Re: How long does an illegal food take to show signs of no toleranc

[Guest guest]

i know legal foods that have bugged me didn't happen till 24 hours

later and then lasted days-

eileen 4 1/2 months scd

-- In BTVC-SCD , " Mark Carlson "

wrote:

>

> Caroline,

> If I were to eat something on an empty stomach, I could tell when

it got

> through my terminal ileum (end of the small intestine, which is

where my

> " infection " is located) in 8 hours. For example, once I tried a cup

of

> brown rice. It started hurting within 3 hours, and didn't stop

until 8

> hours later. I thought I would have to go to the ER in the

meantime, but

> went through it anyway.

> Now, that' not always typical, and that doenst take into account the

> complete digestive track, but I kind of use that as a baseline of

how

> long it takes for non-fat, solitary food to go into my system.

>

> Kim,

> I also have more constipation tendencies. How have you found SCD to

work

> for you?

>

>

>

> From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On

> Behalf Of kkmumbower

> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 9:02 AM

> To: BTVC-SCD

> Subject: Re: Re: How long does an illegal food take to

show

> signs of " no toleranc

>

>

>

> Caroline

>

>

>

> No, the " bad " food hasn't gone through the entire intestinal tract.

> Instead, a reaction to the food in the stomach causes increased

> peristalsis (that's the muscular movement along the intestinal walls

> that pushes food materials) which triggers a bowel movement.

>

>

>

> Increased peristalsis when we eat is normal; it's how the body moves

> food/chyme through the stomach and beyond. But if you have a

> dysfunctional digestive system, due to functional issues or disease,

> then things can get out of whack. For example, just the fact of

> swallowing will trigger increased peristalsis. Or part of the

intestines

> move at different rates, some excessively fast or slow. If someone

is

> suffering from diarrhea, so the stools are loose and ill-formed

anyway,

> even a small increase in peristalsis at the upper GI will trigger

the

> descending colon and rectum to empty.

>

>

>

> This increased peristalsis tends to happen more often when you eat

> something high in fat, or when you eat a food that your digestion or

> immune system isn't tolerating so tries to get rid of it. But it can

> also just be part of having loose stools, so just the simple fact of

> eating and swallowing triggers normal peristalsis, but causes a

bowel

> movement within moments of eating and swallowing.

>

>

>

> That is why it can be difficult to identify a problem food.

Sometimes

> it's not just a reaction to a specific food, it's just part of

having a

> dysfunctional digestive tract. Fortunately time on SCD usually

helps

> heal the intestines enough that the stools become more formed and

move

> more slowly during the normal peristalsis caused by eating.

>

>

>

> I looked all this up 5 years ago after I was diagnosed with my

upper GI

> disorders. I suffer from chronic constipation not diarrhea, and I

have

> to deal with cranky bile ducts and a slow stomach and difficulty

> swallowing, so I needed to understand how digestion works...

>

>

>

> Kim M.

>

> SCD 5 years

>

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Do you know what it means if my son reacts within minutes if a food

> disagrees with him. Some things seem to pass right through him in

> minutes. At times I've seen him put soomething in his mouth and run

> to the bathroom almost as soon as he's done chewing. I don't

> understand how this is possible. Is the " bad " food actually passing

> through his digestive tract that quickly?

>

> Caroline

> 20 year old son w/CD

> SCD 11 days

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It's difficult to know if the diet is working. It sure seems to be.

There are so many other things going on. My son started the diet at

the same time he started taking Flagyl and at the same time his doc

upped the dose of the Asacol. He initially got violently ill, but his

doctor is certain that was an allergic reaction to the Asacol, not the

diet. Right now he is on no meds whatsoever and he clearly is

showing improvement: He's not holding his stomach moaning in pain;

not spending more time on the toilet than off; not laying on the

bathroom floor of his dorm unconscious; and blood isn't dripping out

of him staining his clothing. There definitely is less blood in his

stool, and he says it's more formed than it had been. He is going to

the bathroom 4-5 times a day, but he also is eating more food than

he's eaten in months-yesterday he ate at least 2 pounds of meat

(london broil and meat balls in tomato sauce), lots of carrots and

green beans, 4 eggs, 2 cups yogourt, 3 cookies, 1 roll, 1 biscuit, i

muffin. He's 6'4 " , weighs 130 pound (wet) and is trying to gain back

some weight. He also is always hungry now, something I haven't heard

from him in months.

The only way I can tell if something doesn't agree with him is when he

runs to the bathroom. That very rarely is happening now but I also

can't tell what foods are easy for him to take. He can't drink

Welch's Grape Juice at all and uncooked bananas are a problem for

him. Otherwise, I don't know if the 4-5 bowel movements daily are

from a food that's upsetting him, or from him finally being able to

eat without hurting after every meal. He is also home with me now and

doesn't have the pressure of a very competitive college, which

definitely does seem to make him worse...final exam time was a mess.

Caroline

20 yr old son w/CD

12 days SPD

> Kim,

> I also have more constipation tendencies. How have you found SCD to

work

> for you?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Thank you for the digestion explanation.

My son's doctor (the one who suggested the SCD) said that constipation

becomes a problem with this diet. The advanced diet is so rich in

greens, veggys, and fruits. It doesn't make any sense to me that

constipation would be a problem. How do you treat it?

Caroline

20 year old son w/CD

SCD 12 days

>

> I looked all this up 5 years ago after I was diagnosed with my upper

GI disorders. I suffer from chronic constipation not diarrhea, and I

have to deal with cranky bile ducts and a slow stomach and difficulty

swallowing, so I needed to understand how digestion works...

>

> Kim M.

> SCD 5 years

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline: I have had chronic C issues for over 10 years. While I was on the intro/stage 1 phase of the diet, which was over 2 months, I did have C. There is a constipation protocol on the BTVC site, but I couldn't tolerate the prunes at first. So, I purchased powdered magnesium citrate (making sure there were no illegals) and drank that every morning and I usually had a BM daily. Now that I've started adding more advanced foods, I have 1 - 2 BMs most days. If I don't have one for 2 days, I eat a few stewed prunes with the liquid and that ususally gets things moving along. In the C protocol on the site, it says to eat one almond flour muffin daily. I'm still not tolerating any nut butters or flours but I know others have posted that it keeps them regular but they should be tried with caution as nut butters and flours are very advanced. http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm Misty Kimble Louisiana CD - no meds SCD - 4 monthskiwette2 wrote: Kim, Thank you for the digestion explanation. My son's doctor (the one who suggested the SCD) said that constipation becomes a problem with this diet. The advanced diet is so rich in greens, veggys, and

fruits. It doesn't make any sense to me that constipation would be a problem. How do you treat it? Caroline20 year old son w/CDSCD 12 days> .

[Guest guest]

The electrolyte drink is good also. I add extra lemon juice because I don't like the flavor. The mag didn't work for me, I think I took too much. Make sure you order it from a good source (SCD place) and check with others on the doseage. The stewed prunes passed right thru 'whole' (sorry)--I have given up on dried fruit until way later but everyone is different. It may work for you.

Debbie 39 crohn's

Hi Caroline:

I have had chronic C issues for over 10 years. While I was on the intro/stage 1 phase of the diet, which was over 2 months, I did have C. There is a constipation protocol on the BTVC site, but I couldn't tolerate the prunes at first. So, I purchased powdered magnesium citrate (making sure there were no illegals) and drank that every morning and I usually had a BM daily. Now that I've started adding more advanced foods, I have 1 - 2 BMs most days. If I don't have one for 2 days, I eat a few stewed prunes with the liquid and that ususally gets things moving along. In the C protocol on the site, it says to eat one almond flour muffin daily. I'm still not tolerating any nut butters or flours but I know others have posted that it keeps them regular but they should be tried with caution as nut butters and flours are very advanced.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm

Misty Kimble

Louisiana

CD - no meds

SCD - 4 monthskiwette2 wrote:

Kim, Thank you for the digestion explanation. My son's doctor (the one who suggested the SCD) said that constipation becomes a problem with this diet. The advanced diet is so rich in greens, veggys, and fruits. It doesn't make any sense to me that

constipation would be a problem. How do you treat it? Caroline20 year old son w/CDSCD 12 days>

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[Guest guest]

Meant to say the mag did work but it hurt so bad. I'll never take it again.

The electrolyte drink is good also. I add extra lemon juice because I don't like the flavor. The mag didn't work for me, I think I took too much. Make sure you order it from a good source (SCD place) and check with others on the doseage. The stewed prunes passed right thru 'whole' (sorry)--I have given up on dried fruit until way later but everyone is different. It may work for you.

Debbie 39 crohn's

Hi Caroline:

I have had chronic C issues for over 10 years. While I was on the intro/stage 1 phase of the diet, which was over 2 months, I did have C. There is a constipation protocol on the BTVC site, but I couldn't tolerate the prunes at first. So, I purchased powdered magnesium citrate (making sure there were no illegals) and drank that every morning and I usually had a BM daily. Now that I've started adding more advanced foods, I have 1 - 2 BMs most days. If I don't have one for 2 days, I eat a few stewed prunes with the liquid and that ususally gets things moving along. In the C protocol on the site, it says to eat one almond flour muffin daily. I'm still not tolerating any nut butters or flours but I know others have posted that it keeps them regular but they should be tried with caution as nut butters and flours are very advanced.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm

Misty Kimble

Louisiana

CD - no meds

SCD - 4 monthskiwette2 wrote:

Kim, Thank you for the digestion explanation. My son's doctor (the one who suggested the SCD) said that constipation becomes a problem with this diet. The advanced diet is so rich in greens, veggys, and fruits. It doesn't make any sense to me that

constipation would be a problem. How do you treat it? Caroline20 year old son w/CDSCD 12 days>

..

[Guest guest]

> Kim,

> Thank you for the digestion explanation.

> My son's doctor (the one who suggested the SCD) said that constipation

> becomes a problem with this diet. The advanced diet is so rich in

> greens, veggys, and fruits. It doesn't make any sense to me that

> constipation would be a problem. How do you treat it?

> Caroline

> 20 year old son w/CD

> SCD 12 days

If it's a problem, I sure haven't noticed it yet. <g>

Occasionally, I experience slight constipation,

lasting only a few days, during periods of

die-off, when toxins are being released and

the gut ecology is changing drastically.

But for people

whose tendency is too many BMs, I haven't heard of their

tendencies changing to C. Though everyone, of course,

is different. And your doctor may have known someone

who had that as a problem and so is mentioning it to

you. But as a general rule, it doesn't seem to happen

all that much that I'm aware of.

Regards,

Mara, UC, SCD 1 year

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline

I do feel that there's plenty of fiber in the more advanced foods

allowed on SCD. I know my digestive motility has improved the longer

I've been on SCD. It's also true that the early stages of the diet

can worsen constipation if you're prone to that, seems to be part of

the healing process. I've also found that the illegal fiber

supplements, which I tried before I started SCD, caused terrible side-

effects and made me a whole lot worse.

I no longer take a motility medication (Zelnorm) even though I can't

eat anything raw and can't eat many of the advanced foods simply

because my upper GI dysfunctions won't tolerate them. Of course I

stopped my low dose of Zelnorm because it was pulled from the market,

but I have been fairly successful substituting some other things. I

rarely need to use a water enema.

I do continue to use a stool softener, Miralax, and have been on it

for more than 5 years. This helps me the most. It's now OTC, and

although entirely synthetic, is safe to use over the long-term,

according to my doctors and my research. This might be something

your son could use for a while, until his digestion improves. Of

course check with his doctor.

I also take a low dose of magnesium regularly, stay hydrated, boost

my electrolytes frequently, and walk regularly. In the past 3 months

I've been able to tolerate (finally!) a few dried or stewed prunes

twice a week, and that helps too.

The most important thing I've found to help my poor digestive

motility and chronic constipation is staying on SCD. It took a few

years to feel improvements, but it's been worth the struggles.

Kim M.

SCD 5 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction, GP, IBS-C 5+ years

neurological issues 2+ years

>

> Kim,

> Thank you for the digestion explanation.

> My son's doctor (the one who suggested the SCD) said that

constipation

> becomes a problem with this diet. The advanced diet is so rich in

> greens, veggys, and fruits. It doesn't make any sense to me that

> constipation would be a problem. How do you treat it?

> Caroline

> 20 year old son w/CD

> SCD 12 days

>

> >

> > I looked all this up 5 years ago after I was diagnosed with my

upper

> GI disorders. I suffer from chronic constipation not diarrhea, and

I

> have to deal with cranky bile ducts and a slow stomach and

difficulty

> swallowing, so I needed to understand how digestion works...

> >

> > Kim M.

> > SCD 5 years

> >

>

[Guest guest]

my son reacts mildly within the day he eats something, and slowly builds up over several days, and then lets down after the high point... (several more days)

Take care!

mom of 3 - 6, 10 (ASD), Randy 20SCD since 11/14/2007household SCD modified, but not all following