Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Magnumass, This is the most narrow minded thing I have heard in at least a day or so. If you really believe this, then you must oppose EMTs and paramedics being paid for their services. One could easily say they are making a profit. Do you think even the nonprofit hospitals don't actually produce revenue? If so, you really need to get out more often. While these monies are used to " further " the facilities services, they still intend to bring in more cash than they spend. What is the difference in a private company turning a meager profit, and a municipality using proceeds from EMS to offset other city projects? Following this chain of thought, I suppose that physicians, paramedics, ambulance companies, hospitals, chiropractors, podiatrist and dentist are all wrongly motivated. One striking advantage to the private companies is the threat of competition. If they cannot or will not do an adequate job, someone else who can will come in. By contrast, a county or municipal system has absolutely ZERO threat from competition. Yes, it is late, I am hot, I'm tired, and its been a long day. paramedic, not a private EMS employee (not that there is anything wrong with that) In a message dated 8/19/03 9:32:43 PM Central Daylight Time, magnetass@... writes: > Any entity that has profit as it's motive has no business in providing > emergency services to anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 When AMR left Brownfield Texas they stayed until the hospital was able to get everything changed over. AMR let us have the ambulances, the stock in the ambulances, and the stock in the storeroom. The only thing AMR took was the computers and office equipment. They stayed for 6 months to ease the transition. My only regret was I didn't transfer somewhere else within AMR due to the fact that now my benifits suck. Insurance is higher for less coverage, no retirement, no dental or vision. The only thing is now we don't have someone 300 miles away watching us. AMR stranded us? Hell no. So don't make assumptions you can't back up. Tim Tate EMT-P Assistant Operations Director Brownfield EMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Any entitiy that has profit as it's motive has no business in providing emergency services to anybody. The 2 things cannot be reconciled, and the landscape is littered with the wreckage of failed private company 911, lots of it from the companies you have mentioned. Why is it that your current provider is not working out I wonder? Best of luck, but the citizens of Brown county deserve better than what is being proposed. Forming an ESD is a good first step, but falls far short of providing what you would want for your family in an emergency. Until a quality county or city public service is formed, all you will have is continual flux and be subject to the vagaries of thinking that is focused on the bottom line. EMS for profit is now, and always will be, a bad idea who's time has passed. magnetass sends Re Brown County > I have received several inquiries about what is going on in Brownwood and > Brown County with the EMS service. My firm recently completed an EMS needs > analysis for the city and the county. > > The present provider's contract is up on September 13 and it has announced > that it will not continue past that date. > > Brown County is accepting proposals for provision of EMS for Brownwood and > Brown County. > > It is my understanding that the known interested parties are AMR, R/M, ETMC > and Gold Star. I had not heard of Majestic EMS, but I suspect I know who it > is. However, I won't speculate until I have more info. > > The time frame here is very short, since the current service's contract ends > September 13. The county and city are looking for a service to come in and > provide good quality service immediately, with prospects of a long term contract > emerging. > > We have recommended a number of steps to create a stable EMS system, > including establishment of an ESD for adequate financial support, creation of an EMS > oversight committee composed of a wide variety of knowledgeable citizens, > organization of a unified first response system incorporating the present rural > fire departments and perhaps other agencies, using the existing public safety > communications system for system control, which has not been done in the past, > and an infrastructure that would continually monitor and assess the contractee's > performance. > > However, it will take time to build those structures, and the immediate need > is for a stable provider. > > If anyone is seriously interested in bidding on this service, contact Hon. > Ray West, Brown County Judge, at the courthouse in Brownwood, or Butts, > City Manager in Brownwood. > > Gene Gandy > HillGandy Associates > EMS Consultants > PO Box 1651 > Albany, TX 76430 > 903 530-9826 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 magnetass sends Re Brown County > > > > I have received several inquiries about what is going on in Brownwood and > > Brown County with the EMS service. My firm recently completed an EMS > needs > > analysis for the city and the county. > > > > The present provider's contract is up on September 13 and it has announced > > that it will not continue past that date. > > > > Brown County is accepting proposals for provision of EMS for Brownwood and > > Brown County. > > > > It is my understanding that the known interested parties are AMR, R/M, > ETMC > > and Gold Star. I had not heard of Majestic EMS, but I suspect I know who > it > > is. However, I won't speculate until I have more info. > > > > The time frame here is very short, since the current service's contract > ends > > September 13. The county and city are looking for a service to come in > and > > provide good quality service immediately, with prospects of a long term > contract > > emerging. > > > > We have recommended a number of steps to create a stable EMS system, > > including establishment of an ESD for adequate financial support, creation > of an EMS > > oversight committee composed of a wide variety of knowledgeable citizens, > > organization of a unified first response system incorporating the present > rural > > fire departments and perhaps other agencies, using the existing public > safety > > communications system for system control, which has not been done in the > past, > > and an infrastructure that would continually monitor and assess the > contractee's > > performance. > > > > However, it will take time to build those structures, and the immediate > need > > is for a stable provider. > > > > If anyone is seriously interested in bidding on this service, contact Hon. > > Ray West, Brown County Judge, at the courthouse in Brownwood, or > Butts, > > City Manager in Brownwood. > > > > Gene Gandy > > HillGandy Associates > > EMS Consultants > > PO Box 1651 > > Albany, TX 76430 > > 903 530-9826 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Narrow minded? Ask any munincipality that has ever been stranded by a private service because they couldn't maintain their profit margin. I never said there was anything wrong with being employed by a private company, just that providing 911 service shouldn't be handled by them for exactly the reason I stated. You are taking much into assumption. magnetass sends Re: Re Brown County > Magnumass, > > This is the most narrow minded thing I have heard in at least a day or so. > > If you really believe this, then you must oppose EMTs and paramedics being > paid for their services. One could easily say they are making a profit. > > Do you think even the nonprofit hospitals don't actually produce revenue? If > so, you really need to get out more often. While these monies are used to > " further " the facilities services, they still intend to bring in more cash than > they spend. > > What is the difference in a private company turning a meager profit, and a > municipality using proceeds from EMS to offset other city projects? > > Following this chain of thought, I suppose that physicians, paramedics, > ambulance companies, hospitals, chiropractors, podiatrist and dentist are all > wrongly motivated. > > One striking advantage to the private companies is the threat of competition. > If they cannot or will not do an adequate job, someone else who can will > come in. By contrast, a county or municipal system has absolutely ZERO threat > from competition. > > Yes, it is late, I am hot, I'm tired, and its been a long day. > > > paramedic, not a private EMS employee (not that there is anything wrong with > that) > > > In a message dated 8/19/03 9:32:43 PM Central Daylight Time, > magnetass@... writes: > > > > Any entity that has profit as it's motive has no business in providing > > emergency services to anybody. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 AMR DID strand you, they were just nicer about it than they usually are. Lucky you. Why did they leave in the first place? I bet it wasn't because they were making a ton of money. If Brownfield now has a taxpayer supported agency, they are much better off. If not, they better hope they are as nice as AMR was when they decide to haul ass. magnetass sends Re: Re Brown County > When AMR left Brownfield Texas they stayed until the hospital was able to get > everything changed over. AMR let us have the ambulances, the stock in the > ambulances, and the stock in the storeroom. The only thing AMR took was the > computers and office equipment. They stayed for 6 months to ease the transition. > My only regret was I didn't transfer somewhere else within AMR due to the fact > that now my benifits suck. Insurance is higher for less coverage, no > retirement, no dental or vision. The only thing is now we don't have someone 300 miles > away watching us. AMR stranded us? Hell no. So don't make assumptions you > can't back up. > > Tim Tate EMT-P > Assistant Operations Director > Brownfield EMS > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Is anybody here capable of reading the english language? Good lord people, take a step back and try to understand my point. I don't care if you disagree with me, but please disagree with what I'm saying. Rural Metro, AMR, ETMC and any other private service on earth has but 1 motive......to make profits, period. An agency that is taxpayer supported has 1 motive...to provide service. Do you see the difference? Obviously everybody has to bill, however, profits generated by a private company are divided up among private individuals and shareholders, wheras profits generated by taxpayer agencies are usually plowed back in the system, or distributed through the taxpayer system. I know this for sure, they aren't passing it on the the employees, regardless of what kind of service you work for! I'd like to know from somebody in Brown county how successful their current system is, and why their old service left? Private ambulance isn't evil folks, but having them run your 911 system puts you at great risk of having them leave you in a bad way if they can't maintain profits. The bottom line is the bottom line, and always will be. magnetass sends Re Brown County > > > > > > > I have received several inquiries about what is going on in Brownwood > and > > > Brown County with the EMS service. My firm recently completed an EMS > > needs > > > analysis for the city and the county. > > > > > > The present provider's contract is up on September 13 and it has > announced > > > that it will not continue past that date. > > > > > > Brown County is accepting proposals for provision of EMS for Brownwood > and > > > Brown County. > > > > > > It is my understanding that the known interested parties are AMR, R/M, > > ETMC > > > and Gold Star. I had not heard of Majestic EMS, but I suspect I know > who > > it > > > is. However, I won't speculate until I have more info. > > > > > > The time frame here is very short, since the current service's contract > > ends > > > September 13. The county and city are looking for a service to come in > > and > > > provide good quality service immediately, with prospects of a long term > > contract > > > emerging. > > > > > > We have recommended a number of steps to create a stable EMS system, > > > including establishment of an ESD for adequate financial support, > creation > > of an EMS > > > oversight committee composed of a wide variety of knowledgeable > citizens, > > > organization of a unified first response system incorporating the > present > > rural > > > fire departments and perhaps other agencies, using the existing public > > safety > > > communications system for system control, which has not been done in the > > past, > > > and an infrastructure that would continually monitor and assess the > > contractee's > > > performance. > > > > > > However, it will take time to build those structures, and the immediate > > need > > > is for a stable provider. > > > > > > If anyone is seriously interested in bidding on this service, contact > Hon. > > > Ray West, Brown County Judge, at the courthouse in Brownwood, or > > Butts, > > > City Manager in Brownwood. > > > > > > Gene Gandy > > > HillGandy Associates > > > EMS Consultants > > > PO Box 1651 > > > Albany, TX 76430 > > > 903 530-9826 > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 What!?!? Any entity that serves the public has profit on their mind, hence billing departments, and outside contractors. I know of a few good private services offering 911 coverage. Fire departments that charge, volunteer or otherwise, LE that charge for alarm calls, you name it, all branches and services are looking for a way to increase revenues. The landscape is also littered with nearly bankrupt services because they spent too LITTLE time concerning themselves with billing and collections, not allowing them to obtain raises, buy new equipment etc. I can assure you that the first time you quit sending billing information with your reports, someone in your upper echelon will be calling your name. sends Re Brown County > > > > I have received several inquiries about what is going on in Brownwood and > > Brown County with the EMS service. My firm recently completed an EMS > needs > > analysis for the city and the county. > > > > The present provider's contract is up on September 13 and it has announced > > that it will not continue past that date. > > > > Brown County is accepting proposals for provision of EMS for Brownwood and > > Brown County. > > > > It is my understanding that the known interested parties are AMR, R/M, > ETMC > > and Gold Star. I had not heard of Majestic EMS, but I suspect I know who > it > > is. However, I won't speculate until I have more info. > > > > The time frame here is very short, since the current service's contract > ends > > September 13. The county and city are looking for a service to come in > and > > provide good quality service immediately, with prospects of a long term > contract > > emerging. > > > > We have recommended a number of steps to create a stable EMS system, > > including establishment of an ESD for adequate financial support, creation > of an EMS > > oversight committee composed of a wide variety of knowledgeable citizens, > > organization of a unified first response system incorporating the present > rural > > fire departments and perhaps other agencies, using the existing public > safety > > communications system for system control, which has not been done in the > past, > > and an infrastructure that would continually monitor and assess the > contractee's > > performance. > > > > However, it will take time to build those structures, and the immediate > need > > is for a stable provider. > > > > If anyone is seriously interested in bidding on this service, contact Hon. > > Ray West, Brown County Judge, at the courthouse in Brownwood, or > Butts, > > City Manager in Brownwood. > > > > Gene Gandy > > HillGandy Associates > > EMS Consultants > > PO Box 1651 > > Albany, TX 76430 > > 903 530-9826 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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