Re: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system-Heidi herbs to improve NK cells

[Guest guest]

Heidi, what are the herbs that help with NK cells? my son has low NK cells and I

would love to help him...

thanks!

Fernanda

>

> Subject: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:22 PM

>   This is true. See how he says

> that antivirals and antibacterials were

> used to normalize the immune system. And see how he talks

> about too low

> TH1 and too low NK cells. This is what the pervasive

> thought is among

> the successful docs. With too low NK cells, you have too

> many

> opportunistic infections which is what we see in autism.

> Opportunistic

> infections are infections that happen when one has

> compromised immunity.

> Pathogens like Lyme are known to directly lower NK cells.

> Vaccines

> reportedly tilt the immune system from Th1 to Th2. There

> are many

> pathogens, toxins, medicines that can contribute to this

> dysfunctional

> situation. On the positive side, there are many herbs and

> such that

> increase NK cells and help tilt the immune system from Th2

> to Th1.

> Unfortunately, many of the pathogens don't give up without

> a fight, so

> this is why we often have worsening when implementing

> treatments. The

> connection of autism to chronic fatigue, MS, Lupus, etc. is

> also being

> seen by many, and is thought to be the same immune issues.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

> Allow me to introduce myself, I am Bill Klimas, the father

> of a son that

> was

> classically Autistic and is now a twelve year old on his

> way to

> recovery. We are

> on the NIDS protocol but I did not find it on any list. My

> son Connors

> aunt is

> Dr Klimas, chairman of the immunology department at U

> of Miami

> school of medicine and a highly recognized researcher in

> CSF and related

> immune

> based illnesses. After several years of GF/CF diet and tens

> of thousands of

> dollars spent on behavioral therapy co-payments,

> supplements and such to NO

> progress, she convinced me to work on his immune system and

> we went the

> NIDS

> route. Three years ago on his initial work up his ASO were

> 450+, his

> viral tiers

> were 875+ and so on.

>

> It has been an up and down but what I found most convincing

> that the

> bases of

> Autism is an immune dysfunction happened last summer. We

> had managed to

> slowly

> drive down the HHV6 (to 1/40) and ASO (Normal range)

> numbers using

> antivirals

> and antibiotics and saw amazing results, last June my wife

> started a

> diet that

> allowed fresh pineapple and Connor loved it. within a week

> we saw

> regression to

> the worst he has ever been. We had scheduled blood draws

> the following

> week and

> Connors HHV6 had jumped to 1-240 among other off the scale

> makers. No

> change in

> meds just he introduction of an very strong allergin. It

> was wild but by

> triggering an immune reaction the antivirals were rendered

> useless. It took

> nearly a month t calm his system and him back down and

> nearly two months to

> drive the HHV6 back to 1-80.

>

> During the XMRV debate I found this quote from a noted

> immunologist and

> it just

> makes sense.

>

> " There are two broad aspects to the immune system, TH1 and

> TH2. TH1

> involves

> Natural Killer (NK) cells whose job it is to identify and

> destroy

> viruses. The

> TH2 side of the immune system involves, amongst other

> things, antibodies

> which

> respond to threats. There is evidence in the literature

> that patients with

> ME/CFS are “TH2†biased, i.e. the TH2 aspect of the

> immune system is

> over-activated, causing suppression of the TH1 side and

> high levels of

> inflammatory cytokines; patients have lower Natural Killer

> (NK) cell

> immunity.

> This bias may mean that opportunistic viruses and bacterial

> infections

> can no

> longer be kept at bay effectively by the TH1 side of the

> system.

>

> RNase L conducts a function of holding the virus at bay

> until NK cells are

> available to eradicate the pathogen, however even the RNase

> L’s

> ability to

> perform this function can be compromised over time if TH2

> dominates for too

> long. RNase L dysfunction was also reported in the prostate

> cancer cases of

> XMRV, although later research has not found a genetic link.

> In ME/CFS, any

> suspected Rnase L deficiency many simply be due to chronic

> TH2

> dominance. If TH2

> dominates for too long, it can be hypothesised that viruses

> such as HHV-6,

> Epstein Barr Virus (EBV), CMV and Parvovirus B19 can

> flourish, as well as

> bacterial infections such as mycoplasma and chlamydia

> pneumonia.

>

> It has been established that the majority of

> neurodegenerative disease,

> fatiguing illnesses and neurobehavioral disease patients

> have chronic

> bacterial

> and viral infections. (3). In fact the WPI research claimed

> to have

> found higher

> levels of XMRA in “atypical†MS and Autism. "

>

> I am not a medical doctor but Connor was always low iron

> low potassium

> and so

> on. As his immune system normalized all of these returned

> to normal

> including

> B12.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Transfer factors help with NK cells. Also the prescription meds that help are Imunovir and Low Dose Naltrexone. (We use 4 Life Transfer factor Plus)

> > Subject: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now

immune system> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:22 PM> This is true. See how he says> that antivirals and antibacterials were > used to normalize the immune system. And see how he talks> about too low > TH1 and too low NK cells. This is what the pervasive> thought is among > the successful docs. With too low NK cells, you have too> many > opportunistic infections which is what we see in autism.> Opportunistic > infections are infections that happen when one has> compromised immunity. > Pathogens like Lyme are known to directly lower NK cells.> Vaccines > reportedly tilt the immune system from Th1 to Th2. There> are many >

pathogens, toxins, medicines that can contribute to this> dysfunctional > situation. On the positive side, there are many herbs and> such that > increase NK cells and help tilt the immune system from Th2> to Th1. > Unfortunately, many of the pathogens don't give up without> a fight, so > this is why we often have worsening when implementing> treatments. The > connection of autism to chronic fatigue, MS, Lupus, etc. is> also being > seen by many, and is thought to be the same immune issues.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > Allow me to introduce myself, I am Bill Klimas, the father> of a son that > was> classically Autistic and is now a twelve year old on his> way to > recovery. We are> on the NIDS protocol but I did not find it on any list. My> son Connors > aunt

is> Dr Klimas, chairman of the immunology department at U> of Miami > school of medicine and a highly recognized researcher in> CSF and related > immune> based illnesses. After several years of GF/CF diet and tens> of thousands of> dollars spent on behavioral therapy co-payments,> supplements and such to NO> progress, she convinced me to work on his immune system and> we went the > NIDS> route. Three years ago on his initial work up his ASO were> 450+, his > viral tiers> were 875+ and so on.> > It has been an up and down but what I found most convincing> that the > bases of> Autism is an immune dysfunction happened last summer. We> had managed to > slowly> drive down the HHV6 (to 1/40) and ASO (Normal range)> numbers using > antivirals> and antibiotics and

saw amazing results, last June my wife> started a > diet that> allowed fresh pineapple and Connor loved it. within a week> we saw > regression to> the worst he has ever been. We had scheduled blood draws> the following > week and> Connors HHV6 had jumped to 1-240 among other off the scale> makers. No > change in> meds just he introduction of an very strong allergin. It> was wild but by> triggering an immune reaction the antivirals were rendered> useless. It took> nearly a month t calm his system and him back down and> nearly two months to> drive the HHV6 back to 1-80.> > During the XMRV debate I found this quote from a noted> immunologist and > it just> makes sense.> > "There are two broad aspects to the immune system, TH1 and> TH2. TH1 > involves> Natural

Killer (NK) cells whose job it is to identify and> destroy > viruses. The> TH2 side of the immune system involves, amongst other> things, antibodies > which> respond to threats. There is evidence in the literature> that patients with> ME/CFS are “TH2†biased, i.e. the TH2 aspect of the> immune system is> over-activated, causing suppression of the TH1 side and> high levels of> inflammatory cytokines; patients have lower Natural Killer> (NK) cell > immunity.> This bias may mean that opportunistic viruses and bacterial> infections > can no> longer be kept at bay effectively by the TH1 side of the> system.> > RNase L conducts a function of holding the virus at bay> until NK cells are> available to eradicate the pathogen, however even the RNase> L’s > ability to> perform

this function can be compromised over time if TH2> dominates for too> long. RNase L dysfunction was also reported in the prostate> cancer cases of> XMRV, although later research has not found a genetic link.> In ME/CFS, any> suspected Rnase L deficiency many simply be due to chronic> TH2 > dominance. If TH2> dominates for too long, it can be hypothesised that viruses> such as HHV-6,> Epstein Barr Virus (EBV), CMV and Parvovirus B19 can> flourish, as well as> bacterial infections such as mycoplasma and chlamydia> pneumonia.> > It has been established that the majority of> neurodegenerative disease,> fatiguing illnesses and neurobehavioral disease patients> have chronic > bacterial> and viral infections. (3). In fact the WPI research claimed> to have > found higher> levels of XMRA in

“atypical†MS and Autism. "> > I am not a medical doctor but Connor was always low iron> low potassium > and so> on. As his immune system normalized all of these returned> to normal > including> B12.> > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

I don't remember but I followed dr mcc recommendationSent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceSender: mb12 valtrex Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:47:17 -0700To: <mb12 valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system-Heidi herbs to improve NK cells LDN tends to be a disaster when you are on too high a dose. What was your dose?Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:00 PM, fermius@... wrote: We have tried LDN and it was a disaster! The same happened with other immune modulators...Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceSender: mb12 valtrex Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT)To: <mb12 valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system-Heidi herbs to improve NK cells Transfer factors help with NK cells. Also the prescription meds that help are Imunovir and Low Dose Naltrexone. (We use 4 Life Transfer factor Plus) > > Subject: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Nowimmune system> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:22 PM> This is true. See how he says> that antivirals and antibacterials were > used to normalize the immune system. And see how he talks> about too low > TH1 and too low NK cells. This is what the pervasive> thought is among > the successful docs. With too low NK cells, you have too> many > opportunistic infections which is what we see in autism.> Opportunistic > infections are infections that happen when one has> compromised immunity. > Pathogens like Lyme are known to directly lower NK cells.> Vaccines > reportedly tilt the immune system from Th1 to Th2. There> are many >pathogens, toxins, medicines that can contribute to this> dysfunctional > situation. On the positive side, there are many herbs and> such that > increase NK cells and help tilt the immune system from Th2> to Th1. > Unfortunately, many of the pathogens don't give up without> a fight, so > this is why we often have worsening when implementing> treatments. The > connection of autism to chronic fatigue, MS, Lupus, etc. is> also being > seen by many, and is thought to be the same immune issues.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > Allow me to introduce myself, I am Bill Klimas, the father> of a son that > was> classically Autistic and is now a twelve year old on his> way to > recovery. We are> on the NIDS protocol but I did not find it on any list. My> son Connors > auntis> Dr Klimas, chairman of the immunology department at U> of Miami > school of medicine and a highly recognized researcher in> CSF and related > immune> based illnesses. After several years of GF/CF diet and tens> of thousands of> dollars spent on behavioral therapy co-payments,> supplements and such to NO> progress, she convinced me to work on his immune system and> we went the > NIDS> route. Three years ago on his initial work up his ASO were> 450+, his > viral tiers> were 875+ and so on.> > It has been an up and down but what I found most convincing> that the > bases of> Autism is an immune dysfunction happened last summer. We> had managed to > slowly> drive down the HHV6 (to 1/40) and ASO (Normal range)> numbers using > antivirals> and antibiotics andsaw amazing results, last June my wife> started a > diet that> allowed fresh pineapple and Connor loved it. within a week> we saw > regression to> the worst he has ever been. We had scheduled blood draws> the following > week and> Connors HHV6 had jumped to 1-240 among other off the scale> makers. No > change in> meds just he introduction of an very strong allergin. It> was wild but by> triggering an immune reaction the antivirals were rendered> useless. It took> nearly a month t calm his system and him back down and> nearly two months to> drive the HHV6 back to 1-80.> > During the XMRV debate I found this quote from a noted> immunologist and > it just> makes sense.> > "There are two broad aspects to the immune system, TH1 and> TH2. TH1 > involves> NaturalKiller (NK) cells whose job it is to identify and> destroy > viruses. The> TH2 side of the immune system involves, amongst other> things, antibodies > which> respond to threats. There is evidence in the literature> that patients with> ME/CFS are “TH2” biased, i.e. the TH2 aspect of the> immune system is> over-activated, causing suppression of the TH1 side and> high levels of> inflammatory cytokines; patients have lower Natural Killer> (NK) cell > immunity.> This bias may mean that opportunistic viruses and bacterial> infections > can no> longer be kept at bay effectively by the TH1 side of the> system.> > RNase L conducts a function of holding the virus at bay> until NK cells are> available to eradicate the pathogen, however even the RNase> L’s > ability to> performthis function can be compromised over time if TH2> dominates for too> long. RNase L dysfunction was also reported in the prostate> cancer cases of> XMRV, although later research has not found a genetic link.> In ME/CFS, any> suspected Rnase L deficiency many simply be due to chronic> TH2 > dominance. If TH2> dominates for too long, it can be hypothesised that viruses> such as HHV-6,> Epstein Barr Virus (EBV), CMV and Parvovirus B19 can> flourish, as well as> bacterial infections such as mycoplasma and chlamydia> pneumonia.> > It has been established that the majority of> neurodegenerative disease,> fatiguing illnesses and neurobehavioral disease patients> have chronic > bacterial> and viral infections. (3). In fact the WPI research claimed> to have > found higher> levels of XMRA in“atypical” MS and Autism. "> > I am not a medical doctor but Connor was always low iron> low potassium > and so> on. As his immune system normalized all of these returned> to normal > including> B12.> > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

LDN tends to be a disaster when you are on too high a dose. What was your dose?

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

We have tried LDN and it was a disaster! The same happened with other immune modulators...Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Sender: mb12 valtrex

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT)To: <mb12 valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system-Heidi herbs to improve NK cells

Transfer factors help with NK cells. Also the prescription meds that help are Imunovir and Low Dose Naltrexone. (We use 4 Life Transfer factor Plus)

> > Subject: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now

immune system> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:22 PM> This is true. See how he says> that antivirals and antibacterials were > used to normalize the immune system. And see how he talks> about too low > TH1 and too low NK cells. This is what the pervasive> thought is among > the successful docs. With too low NK cells, you have too> many > opportunistic infections which is what we see in autism.> Opportunistic > infections are infections that happen when one has> compromised immunity. > Pathogens like Lyme are known to directly lower NK cells.> Vaccines > reportedly tilt the immune system from Th1 to Th2. There> are many >

pathogens, toxins, medicines that can contribute to this> dysfunctional > situation. On the positive side, there are many herbs and> such that > increase NK cells and help tilt the immune system from Th2> to Th1. > Unfortunately, many of the pathogens don't give up without> a fight, so > this is why we often have worsening when implementing> treatments. The > connection of autism to chronic fatigue, MS, Lupus, etc. is> also being > seen by many, and is thought to be the same immune issues.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > Allow me to introduce myself, I am Bill Klimas, the father> of a son that > was> classically Autistic and is now a twelve year old on his> way to > recovery. We are> on the NIDS protocol but I did not find it on any list. My> son Connors > aunt

is> Dr Klimas, chairman of the immunology department at U> of Miami > school of medicine and a highly recognized researcher in> CSF and related > immune> based illnesses. After several years of GF/CF diet and tens> of thousands of> dollars spent on behavioral therapy co-payments,> supplements and such to NO> progress, she convinced me to work on his immune system and> we went the > NIDS> route. Three years ago on his initial work up his ASO were> 450+, his > viral tiers> were 875+ and so on.> > It has been an up and down but what I found most convincing> that the > bases of> Autism is an immune dysfunction happened last summer. We> had managed to > slowly> drive down the HHV6 (to 1/40) and ASO (Normal range)> numbers using > antivirals> and antibiotics and

saw amazing results, last June my wife> started a > diet that> allowed fresh pineapple and Connor loved it. within a week> we saw > regression to> the worst he has ever been. We had scheduled blood draws> the following > week and> Connors HHV6 had jumped to 1-240 among other off the scale> makers. No > change in> meds just he introduction of an very strong allergin. It> was wild but by> triggering an immune reaction the antivirals were rendered> useless. It took> nearly a month t calm his system and him back down and> nearly two months to> drive the HHV6 back to 1-80.> > During the XMRV debate I found this quote from a noted> immunologist and > it just> makes sense.> > "There are two broad aspects to the immune system, TH1 and> TH2. TH1 > involves> Natural

Killer (NK) cells whose job it is to identify and> destroy > viruses. The> TH2 side of the immune system involves, amongst other> things, antibodies > which> respond to threats. There is evidence in the literature> that patients with> ME/CFS are “TH2” biased, i.e. the TH2 aspect of the> immune system is> over-activated, causing suppression of the TH1 side and> high levels of> inflammatory cytokines; patients have lower Natural Killer> (NK) cell > immunity.> This bias may mean that opportunistic viruses and bacterial> infections > can no> longer be kept at bay effectively by the TH1 side of the> system.> > RNase L conducts a function of holding the virus at bay> until NK cells are> available to eradicate the pathogen, however even the RNase> L’s > ability to> perform

this function can be compromised over time if TH2> dominates for too> long. RNase L dysfunction was also reported in the prostate> cancer cases of> XMRV, although later research has not found a genetic link.> In ME/CFS, any> suspected Rnase L deficiency many simply be due to chronic> TH2 > dominance. If TH2> dominates for too long, it can be hypothesised that viruses> such as HHV-6,> Epstein Barr Virus (EBV), CMV and Parvovirus B19 can> flourish, as well as> bacterial infections such as mycoplasma and chlamydia> pneumonia.> > It has been established that the majority of> neurodegenerative disease,> fatiguing illnesses and neurobehavioral disease patients> have chronic > bacterial> and viral infections. (3). In fact the WPI research claimed> to have > found higher> levels of XMRA in

“atypical” MS and Autism. "> > I am not a medical doctor but Connor was always low iron> low potassium > and so> on. As his immune system normalized all of these returned> to normal > including> B12.> > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

We are on LDN and it has made a difference. I tried going off and my guy on the immune suppressors went nuts! His eczema came back immediately. We are on 0.5 ml ldn. I am going to take my youngest off the immune suppressors just to see what happens. He has gone through several meds and none have helped so far. So I have him on an allergy free diet and ldn. Also going to try Lda shots to see if that helps with the allergies. Maybe that will help with the immune system. I hope. I know that's key to getting them healthy again. They did sp good on valtrex but it doesn't seem to be helping I think b/c of the immune suppressant. We will see! Rhonda Masengale

LDN tends to be a disaster when you are on too high a dose. What was your dose?

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

We have tried LDN and it was a disaster! The same happened with other immune modulators...Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Sender: mb12 valtrex

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT)To: <mb12 valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system-Heidi herbs to improve NK cells

Transfer factors help with NK cells. Also the prescription meds that help are Imunovir and Low Dose Naltrexone. (We use 4 Life Transfer factor Plus)

> > Subject: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now

immune system> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:22 PM> This is true. See how he says> that antivirals and antibacterials were > used to normalize the immune system. And see how he talks> about too low > TH1 and too low NK cells. This is what the pervasive> thought is among > the successful docs. With too low NK cells, you have too> many > opportunistic infections which is what we see in autism.> Opportunistic > infections are infections that happen when one has> compromised immunity. > Pathogens like Lyme are known to directly lower NK cells.> Vaccines > reportedly tilt the immune

system from Th1 to Th2. There> are many >

pathogens, toxins, medicines that can contribute to this> dysfunctional > situation. On the positive side, there are many herbs and> such that > increase NK cells and help tilt the immune system from Th2> to Th1. > Unfortunately, many of the pathogens don't give up without> a fight, so > this is why we often have worsening when implementing> treatments. The > connection of autism to chronic fatigue, MS, Lupus, etc. is> also being > seen by many, and is thought to be the same immune issues.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > Allow me to introduce myself, I am Bill Klimas, the father> of a son that > was> classically Autistic and is now a twelve year old on his> way to > recovery. We are> on the NIDS protocol but I did not find it on any list. My> son Connors > aunt

is> Dr Klimas, chairman of the immunology department at U> of Miami > school of medicine and a highly recognized researcher in> CSF and related > immune> based illnesses. After several years of GF/CF diet and tens> of thousands of> dollars spent on behavioral therapy co-payments,> supplements and such to NO> progress, she convinced me to work on his immune system and> we went the > NIDS> route. Three years ago on his initial work up his ASO were> 450+, his > viral tiers> were 875+ and so on.> > It has been an up and down but what I found most convincing> that the > bases of> Autism is an immune dysfunction happened last summer. We> had managed to > slowly> drive down the HHV6 (to 1/40) and ASO (Normal range)> numbers using > antivirals> and antibiotics and

saw amazing results, last June my wife> started a > diet that> allowed fresh pineapple and Connor loved it. within a week> we saw > regression to> the worst he has ever been. We had scheduled blood draws> the following > week and> Connors HHV6 had jumped to 1-240 among other off the scale> makers. No > change in> meds just he introduction of an very strong allergin. It> was wild but by> triggering an immune reaction the antivirals were rendered> useless. It took> nearly a month t calm his system and him back down and> nearly two months to> drive the HHV6 back to 1-80.> > During the XMRV debate I found this quote from a noted> immunologist and > it just> makes sense.> > "There are two broad aspects to the immune system, TH1 and> TH2. TH1 > involves> Natural

Killer (NK) cells whose job it is to identify and> destroy > viruses. The> TH2 side of the immune system involves, amongst other> things, antibodies > which> respond to threats. There is evidence in the literature> that patients with> ME/CFS are “TH2†biased, i.e. the TH2 aspect of the> immune system is> over-activated, causing suppression of the TH1 side and> high levels of> inflammatory cytokines; patients have lower Natural Killer> (NK) cell > immunity.> This bias may mean that opportunistic viruses and bacterial> infections > can no> longer be kept at bay effectively by the TH1 side of the> system.> > RNase L conducts a function of holding the virus at bay> until NK cells are> available to eradicate the pathogen, however even the RNase> L’s > ability to> perform

this function can be compromised over time if TH2> dominates for too> long. RNase L dysfunction was also reported in the prostate> cancer cases of> XMRV, although later research has not found a genetic link.> In ME/CFS, any> suspected Rnase L deficiency many simply be due to chronic> TH2 > dominance. If TH2> dominates for too long, it can be hypothesised that viruses> such as HHV-6,> Epstein Barr Virus (EBV), CMV and Parvovirus B19 can> flourish, as well as> bacterial infections such as mycoplasma and chlamydia> pneumonia.> > It has been established that the majority of> neurodegenerative disease,> fatiguing illnesses and neurobehavioral disease patients> have chronic > bacterial> and viral infections. (3). In fact the WPI research claimed> to have > found higher> levels of XMRA in

“atypical†MS and Autism. "> > I am not a medical doctor but Connor was always low iron> low potassium > and so> on. As his immune system normalized all of these returned> to normal > including> B12.> > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

LDN did not work for my son but we are having success w/ Imunovir.

> > Subject: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:22 PM> This is true. See how he says> that antivirals and antibacterials were > used to normalize the immune system. And see how he talks> about too low > TH1 and too low NK cells. This is what the pervasive> thought is among > the successful docs. With too low NK cells, you have too> many > opportunistic infections which is what we see in autism.> Opportunistic > infections are infections that happen when one has> compromised immunity. > Pathogens like Lyme are known to directly lower NK cells.> Vaccines > reportedly tilt the immune system from Th1 to Th2. There> are many > pathogens, toxins, medicines that can contribute to this> dysfunctional > situation. On the positive side, there are many herbs and> such that

> increase NK cells and help tilt the immune system from Th2> to Th1. > Unfortunately, many of the pathogens don't give up without> a fight, so > this is why we often have worsening when implementing> treatments. The > connection of autism to chronic fatigue, MS, Lupus, etc. is> also being > seen by many, and is thought to be the same immune issues.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > Allow me to introduce myself, I am Bill Klimas, the father> of a son that > was> classically Autistic and is now a twelve year old on his> way to > recovery. We are> on the NIDS protocol but I did not find it on any list. My> son Connors > aunt is> Dr Klimas, chairman of the immunology department at U> of Miami > school of medicine and a highly recognized researcher

in> CSF and related > immune> based illnesses. After several years of GF/CF diet and tens> of thousands of> dollars spent on behavioral therapy co-payments,> supplements and such to NO> progress, she convinced me to work on his immune system and> we went the > NIDS> route. Three years ago on his initial work up his ASO were> 450+, his > viral tiers> were 875+ and so on.> > It has been an up and down but what I found most convincing> that the > bases of> Autism is an immune dysfunction happened last summer. We> had managed to > slowly> drive down the HHV6 (to 1/40) and ASO (Normal range)> numbers using > antivirals> and antibiotics and saw amazing results, last June my wife> started a > diet that> allowed fresh pineapple and Connor loved it. within a week> we

saw > regression to> the worst he has ever been. We had scheduled blood draws> the following > week and> Connors HHV6 had jumped to 1-240 among other off the scale> makers. No > change in> meds just he introduction of an very strong allergin. It> was wild but by> triggering an immune reaction the antivirals were rendered> useless. It took> nearly a month t calm his system and him back down and> nearly two months to> drive the HHV6 back to 1-80.> > During the XMRV debate I found this quote from a noted> immunologist and > it just> makes sense.> > "There are two broad aspects to the immune system, TH1 and> TH2. TH1 > involves> Natural Killer (NK) cells whose job it is to identify and> destroy > viruses. The> TH2 side of the immune system involves, amongst other>

things, antibodies > which> respond to threats. There is evidence in the literature> that patients with> ME/CFS are “TH2†biased, i.e. the TH2 aspect of the> immune system is> over-activated, causing suppression of the TH1 side and> high levels of> inflammatory cytokines; patients have lower Natural Killer> (NK) cell > immunity.> This bias may mean that opportunistic viruses and bacterial> infections > can no> longer be kept at bay effectively by the TH1 side of the> system.> > RNase L conducts a function of holding the virus at bay> until NK cells are> available to eradicate the pathogen, however even the RNase> L’s > ability to> perform this function can be compromised over time if TH2> dominates for too> long. RNase L dysfunction was also reported in the prostate> cancer

cases of> XMRV, although later research has not found a genetic link.> In ME/CFS, any> suspected Rnase L deficiency many simply be due to chronic> TH2 > dominance. If TH2> dominates for too long, it can be hypothesised that viruses> such as HHV-6,> Epstein Barr Virus (EBV), CMV and Parvovirus B19 can> flourish, as well as> bacterial infections such as mycoplasma and chlamydia> pneumonia.> > It has been established that the majority of> neurodegenerative disease,> fatiguing illnesses and neurobehavioral disease patients> have chronic > bacterial> and viral infections. (3). In fact the WPI research claimed> to have > found higher> levels of XMRA in “atypical†MS and Autism. "> > I am not a medical doctor but Connor was always low iron> low potassium > and so> on. As his

immune system normalized all of these returned> to normal > including> B12.> > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

My boys have the autistic enterocolitis. Major diarrhea. My oldest went off 6mp and his stools got better. It's been good so far. My youngest is not so lucky. He still has bad diarrhea, even on an elemental diet and immune suppressors. I just don't know how to help him get better.Rhonda Masengale

Rhonda,

I am just curious, but why were the immune suppressors prescribed? I don't understand.

Thanks!

>

> >

> > Subject: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system

> > To: mb12 valtrex

> > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:22 PM

> > This is true. See how he says

> > that antivirals and antibacterials were

> > used to normalize the immune system. And see how he talks

> > about too low

> > TH1 and too low NK cells. This is what the pervasive

> > thought is among

> > the successful docs. With too low NK cells, you have too

> > many

> > opportunistic infections which is what we see in autism.

> > Opportunistic

> > infections are infections that happen when one has

> > compromised immunity.

> > Pathogens like Lyme are known to directly lower NK cells.

> > Vaccines

> > reportedly tilt the immune system from Th1 to Th2. There

> > are many

> > pathogens, toxins, medicines that can contribute to this

> > dysfunctional

> > situation. On the positive side, there are many herbs and

> > such that

> > increase NK cells and help tilt the immune system from Th2

> > to Th1.

> > Unfortunately, many of the pathogens don't give up without

> > a fight, so

> > this is why we often have worsening when implementing

> > treatments. The

> > connection of autism to chronic fatigue, MS, Lupus, etc. is

> > also being

> > seen by many, and is thought to be the same immune issues.

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

> >

> > Allow me to introduce myself, I am Bill Klimas, the father

> > of a son that

> > was

> > classically Autistic and is now a twelve year old on his

> > way to

> > recovery. We are

> > on the NIDS protocol but I did not find it on any list. My

> > son Connors

> > aunt is

> > Dr Klimas, chairman of the immunology department at U

> > of Miami

> > school of medicine and a highly recognized researcher in

> > CSF and related

> > immune

> > based illnesses. After several years of GF/CF diet and tens

> > of thousands of

> > dollars spent on behavioral therapy co-payments,

> > supplements and such to NO

> > progress, she convinced me to work on his immune system and

> > we went the

> > NIDS

> > route. Three years ago on his initial work up his ASO were

> > 450+, his

> > viral tiers

> > were 875+ and so on.

> >

> > It has been an up and down but what I found most convincing

> > that the

> > bases of

> > Autism is an immune dysfunction happened last summer. We

> > had managed to

> > slowly

> > drive down the HHV6 (to 1/40) and ASO (Normal range)

> > numbers using

> > antivirals

> > and antibiotics and saw amazing results, last June my wife

> > started a

> > diet that

> > allowed fresh pineapple and Connor loved it. within a week

> > we saw

> > regression to

> > the worst he has ever been. We had scheduled blood draws

> > the following

> > week and

> > Connors HHV6 had jumped to 1-240 among other off the scale

> > makers. No

> > change in

> > meds just he introduction of an very strong allergin. It

> > was wild but by

> > triggering an immune reaction the antivirals were rendered

> > useless. It took

> > nearly a month t calm his system and him back down and

> > nearly two months to

> > drive the HHV6 back to 1-80.

> >

> > During the XMRV debate I found this quote from a noted

> > immunologist and

> > it just

> > makes sense.

> >

> > "There are two broad aspects to the immune system, TH1 and

> > TH2. TH1

> > involves

> > Natural Killer (NK) cells whose job it is to identify and

> > destroy

> > viruses. The

> > TH2 side of the immune system involves, amongst other

> > things, antibodies

> > which

> > respond to threats. There is evidence in the literature

> > that patients with

> > ME/CFS are “TH2†biased, i.e. the TH2 aspect of the

> > immune system is

> > over-activated, causing suppression of the TH1 side and

> > high levels of

> > inflammatory cytokines; patients have lower Natural Killer

> > (NK) cell

> > immunity.

> > This bias may mean that opportunistic viruses and bacterial

> > infections

> > can no

> > longer be kept at bay effectively by the TH1 side of the

> > system.

> >

> > RNase L conducts a function of holding the virus at bay

> > until NK cells are

> > available to eradicate the pathogen, however even the RNase

> > L’s

> > ability to

> > perform this function can be compromised over time if TH2

> > dominates for too

> > long. RNase L dysfunction was also reported in the prostate

> > cancer cases of

> > XMRV, although later research has not found a genetic link.

> > In ME/CFS, any

> > suspected Rnase L deficiency many simply be due to chronic

> > TH2

> > dominance. If TH2

> > dominates for too long, it can be hypothesised that viruses

> > such as HHV-6,

> > Epstein Barr Virus (EBV), CMV and Parvovirus B19 can

> > flourish, as well as

> > bacterial infections such as mycoplasma and chlamydia

> > pneumonia.

> >

> > It has been established that the majority of

> > neurodegenerative disease,

> > fatiguing illnesses and neurobehavioral disease patients

> > have chronic

> > bacterial

> > and viral infections. (3). In fact the WPI research claimed

> > to have

> > found higher

> > levels of XMRA in “atypical†MS and Autism. "

> >

> > I am not a medical doctor but Connor was always low iron

> > low potassium

> > and so

> > on. As his immune system normalized all of these returned

> > to normal

> > including

> > B12.

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info . I plan to see if we can increase his dose or add immunovir to the anti-viral regimen. I am doing a diet similar to yours. It is helping wonderfully. I plan to copy and save your post along with Bill's posts! ;)Rhonda Masengale

We've been doing this awhile. My son is recovered. When we first started out we were gfcf only and tried LDN at .5, and it was a disaster...We then took out soy, corn, sugar and went SCD..After reading and learning...I realized that I needed to clean up his diet a bit. ANd he also needed more calories. His diet doesn't really have a name. It has evolved with recovery...But basically he eats:: organic chicken, grass fed beef (which is bio-available iron), organic vegetables (ones that he can tolerate), organic pear or organic apple, and a small organic starch or a small amount of organic gfcf grain that he can tolerate 2x a week. As well as, 3/4 cup of watered down apple cider.

He has two "fruits" a day (and it's either fruit or juice -- so if he picks two pears for the day, one at breakfast, or one at lunch, then his "fruit" is done for the day -- no juice -- just water). In addition he drinks 6 cups of water a day. In our experience, LDN requires a very clean diet for it to be effective (Dr. JM would tell you this, as well...)After making the changes to his diet, I then started .3 of LDN, and at that dose it has been amazing for us. Valtrex is probably my son's #1 best friend. He takes 500mg 3x a day. Valtrex, a form of acyclovir, is 6 times more biologically active....If you are on the fence about the prescription antiviral, I would at least do a trial. Valtrex, etc., is benign (IMHO). It has been a blessing for our son and to our family.HTH, To: "mb12 valtrex " <mb12 valtrex >Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 6:01:17 PMSubject: Re: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system-Heidi herbs to improve NK cells We are on LDN and it has made a difference. I tried going off and my guy on the immune suppressors went nuts! His eczema came back immediately. We are on 0.5 ml ldn. I am going to take my youngest off the immune suppressors just to see what happens. He has gone through several meds and none have helped so far. So I have him on an allergy free diet and ldn. Also going to try Lda shots to see if that helps with the allergies. Maybe that will help with the immune system. I hope. I know that's key to getting them healthy again. They did sp good on valtrex but it doesn't seem to be helping I think b/c of the immune suppressant. We will see! Rhonda MasengaleOn Aug 17, 2010, at 4:47 PM, "Cheryl L."

wrote: LDN tends to be a disaster when you are on too high a dose. What was your dose? Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

We have tried LDN and it was a disaster! The same happened with other immune modulators...Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Sender: mb12 valtrex Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT)To: <mb12 valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system-Heidi

herbs to improve NK cells Transfer factors help with NK cells. Also the prescription meds that help are Imunovir and Low Dose Naltrexone. (We use 4 Life Transfer factor Plus) > > Subject: Re: Jackie::RE:Goldberg - Now immune system> To: mb12 valtrex > Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 12:22 PM> This is true. See how he says> that antivirals and antibacterials were > used to normalize the immune system. And see how he talks> about too low > TH1 and too low NK cells. This is what the

pervasive> thought is among > the successful docs. With too low NK cells, you have too> many > opportunistic infections which is what we see in autism.> Opportunistic > infections are infections that happen when one has> compromised immunity. > Pathogens like Lyme are known to directly lower NK cells.> Vaccines > reportedly tilt the immune system from Th1 to Th2. There> are many > pathogens, toxins, medicines that can contribute to this> dysfunctional > situation. On the positive side, there are many herbs and> such that > increase NK cells and help tilt the immune system from Th2> to Th1. > Unfortunately, many of the pathogens don't give up without> a fight, so > this is why we often have worsening when implementing> treatments. The > connection of autism to chronic fatigue, MS, Lupus, etc. is> also being > seen by many, and is thought to be the same immune issues.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > Allow me to introduce myself, I am Bill Klimas, the father> of a son that > was> classically Autistic and is now a twelve year old on his> way to > recovery. We are> on the NIDS protocol but I did not

find it on any list. My> son Connors > aunt is> Dr Klimas, chairman of the immunology department at U> of Miami > school of medicine and a highly recognized researcher in> CSF and related > immune> based illnesses. After several years of GF/CF diet and tens> of thousands of> dollars spent on behavioral therapy co-payments,> supplements and such to NO> progress, she convinced me to work on his immune system and> we went the > NIDS> route. Three years ago on his initial work up his ASO were> 450+, his > viral tiers> were 875+ and so on.> > It has been an up and down but what I found most convincing> that the > bases of> Autism is an immune dysfunction happened last summer. We> had managed to > slowly> drive down the HHV6 (to 1/40) and ASO (Normal range)>

numbers using > antivirals> and antibiotics and saw amazing results, last June my wife> started a > diet that> allowed fresh pineapple and Connor loved it. within a week> we saw > regression to> the worst he has ever been. We had scheduled blood draws> the following > week and> Connors HHV6 had jumped to 1-240 among other off the scale> makers. No > change in> meds just he introduction of an very strong allergin. It> was wild but by> triggering an immune reaction the antivirals were rendered> useless. It took> nearly a month t calm his system and him back down and> nearly two months to> drive the HHV6 back to 1-80.> > During the XMRV debate I found this quote from a noted> immunologist and > it just> makes sense.> > "There are two broad aspects to the immune system,

TH1 and> TH2. TH1 > involves> Natural Killer (NK) cells whose job it is to identify and> destroy > viruses. The> TH2 side of the immune system involves, amongst other> things, antibodies > which> respond to threats. There is evidence in the literature> that patients with> ME/CFS are “TH2†biased, i.e. the TH2 aspect of the> immune system is> over-activated, causing suppression of the TH1 side and> high levels of> inflammatory cytokines; patients have lower Natural Killer> (NK) cell > immunity.> This bias may mean that opportunistic viruses and bacterial> infections > can no> longer be kept at bay effectively by the TH1 side of the> system.> > RNase L conducts a function of holding the virus at bay> until NK cells are> available to eradicate the pathogen, however even

the RNase> L’s > ability to> perform this function can be compromised over time if TH2> dominates for too> long. RNase L dysfunction was also reported in the prostate> cancer cases of> XMRV, although later research has not found a genetic link.> In ME/CFS, any> suspected Rnase L deficiency many simply be due to chronic> TH2 > dominance. If TH2> dominates for too long, it can be hypothesised that viruses> such as HHV-6,> Epstein Barr Virus (EBV), CMV and Parvovirus B19 can> flourish, as well as> bacterial infections such as mycoplasma and chlamydia> pneumonia.> > It has been established that the majority of> neurodegenerative disease,> fatiguing illnesses and neurobehavioral disease patients> have chronic >

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