RE: The many doctors - Recovery Histories

August 18, 2010

unfortunately though the only two classical homeopaths getting results with our

children are Pierre Fontaine and the Ullmans in Washington (ritalin free kids).

The skill lies in the homeopath having success with autism, and not just

prescribing remedies to mask the symptoms (we use One constitutional remedy) and

the skill in case taking to find the correct silimium. That is where Pierres

talent truly is, in finding the correct constitutional remedy.

it was interesting as I was telling another MD about our experience the other

day and two sentences later he was trying to sell me on hbot, see I don't think

he got it, we are going no further at this point and most likely will never have

to.

I gotcha Heidi! It truly is a learning curve, and with so little info. out

there it is even tougher. We are looking to fully write our stories and put

them online for people to access, many times when someone is FULLY recovered or

cured they simply move on with their life and dont share with others. Pierre

has had that happen many times he said. I told him how I understand that the

internet and autism cannot dominate once the condition is lifted, we owe that to

our children and families, however I feel it is my responsibility to a community

that got me through so many dark days to re tell our experience with homeopathy.

much love and healing, xoxo Beth in Brooklyn

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August 18, 2010

I just have to advise against Pierre Fountaine, had a very bad experience with

him, I feel it was waste of money and now I am trying to save and find another

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August 18, 2010

What problems did you have with him? Has anyone else has issues with him. I was

going to start with Pierre Fontaine in September. How much does he cost?

Thanks,

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August 18, 2010

Iâ€™m sorry to hear this, did you ever follow up with him?Â The

people I have been in contact with have all had positive experiences, so Iâ€™m a

bit surprised to hear this.

http://www.recoveringnicholas.com

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I just have to advise against Pierre Fountaine,

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August 18, 2010

Hi there! I am sorry to hear that. What happened? Pierre was fabulous for our

family, especially with pinpointing the remedy, answering emails and returning

phone calls even from Europe while on vacation, all for free. The dosing he

left up to us, and at first was a bit tough to figure out when to dose, but

became clear quickly. There were times we have waited a week to dose and other

times every other day.

Did you follow up with him? Before you change I would encourage you to contact

him. Was the remedy not the correct one?

much love and healing to you, xoxo Beth in Brooklyn

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August 18, 2010

Thanks so much the social piece is HUGE for my son, I did read the Amy Lansky book last year and I found her story amazing. Thank you, Alison Re: The many doctors - Recovery Histories absolutely you can do both until you are ready to make a smooth transition! for us when it was time to remove supplements I did it in incriments (spelling, lol!) the same way I had added them initially. Our first supplements to go were antifungals (rx) at about 6 weeks in. The two major issues that were resolved were mito dysfunction and social emotional skills. The same way a body is shocked if too many things are added at once, the same holds true for removal. We are down to basics, a multi, fish oil, 1 capsule of c, and thats it (probiotics once in awhile). We have been able to add back all formerly intolerant fruits and vegtables (phenols, etc..). I saw on another thread I believe someone post that homeopathy will work only if biomed is done first, that is simply not true, it uses a different mechanism for healing. It strengthens the vital force and promotes the body to heal itself. I have never done any biomedical intervention on myself, and I feel better than I ever have. My son no longer shows any signs of autism or adhd (inattentive), met all goals for st, pt and ot within the six month time frame. Not everyone may respond as quickly but most of the people I have met are showing gains. the best book to read is impossible cure by amy lansky. Her son from what I understand is still autism free, living a typical life and headed to college away from home right now. much love, and healing, Beth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am getting crazy with all the different opinions... There is any> one in this group beside the Dr. G's patients that recovery his/her child with> biomedical treatment?> > > > > I need to hear good experience in order to keep going with chelation,> HBOT, B12, supplements, etc.> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is not included]> > > >>

August 18, 2010

I did follow up with him. The first remedy wasn't correct I went to his office 2

times afterwards once alone and with once my son and after he said that he'll

call me in few days to give me the remedy he didn't get back to me. I emailed

him few times, he just said to dig deeper, although he said already he has

everything and then he stopped emailing me. I told him that I gave him all the

info.

If he didn't know what to do with my son he should have told me so. I paid a lot

of money for this and for my son to be his patient and not for Pierre to rip us

of. This made my husband not believe in homeopathy and now I have to start from

scratch.

Overall I was and still am extremely disappointed and feel cheated.

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August 18, 2010

wow! that sucks. and not our experience at all. I do know the Ullmans in

Washington (ritalin free kids) have helped some asd children as well, although

their recovery rates are not as high. That may be a point for you to look into.

blessings to you on your journey, xoxo B

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August 18, 2010

I have an appointment with Pierre in couple of months. I'm leery too about

homeopathy. I have spent so much money on homeopathy from Houston to Canada with

no results.I'm wondering if other kids seem to have mild autism or high

functioning . I did email him once and I didn't get an email back . I called him

and he said he just emailed me and I still have not gotten the email. Its

interesting that various families get different experiences from doctors . I've

had seen this with DAN too. So I am in limbo about this homeopathy for now. I

feel like saying " you show me the recovery " and " I'll show you the money. "

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August 18, 2010

"Recovered" seems to mean different things to different people. Some call recovered loss of ASD diagnosis but the child continues on the diet,supplements,all that.I hear others say recovered is they are in typical classroom setting functioning like their peers.Even says her son is recovered but she continues to do HBOT,lots of things. I think recovered is free from all of this,diet,endless supplements,therapy,and NO signs of ASD at all. Is that possible? I am so confused by what "recovered" means. Is it possible to be free from all of this one day-No med,No diet or therapies? Thats the kind of recovery i want,with 4 kids,thats the kind of recovery I desperately need for my son. Melinda

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 1:00:48 PMSubject: Re: The many doctors - Recovery Histories

unfortunately though the only two classical homeopaths getting results with our children are Pierre Fontaine and the Ullmans in Washington (ritalin free kids). The skill lies in the homeopath having success with autism, and not just prescribing remedies to mask the symptoms (we use One constitutional remedy) and the skill in case taking to find the correct silimium. That is where Pierres talent truly is, in finding the correct constitutional remedy. it was interesting as I was telling another MD about our experience the other day and two sentences later he was trying to sell me on hbot, see I don't think he got it, we are going no further at this point and most likely will never have to. I gotcha Heidi! It truly is a learning curve, and with so little info. out there it is even tougher. We are looking to fully write our stories and put them online for people to access, many times when someone is FULLY recovered or cured

they simply move on with their life and dont share with others. Pierre has had that happen many times he said. I told him how I understand that the internet and autism cannot dominate once the condition is lifted, we owe that to our children and families, however I feel it is my responsibility to a community that got me through so many dark days to re tell our experience with homeopathy. much love and healing, xoxo Beth in Brooklyn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am getting crazy with all the different opinions... There is any> > one in this group beside the Dr. G's patients that recovery his/her child with> > biomedical treatment?> > > > > > > > I need to hear good experience in order to keep going with

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August 18, 2010

I have read about only 3 recoveries that are diet and supplement-free that were

recovered at 5 or over. Since some kids can grow out of symptoms, it is

difficult to tell if the person really needed to be recovered if they were under

4. I know most would not have grown out of symptoms, but decades ago, children

did, so it's always a wonder unless you get a lot of details. On this Internet,

we just hear a line or two, so we really don't know the details. When I say

thousands have been recovered, I mean they are in regular school, not dependent

upon psych meds. But, they are dependent upon something. I see lots of

relapses even after people were off of all diet and meds for even two years.

So, the pathogens can always regrow. It's not just an injury, it's a pathogen

thing, and their immune system can fail at any time.

Older people get MS, or some other diagnosis, but it's really the same causes

many say. So, those who have never been sick, do fall into chronic symptoms at

any age as well. I have seen video on this Internet of people sharing their

story of recovery from tickborne infections. Many report that they lost speech

and ability to communicate effectively, even lost motor skills, etc. They don't

diagnose it as autism if you get ill as an adult, but they do have similar

symptoms. I have talked to practitioners recovering kids from autism, and they

tell me great success stories of hundreds or 80%, but they say that almost all

still need diet and/or supplements to maintain it. To be honest, when I

started, I would have settled for regular school, which I got. But, now that I

got that, I want more. I continue to see healing, but the future is unknown.

Since I didn't start treatments on one of mine till he was 14, I am still in

shock that he is even recovered. All that stress and pain we went through, all

the specialists who didn't help him. It just didn't seem possible. In reality,

seeing a child lose their disabling symptoms is like watching a miracle, and I

keep having to remind myself it's real because it's so darn unbeleivable. I

hope your child meets your goal for him, and you get to share with everyone how

you did it.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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August 19, 2010

Hi,

We are starting homeopathy with Dr. Luc de Scheppers foremost predecessor, Dr.

Farah Gron.

They are classical homeopaths and Dr. Luc's books are considered authority in

the field. Their way of dosing homeopathic remedies are particularly effective

and they have treated the autistic population successfully. A book by Dr. Luc is

said to be coming out later this year on Autism and Homeopathy. From all the

reading I have been doing, I am certain that Dr. Farah will bring my son the

closest to a cure-- and we have tried everything from IVIG, DAN, chelation, b12

shots, hbot, lamictal, valtrex-- you name it, we've done it. Unlike, Dr. Luc,

Many homeopaths don't use the 6th edition of the Organon-- and it is believed

that the methodology used in the 6th edition is much more effective.

Please check:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_De_Schepper

and

http://www.drluc.com/practice.htm

I am looking to connect with other Dr. Luc or Dr. Gron's patients. If you are

out there, drop me an email, I'd love to know how it is going!

If anyone wants to check with me in about 3-4 months, I'd have a better idea how

we are doing. As I said, I personally believe, we are finally on the right path.

Ranjani

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August 19, 2010

MelindaIn my view recovery is not cured. I use the term "in recovery" to imply he is working at appropriate age and is developing academically and socially at age. If I can keep this up he willl develop normally and although the underlying root cause is still unknown with the meds and diet in place I am allowing this child to become a functioning and positive member of this world. When they doFrom: Melinda McCauley

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 11:50:04 PMSubject: Re: Re: The many doctors - Recovery Histories "Recovered" seems to mean different things to different people. Some call recovered loss of ASD diagnosis but the child continues on the diet,supplements,all that.I hear others say recovered is they are in typical classroom setting functioning like their peers.Even says her son is recovered but she

continues to do HBOT,lots of things. I think recovered is free from all of this,diet,endless supplements,therapy,and NO signs of ASD at all. Is that possible? I am so confused by what "recovered" means. Is it possible to be free from all of this one day-No med,No diet or therapies? Thats the kind of recovery i want,with 4 kids,thats the kind of recovery I desperately need for my son. Melinda To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 1:00:48 PMSubject: Re: The many doctors - Recovery Histories unfortunately though the only two classical homeopaths getting results with our children are Pierre Fontaine and the Ullmans in Washington (ritalin free kids). The skill lies in the homeopath having success with autism, and not just prescribing remedies to mask the symptoms (we use One constitutional remedy) and the skill in case taking to find the correct silimium. That is where Pierres talent truly is, in finding the correct constitutional remedy. it was interesting as I was telling another MD about our experience the other day and two sentences later he was trying to sell me on hbot, see I don't think he got it, we are going no further at this point and most likely will never have to. I gotcha Heidi! It truly is a learning curve, and with so little info. out there it is even

tougher. We are looking to fully write our stories and put them online for people to access, many times when someone is FULLY recovered or cured they simply move on with their life and dont share with others. Pierre has had that happen many times he said. I told him how I understand that the internet and autism cannot dominate once the condition is lifted, we owe that to our children and families, however I feel it is my responsibility to a community that got me through so many dark days to re tell our experience with homeopathy. much love and healing, xoxo Beth in Brooklyn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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August 19, 2010

It certainly is possible.Â My son is almost 6.Â NO diet, no

supplements, no therapy, nothing â€“ and no autism.

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mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf

Of Melinda McCauley

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:50 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: The many doctors - Recovery Histories

" Recovered " seems to mean different things to

different people. Some call recovered loss of ASD diagnosis but the child

continues on the diet,supplements,all that.I hear others say recovered is they

are in typical classroom setting functioning like their peers.Even

says her son is recovered but she continues to do HBOT,lots of things. I

think recovered is free from all of this,diet,endless supplements,therapy,and

NO signs of ASD at all. Is that possible? I am so confused by what

" recovered " means. Is it possible to be free from all of this one

day-No med,No diet or therapies? Thats the kind of recovery i want,with 4

kids,thats the kind of recovery I desperately need for my son. Melinda

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To: mb12 valtrex

Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 1:00:48 PM

Subject: Re: The many doctors - Recovery Histories

unfortunately though the only two classical homeopaths getting results with our

children are Pierre Fontaine and the Ullmans in Washington (ritalin free kids).

The skill lies in the homeopath having success with autism, and not just

prescribing remedies to mask the symptoms (we use One constitutional remedy)

and the skill in case taking to find the correct silimium. That is where

Pierres talent truly is, in finding the correct constitutional remedy.

it was interesting as I was telling another MD about our experience the other

day and two sentences later he was trying to sell me on hbot, see I don't think

he got it, we are going no further at this point and most likely will never

have to.

I gotcha Heidi! It truly is a learning curve, and with so little info. out

there it is even tougher. We are looking to fully write our stories and put

them online for people to access, many times when someone is FULLY recovered or

cured they simply move on with their life and dont share with others. Pierre

has had that happen many times he said. I told him how I understand that the

internet and autism cannot dominate once the condition is lifted, we owe that

to our children and families, however I feel it is my responsibility to a

community that got me through so many dark days to re tell our experience with

homeopathy.

much love and healing, xoxo Beth in Brooklyn

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MelindaIn my view recovery is not cured. I use the term "in recovery" to imply he is working at appropriate age level and is developing academically and socially. If I can keep this up he will develop normally and although the underlying root cause is still unknown with the meds and diet in place I am allowing this child to become a functioning and positive member of this world. When they do resolve this mystery he will only need the remedy and not a decade of developmental therapy. Then he will be cured but until then I will be ecstatic with in recovery.BillTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 11:50:04 PMSubject: Re: Re: The many doctors - Recovery Histories "Recovered" seems to mean different things to different people. Some call recovered loss of ASD diagnosis but the child continues on the diet,supplements,all that.I

hear others say recovered is they are in typical classroom setting functioning like their peers.Even says her son is recovered but she continues to do HBOT,lots of things. I think recovered is free from all of this,diet,endless supplements,therapy,and NO signs of ASD at all. Is that possible? I am so confused by what "recovered" means. Is it possible to be free from all of this one day-No med,No diet or therapies? Thats the kind of recovery i want,with 4 kids,thats the kind of recovery I desperately need for my son. Melinda To:

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point and most likely will never have to. I gotcha Heidi! It truly is a learning curve, and with so little info. out there it is even tougher. We are looking to fully write our stories and put them online for people to access, many times when someone is FULLY recovered or cured they simply move on with their life and dont share with others. Pierre has had that happen many times he said. I told him how I understand that the internet and autism cannot dominate once the condition is lifted, we owe that to our children and families, however I feel it is my responsibility to a community that got me through so many dark days to re tell our experience with homeopathy. much love and healing, xoxo Beth in Brooklyn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am getting crazy with all the different opinions... There is any> > one in this group beside the Dr. G's patients that recovery his/her child with> > biomedical treatment?> > > > > > > > I need to hear good experience in order to keep going with chelation,> > HBOT, B12, supplements, etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is not included]> > > > > > >> >>

August 19, 2010

I think the best, most realistic approach to take it to know that recovery is a real possibility but just like any other chronic condition it will have to be monitored and there will be times throughout life when extra care will have to be given and of course, a healthy lifestyle style that includes excercise and healthful eating and sleeping habits. During times of low immunity and high stree, supplementation and dietary intervention may be required until the system is able to stablize itself. I think that's something we could definitely live with!!!!To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 9:04:55 AMSubject: RE: Re: The many doctors - Recovery Histories

It certainly is possible. My son is almost 6. NO diet, no

supplements, no therapy, nothing â€“ and no autism.

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mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf

Of Melinda McCauley

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:50 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: The many doctors - Recovery Histories

"Recovered" seems to mean different things to

different people. Some call recovered loss of ASD diagnosis but the child

continues on the diet,supplements,all that.I hear others say recovered is they

are in typical classroom setting functioning like their peers.Even

says her son is recovered but she continues to do HBOT,lots of things. I

think recovered is free from all of this,diet,endless supplements,therapy,and

NO signs of ASD at all. Is that possible? I am so confused by what

"recovered" means. Is it possible to be free from all of this one