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Oh, this is rich. Really really rich. Nada is finally the one squirming and I

find it pretty darn amusing.

So some if you know that I have been kinda freaking out about my uBPD sis

telling the extended family that I told her to terminate her pg. Way back before

the baby was born my aunt (nada's sister) called and asked me point blank, if I

said that. I told her no! and explained the situation and my aunt laughed and

said something like " I KNEW you didn't say that! " (she's married to a

psychologist-and really " gets " that nada is sick) So, fast forward 9 months.

Baby is born. No one calls to tell me. Nada calls this past weekend wanting me

to get all of my children and drive nearly 2 hours to meet the almost 3 week old

baby. Yes. The baby that I didn't want BORN.(???) In the phone call Nada

mentioned that I said " hurtful words " about the baby. I kinda freaked out, told

Nada that my aunt had called me re: those " hurtful words " and that Nada was was

crazy for listening to my LOONEY dramaqueen sister. I NEVER shared A WORD of

the actual conversation. Nada quickly got off the phone. :) She sent this email

today:

" I assume that you are still considering letting the kids meet (baby). I want

you to know that if what A___(aunt) asked you about contained the words " not

God's will " then she (aunt) was mistaken. Apparently, just like in the game

telephone, as messages get passed from one person to another, there are

misunderstandings. (sister) is NOT and has NOT told people that you said that-

if that matters to you in the decision making process. Please let me kinow what

you have decided on the visit. "

Does anyone SEE THE ISSUE HERE???? How does my dear sweet nada seem to KNOW

there is a misunderstanding? Only sis or Nada could have fed aunt that story.

What seems obvious to me is that Nada EMBELISHED the made-up story, passed it to

my aunt, and is now trying to THROW MY AUNT UNDER THE BUS. Nada is claiming that

MY AUNT IS AT FAULT-not my sis for her made up story, not nada for her obvious

embellishments. She is busy backtracking now that she is caught. She now knows

that my aunt DEFIED nadas orders for the extended family to stop talking to me

and called me. I think nada thought she could never get caught telling lies.

Nada just showed her CRAZY CARDS and I feel victorious. :D

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I think your nada and ubpd sis are really just trying to get people (you, aunt,

total strangers--who does not matter) involved in meaningless dramatics to make

them feel important.  From their perspective, I think they won: aunt called you,

you confronted nada about sis's crazy story, I read your post about it.

Nada is sick, but she's not crazy and neither is ubpd sis.  The logic is just

very, very different.

But if it helps to see the holes in her story, by all means, see them.  They are

most certainly there.  It's just that the point is not the story.  The point is

to distract you from what she's really doing.

Best,

Ashana

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My4 - I've been following this saga as you've posted - here's a thought:

Okay, your sister had a baby. She lives two hours away by car. Amid much

family chaos - the phone calls, the emails, the strategic timing of the

invitation to " bring the kids to meet the baby " - I hear a giant Hoovering sound

in the background.

Your sister MAY be using the situation to create drama, and your mother

certainly is doing that. Lots of calls, lots of " misunderstandings, " and then

this request (command performance??) that you haul your kids two hours each way

to " meet " a newborn.

A newborn baby doesn't care whether or not she is " meeting " anyone, unless they

have a warm bottle or a dry diaper. Your kids could look at a picture of the

baby and get the idea that there's a new cousin. In about a year or 18 months,

the baby will be big enough to interact a little. For right now, the " meeting "

would consist of you bringing your kids into a room, the kids looking at the

baby, and then everybody bugging the kids to " be gentle " and not wake the baby

up, etc. Plenty of opportunity for Nada and Sis to harangue you, with not much

real payoff for the kids OR the baby. And then you will have spent 4 hours in

the car, paid for a tank of gas, and spent what, an hour? - " meeting " someone

who is blissfully unaware of your presence and being lobbed with guilt bombs,

because you're trapped in a room with two manipulation experts and you can't

" upset " the new mother.

How about if you tell them the kids have colds, you don't want to spread germs,

please email pictures. Then send a message back saying the baby is beautiful

and you look forward to seeing her at the next holiday/reunion/unavoidable

family gathering. The baby won't care. Nada and Sis may be offended, but how

exactly will that be any different?

Sorry to be so cynical, but I think they're using the newborn as Hoover bait.

>

> Oh, this is rich. Really really rich. Nada is finally the one squirming and I

find it pretty darn amusing.

> So some if you know that I have been kinda freaking out about my uBPD sis

telling the extended family that I told her to terminate her pg. Way back before

the baby was born my aunt (nada's sister) called and asked me point blank, if I

said that. I told her no! and explained the situation and my aunt laughed and

said something like " I KNEW you didn't say that! " (she's married to a

psychologist-and really " gets " that nada is sick) So, fast forward 9 months.

Baby is born. No one calls to tell me. Nada calls this past weekend wanting me

to get all of my children and drive nearly 2 hours to meet the almost 3 week old

baby. Yes. The baby that I didn't want BORN.(???) In the phone call Nada

mentioned that I said " hurtful words " about the baby. I kinda freaked out, told

Nada that my aunt had called me re: those " hurtful words " and that Nada was was

crazy for listening to my LOONEY dramaqueen sister. I NEVER shared A WORD of

the actual conversation. Nada quickly got off the phone. :) She sent this email

today:

>

> " I assume that you are still considering letting the kids meet (baby). I want

you to know that if what A___(aunt) asked you about contained the words " not

God's will " then she (aunt) was mistaken. Apparently, just like in the game

telephone, as messages get passed from one person to another, there are

misunderstandings. (sister) is NOT and has NOT told people that you said that-

if that matters to you in the decision making process. Please let me kinow what

you have decided on the visit. "

>

> Does anyone SEE THE ISSUE HERE???? How does my dear sweet nada seem to KNOW

there is a misunderstanding? Only sis or Nada could have fed aunt that story.

What seems obvious to me is that Nada EMBELISHED the made-up story, passed it to

my aunt, and is now trying to THROW MY AUNT UNDER THE BUS. Nada is claiming that

MY AUNT IS AT FAULT-not my sis for her made up story, not nada for her obvious

embellishments. She is busy backtracking now that she is caught. She now knows

that my aunt DEFIED nadas orders for the extended family to stop talking to me

and called me. I think nada thought she could never get caught telling lies.

>

> Nada just showed her CRAZY CARDS and I feel victorious. :D

>

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I think Tara is a genius. I have 3 kids, and honestly after 5 minutes I was

done with guests. Send her a gift basket or a gift card to have a nice

dinner delivered, and your regrets. Send a nice card with it saying you

remember how exhausting it was those first months and you look forward to

seeing her later after flu season and when they are all more settled in.

My nada does this sort of thing all the time. She has to be present at all

family meetings. Like, if I want to see my brother, she thinks she needs to

be there. Or my grandmother. Or my father, whom she has been divorced from

for over 15 years! When I went NC, she was leaving me messages telling me

not to talk to my cousin, or step sister, because they would all tell me

horrible lies about her. Then she would tell my cousins not to talk to me

because I was a liar and vindictive and wasn't telling the truth. She

couldn't stand it that I now have relationships that she is not able to

triangulate in. If you do want to meet the baby, you can do so later without

nada's presence or 'permission'.

Hugs!

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:54 AM, shirleyspawn

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>

>

>

> My4 - I've been following this saga as you've posted - here's a thought:

>

> Okay, your sister had a baby. She lives two hours away by car. Amid much

> family chaos - the phone calls, the emails, the strategic timing of the

> invitation to " bring the kids to meet the baby " - I hear a giant Hoovering

> sound in the background.

>

> Your sister MAY be using the situation to create drama, and your mother

> certainly is doing that. Lots of calls, lots of " misunderstandings, " and

> then this request (command performance??) that you haul your kids two hours

> each way to " meet " a newborn.

>

> A newborn baby doesn't care whether or not she is " meeting " anyone, unless

> they have a warm bottle or a dry diaper. Your kids could look at a picture

> of the baby and get the idea that there's a new cousin. In about a year or

> 18 months, the baby will be big enough to interact a little. For right now,

> the " meeting " would consist of you bringing your kids into a room, the kids

> looking at the baby, and then everybody bugging the kids to " be gentle " and

> not wake the baby up, etc. Plenty of opportunity for Nada and Sis to

> harangue you, with not much real payoff for the kids OR the baby. And then

> you will have spent 4 hours in the car, paid for a tank of gas, and spent

> what, an hour? - " meeting " someone who is blissfully unaware of your

> presence and being lobbed with guilt bombs, because you're trapped in a room

> with two manipulation experts and you can't " upset " the new mother.

>

> How about if you tell them the kids have colds, you don't want to spread

> germs, please email pictures. Then send a message back saying the baby is

> beautiful and you look forward to seeing her at the next

> holiday/reunion/unavoidable family gathering. The baby won't care. Nada and

> Sis may be offended, but how exactly will that be any different?

>

> Sorry to be so cynical, but I think they're using the newborn as Hoover

> bait.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Oh, this is rich. Really really rich. Nada is finally the one squirming

> and I find it pretty darn amusing.

> > So some if you know that I have been kinda freaking out about my uBPD sis

> telling the extended family that I told her to terminate her pg. Way back

> before the baby was born my aunt (nada's sister) called and asked me point

> blank, if I said that. I told her no! and explained the situation and my

> aunt laughed and said something like " I KNEW you didn't say that! " (she's

> married to a psychologist-and really " gets " that nada is sick) So, fast

> forward 9 months. Baby is born. No one calls to tell me. Nada calls this

> past weekend wanting me to get all of my children and drive nearly 2 hours

> to meet the almost 3 week old baby. Yes. The baby that I didn't want

> BORN.(???) In the phone call Nada mentioned that I said " hurtful words "

> about the baby. I kinda freaked out, told Nada that my aunt had called me

> re: those " hurtful words " and that Nada was was crazy for listening to my

> LOONEY dramaqueen sister. I NEVER shared A WORD of the actual conversation.

> Nada quickly got off the phone. :) She sent this email today:

> >

> > " I assume that you are still considering letting the kids meet (baby). I

> want you to know that if what A___(aunt) asked you about contained the words

> " not God's will " then she (aunt) was mistaken. Apparently, just like in the

> game telephone, as messages get passed from one person to another, there are

> misunderstandings. (sister) is NOT and has NOT told people that you said

> that- if that matters to you in the decision making process. Please let me

> kinow what you have decided on the visit. "

> >

> > Does anyone SEE THE ISSUE HERE???? How does my dear sweet nada seem to

> KNOW there is a misunderstanding? Only sis or Nada could have fed aunt that

> story. What seems obvious to me is that Nada EMBELISHED the made-up story,

> passed it to my aunt, and is now trying to THROW MY AUNT UNDER THE BUS. Nada

> is claiming that MY AUNT IS AT FAULT-not my sis for her made up story, not

> nada for her obvious embellishments. She is busy backtracking now that she

> is caught. She now knows that my aunt DEFIED nadas orders for the extended

> family to stop talking to me and called me. I think nada thought she could

> never get caught telling lies.

> >

> > Nada just showed her CRAZY CARDS and I feel victorious. :D

> >

>

>

>

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You are so right. I said something similar to my husband. BabyBait. lol! My aunt

wrote me an email telling me that I " need to repair and re-establish a

relationship " with my sis, but that it may not be possible, " as she is currently

disillusioned about the camouflaged, slippery slope that is your mom. " Wow. Nuf

said. Moving on. :D

> >

> > Oh, this is rich. Really really rich. Nada is finally the one squirming and

I find it pretty darn amusing.

> > So some if you know that I have been kinda freaking out about my uBPD sis

telling the extended family that I told her to terminate her pg. Way back before

the baby was born my aunt (nada's sister) called and asked me point blank, if I

said that. I told her no! and explained the situation and my aunt laughed and

said something like " I KNEW you didn't say that! " (she's married to a

psychologist-and really " gets " that nada is sick) So, fast forward 9 months.

Baby is born. No one calls to tell me. Nada calls this past weekend wanting me

to get all of my children and drive nearly 2 hours to meet the almost 3 week old

baby. Yes. The baby that I didn't want BORN.(???) In the phone call Nada

mentioned that I said " hurtful words " about the baby. I kinda freaked out, told

Nada that my aunt had called me re: those " hurtful words " and that Nada was was

crazy for listening to my LOONEY dramaqueen sister. I NEVER shared A WORD of

the actual conversation. Nada quickly got off the phone. :) She sent this email

today:

> >

> > " I assume that you are still considering letting the kids meet (baby). I

want you to know that if what A___(aunt) asked you about contained the words

" not God's will " then she (aunt) was mistaken. Apparently, just like in the

game telephone, as messages get passed from one person to another, there are

misunderstandings. (sister) is NOT and has NOT told people that you said that-

if that matters to you in the decision making process. Please let me kinow what

you have decided on the visit. "

> >

> > Does anyone SEE THE ISSUE HERE???? How does my dear sweet nada seem to KNOW

there is a misunderstanding? Only sis or Nada could have fed aunt that story.

What seems obvious to me is that Nada EMBELISHED the made-up story, passed it to

my aunt, and is now trying to THROW MY AUNT UNDER THE BUS. Nada is claiming that

MY AUNT IS AT FAULT-not my sis for her made up story, not nada for her obvious

embellishments. She is busy backtracking now that she is caught. She now knows

that my aunt DEFIED nadas orders for the extended family to stop talking to me

and called me. I think nada thought she could never get caught telling lies.

> >

> > Nada just showed her CRAZY CARDS and I feel victorious. :D

> >

>

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My4

Having bpd relatives is sort of like having a pet porcupine. They may be

ours, but anytime we try to pick them up and pet them, we get ouchies.

Perhaps, just perhaps, under that porcupine is a really sweet little

schnauzer, but chances are , we ll never know. We will always get quills

from them.

So, how does one love a porcupine?

:)

From afar, my friend, from afar.

Keep healing

Doug

>

> Oh, this is rich. Really really rich. Nada is finally the one

squirming and I find it pretty darn amusing.

> So some if you know that I have been kinda freaking out about my uBPD

sis telling the extended family that I told her to terminate her pg. Way

back before the baby was born my aunt (nada's sister) called and asked

me point blank, if I said that. I told her no! and explained the

situation and my aunt laughed and said something like " I KNEW you didn't

say that! " (she's married to a psychologist-and really " gets " that nada

is sick) So, fast forward 9 months. Baby is born. No one calls to tell

me. Nada calls this past weekend wanting me to get all of my children

and drive nearly 2 hours to meet the almost 3 week old baby. Yes. The

baby that I didn't want BORN.(???) In the phone call Nada mentioned that

I said " hurtful words " about the baby. I kinda freaked out, told Nada

that my aunt had called me re: those " hurtful words " and that Nada was

was crazy for listening to my LOONEY dramaqueen sister. I NEVER shared A

WORD of the actual conversation. Nada quickly got off the phone. :) She

sent this email today:

>

> " I assume that you are still considering letting the kids meet (baby).

I want you to know that if what A___(aunt) asked you about contained the

words " not God's will " then she (aunt) was mistaken. Apparently, just

like in the game telephone, as messages get passed from one person to

another, there are misunderstandings. (sister) is NOT and has NOT told

people that you said that- if that matters to you in the decision making

process. Please let me kinow what you have decided on the visit. "

>

> Does anyone SEE THE ISSUE HERE???? How does my dear sweet nada seem to

KNOW there is a misunderstanding? Only sis or Nada could have fed aunt

that story. What seems obvious to me is that Nada EMBELISHED the made-up

story, passed it to my aunt, and is now trying to THROW MY AUNT UNDER

THE BUS. Nada is claiming that MY AUNT IS AT FAULT-not my sis for her

made up story, not nada for her obvious embellishments. She is busy

backtracking now that she is caught. She now knows that my aunt DEFIED

nadas orders for the extended family to stop talking to me and called

me. I think nada thought she could never get caught telling lies.

>

> Nada just showed her CRAZY CARDS and I feel victorious. :D

>

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Actually, there is a great book,. How to Love a Porcupine. It has many

strategies on dealing with prickly personalities.

May we all heal

>

> that is a great analogy, Doug!

> ~patricia

> Re: Serving up Just desserts. lol.

>

>

>

> My4

>

> Having bpd relatives is sort of like having a pet porcupine. They may be

> ours, but anytime we try to pick them up and pet them, we get ouchies.

> Perhaps, just perhaps, under that porcupine is a really sweet little

> schnauzer, but chances are , we ll never know. We will always get quills

> from them.

>

> So, how does one love a porcupine?

>

> :)

>

> From afar, my friend, from afar.

>

> Keep healing

>

> Doug

>

>

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