anyone remember?

[Guest guest]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/21/california.betty.broderick.parole/index.html

Remember Betty Broderick? I watch these shows on these types of murderers and

always think of

these women has having characteristics that my mother does. I don't think my

mom would go as far as

murder, but these people most definitely have these personality disorders. And

it's amazing that

jury members fall for it. But then again, I have been exposed to it for a

lifetime.

~patricia

ps..perhaps Judy Garland too, she reminds me of my mother.

[Guest guest]

I do remember watching the Lifetime movie about her. She definitely had

some serious issues...however...hehe...and I do not condone what she did, but

her husband was a bastard. Not saying he deserved what she did by any

means....but I can see how she was driven to it after she supported him for

years while she raised the kids and helped put him through law school and then

he cheated on her with his secretary who was like 20 years younger. My

husband cheated on me in 2003 and obviously I'd never resprt to something like

she did, but it's extremely hurtful and I can see how it might push an

untreated borderline right over the edge. Lots of people picketed her trial in

her defense....They did portray her in the movie as a domineering,

overbearing, " witch " type of woman. There's a book out about how to divorce a

borderline too...I think it would behoove people divorcing a borderline to get

it. They can be very vengeful.

In a message dated 1/28/2010 8:07:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

coyotesun1@... writes:

_http://www.cnn.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://www.cnnhttp://www.cnn.http://www.cn

http_

(http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/21/california.betty.broderick.parole/index.htm\

l)

Remember Betty Broderick? I watch these shows on these types of murderers

and always think of

these women has having characteristics that my mother does. I don't think

my mom would go as far as

murder, but these people most definitely have these personality disorders.

And it's amazing that

jury members fall for it. But then again, I have been exposed to it for a

lifetime.

~patricia

ps..perhaps Judy Garland too, she reminds me of my mother.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

omg. Betty was EXACTLY like my mother when she went thru her divorce and my step

dad started seeing a younger woman. She told me about her homicidal thoughts

about killing the 2 of them. They even LOOK alike! I was never more terrified of

nada then during The Divorce Years.

>

>

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/21/california.betty.broderick.parole/index.html

>

> Remember Betty Broderick? I watch these shows on these types of murderers and

always think of

> these women has having characteristics that my mother does. I don't think my

mom would go as far as

> murder, but these people most definitely have these personality disorders.

And it's amazing that

> jury members fall for it. But then again, I have been exposed to it for a

lifetime.

> ~patricia

> ps..perhaps Judy Garland too, she reminds me of my mother.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I remember watching some documentary crime show on her and I could recognize

that face/eyes/tone that is in my mom sometimes. My mom is old now so she lacks

the power she once had. But there is this weird way of saying things that some

people believe, saying it the 'right' way. And Betty Broderick would try this.

Thank god she got put in jail. I think a lot of these types ARE killers! I bet

my mom would have wanted to kill when my dad left her, but she is more of a mild

sort. One time when she ran into the woman who my dad eventually married, my

mom clonked her on the head with a sheaf of papers she was holding. That's the

closest she got I guess.

I mean, if you watch those old biographies, you can see it in Joan Crawford,

maybe Betty , Judy Garland. It's scary to think of who in power might have

this.

~patricia

Re: anyone remember?

omg. Betty was EXACTLY like my mother when she went thru her divorce and my

step dad started seeing a younger woman. She told me about her homicidal

thoughts about killing the 2 of them. They even LOOK alike! I was never more

terrified of nada then during The Divorce Years.

>

>

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/21/california.betty.broderick.parole/index.html

>

> Remember Betty Broderick? I watch these shows on these types of murderers

and always think of

> these women has having characteristics that my mother does. I don't think

my mom would go as far as

> murder, but these people most definitely have these personality disorders.

And it's amazing that

> jury members fall for it. But then again, I have been exposed to it for a

lifetime.

> ~patricia

> ps..perhaps Judy Garland too, she reminds me of my mother.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can see how a divorce would push a BPD person over the edge. Most definitely!

It pushed me

pretty far into depression that's for sure. But there was no cheating in my

marriage.

I have to wonder though...if he was cheating on her....why was it? I mean she

seems to be a horror

to be with. That is not to say cheating is okay or that all cheating is because

of the wife, or husband's

behavior. Not at all. People were picketing her trial in her defense because

of the superficial reason

of a cheating husband. But even her kids couldn't deal with her. That's the

thing about borderlines, they

understand the power of superficiality!

~p

Re: anyone remember?

I do remember watching the Lifetime movie about her. She definitely had

some serious issues...however...hehe...and I do not condone what she did, but

her husband was a bastard. Not saying he deserved what she did by any

means....but I can see how she was driven to it after she supported him for

years while she raised the kids and helped put him through law school and

then

he cheated on her with his secretary who was like 20 years younger. My

husband cheated on me in 2003 and obviously I'd never resprt to something like

she did, but it's extremely hurtful and I can see how it might push an

untreated borderline right over the edge. Lots of people picketed her trial

in

her defense....They did portray her in the movie as a domineering,

overbearing, " witch " type of woman. There's a book out about how to divorce a

borderline too...I think it would behoove people divorcing a borderline to

get

it. They can be very vengeful.

In a message dated 1/28/2010 8:07:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

coyotesun1@... writes:

_http://www.cnn.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://www.cnnhttp://www.cnn.http://www.cn

http_

(http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/21/california.betty.broderick.parole/index.htm\

l)

Remember Betty Broderick? I watch these shows on these types of murderers

and always think of

these women has having characteristics that my mother does. I don't think

my mom would go as far as

murder, but these people most definitely have these personality disorders.

And it's amazing that

jury members fall for it. But then again, I have been exposed to it for a

lifetime.

~patricia

ps..perhaps Judy Garland too, she reminds me of my mother.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Disa~your email made me laugh: Like my mom, except for the killing part. Yeah,

the killing part is extreme!

~patricia

Re: anyone remember?

I read a biography about her before I heard the term " BPD " and it was the

first time I could say: Like THIS, my mom is like THIS except for the killing

part.

>

>

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/21/california.betty.broderick.parole/index.html

>

> Remember Betty Broderick? I watch these shows on these types of murderers

and always think of

> these women has having characteristics that my mother does. I don't think

my mom would go as far as

> murder, but these people most definitely have these personality disorders.

And it's amazing that

> jury members fall for it. But then again, I have been exposed to it for a

lifetime.

> ~patricia

> ps..perhaps Judy Garland too, she reminds me of my mother.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My mother used to say to me, " do you know I could just kill you right now

and there is nothing you can do about it. "

Ugh.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 11:25:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sleddog@... writes:

that could very well be, Doug...my nada threatened to kill us many

times..maybe I had an older sister/brother I never knew about because she

killed them !! and since we moved several times during my childhood, it

could have happened several times !!

Jackie

Now how to we KNOW our nadas didnt kill someone, bury the body, and

gaslight about it. We d NEVER know. What seemed like a normal life, took

a turn for the bizarre, as we found ourselves in

The Twilight Zone.

Ever think about that? Huh? Huh? Huh?

( you ll have to inject the music yourself, guys. )

Doug

[Guest guest]

My mother never attempted to kill herself, but would threaten it

constantly. She had such a manipulative hold on everyone in the family with her

suicidality.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 11:51:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

coyotesun1@... writes:

Oh, that is horrible; I can't imagine what that must have done to you. My

mother used to try to

kill herself and I know how bad that was. I'm sorry you had that

experience.

~patricia

Re: Re: anyone remember?

My mother used to say to me, " do you know I could just kill you right now

and there is nothing you can do about it. "

Ugh.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 11:25:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

_sleddog@..._ (mailto:sleddog@...) writes:

that could very well be, Doug...my nada threatened to kill us many

times..maybe I had an older sister/brother I never knew about because she

killed them !! and since we moved several times during my childhood, it

could have happened several times !!

Jackie

Now how to we KNOW our nadas didnt kill someone, bury the body, and

gaslight about it. We d NEVER know. What seemed like a normal life, took

a turn for the bizarre, as we found ourselves in

The Twilight Zone.

Ever think about that? Huh? Huh? Huh?

( you ll have to inject the music yourself, guys. )

Doug

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[Guest guest]

Disa~ Yeah, sometimes I wonder why my dad married my mom; he always seemed

pretty much disinterested. To give her credit, she always tried to take

interest in whatever he was interested in (skiing, biking, camping, etc). She

was not on the extreme like Betty. I heard rumors (from my dad but he heard

from his dad) that his own mother was a " bitch " , so who knows, maybe he was

attracted to a type of mental problems/illness?? (Both his brothers sunk into

mental illness).

These days things might be different, but I think if you fall out with someone,

you have to get away before you have the affair. But of course it is easy to

judge from the outside. I do realize the consequences of divorcing such a

person. But then he went and had all these kids with her... I don't understand

why people do that. Probably a sort of passiveness: give her what she wants and

maybe she'll shut up....

~patricia

Re: anyone remember?

PD, there have been times I have thought that if my nada were more familiar

with guns she would have killed us all. She didn't, obviously, but Betty was

very similar in how she portrayed herself in the victim role.

In the book I read (it's been too long to remember the name) her husband

realized how off she was on their honeymoon and was ripped up about it...but

there was nothing he could do because of his religion. They didn't believe in

divorce. So right from the beginning their relationship was strained.

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[Guest guest]

Ahh...of course! This would be a good plot for a book then movie ...oh wait,

it's been done!

~p

Re: anyone remember?

Now how to we KNOW our nadas didnt kill someone, bury the body, and

gaslight about it. We d NEVER know. What seemed like a normal life, took

a turn for the bizarre, as we found ourselves in

The Twilight Zone.

Ever think about that? Huh? Huh? Huh?

( you ll have to inject the music yourself, guys. )

Doug

> >

> >

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/21/california.betty.broderick.parole/in\

dex.html

> >

> > Remember Betty Broderick? I watch these shows on these types of

murderers and always think of

> > these women has having characteristics that my mother does. I don't

think my mom would go as far as

> > murder, but these people most definitely have these personality

disorders. And it's amazing that

> > jury members fall for it. But then again, I have been exposed to it

for a lifetime.

> > ~patricia

> > ps..perhaps Judy Garland too, she reminds me of my mother.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

that could very well be, Doug...my nada threatened to kill us many

times..maybe I had an older sister/brother I never knew about because she

killed them !! and since we moved several times during my childhood, it

could have happened several times !!

Jackie

Now how to we KNOW our nadas didnt kill someone, bury the body, and

gaslight about it. We d NEVER know. What seemed like a normal life, took

a turn for the bizarre, as we found ourselves in

The Twilight Zone.

Ever think about that? Huh? Huh? Huh?

( you ll have to inject the music yourself, guys. )

Doug

[Guest guest]

I was always in trouble and someone mad at me too. unfortunately, now it

makes me always wonder who's mad at me and I drive my therapist nuts thinking

she's mad about something.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 4:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sleddog@... writes:

Hi , I paid dearly for my " smartass " ways, though, and I wonder if

your sister did as well. Nada was ALWAYS mad at me, even if I didn't

say/do

anything..I learned a long time ago there was no pleasing her so I mostly

stropped trying, and started making my own little digs back at her....but

I

was always getting grounded for 2 weeks for this or that, when my siblings

if they did the same thing, were just yelled at...plus other things...my

siblings were allowed much more freedom that I ever was, so that was my

way

of rebelling.. my sisters curfew was 11 on week days and 1 on weekends..I

wasn't allowed out on week days, and my curfew was 10 on weekends...even

when I was older then the age my sister was at when she could stay out

later. I never did anything wrong when out.. I wasn't a wild kid, and I

was

NOT rebellious or a smartass to anyone except nada..

Jackie

Hi Jackie,

You remind me of my sister~ she was able to fight with my mom and give it

all

right back to her. I used to get mad at her, when I was younger, but then

I

was glad,

because I could never do it. I thought she was brave that way. She stood

up to what I

think is almost the scariest thing there is....a raging hair-trigger nada!

~patricia

[Guest guest]

Oh, that is horrible; I can't imagine what that must have done to you. My

mother used to try to

kill herself and I know how bad that was. I'm sorry you had that experience.

~patricia

Re: Re: anyone remember?

My mother used to say to me, " do you know I could just kill you right now

and there is nothing you can do about it. "

Ugh.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 11:25:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sleddog@... writes:

that could very well be, Doug...my nada threatened to kill us many

times..maybe I had an older sister/brother I never knew about because she

killed them !! and since we moved several times during my childhood, it

could have happened several times !!

Jackie

Now how to we KNOW our nadas didnt kill someone, bury the body, and

gaslight about it. We d NEVER know. What seemed like a normal life, took

a turn for the bizarre, as we found ourselves in

The Twilight Zone.

Ever think about that? Huh? Huh? Huh?

( you ll have to inject the music yourself, guys. )

Doug

[Guest guest]

I have come to the realization that bpd's don't really need a motive to say

what they say. I think they react on such distorted emotions and wrong

perceptions that they spew their anger at the weakest people around

them...primarily their children.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 4:12:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

disasfaeries@... writes:

That is so sick I can't imagine what she was trying to accomplish by

telling you that.

--- In _WTOAdultChildren1@WTOAdultChilWTO_

(mailto:WTOAdultChildren1 ) , Hummingbird1298@, Humm

>

> My mother used to say to me, " do you know I could just kill you right

now

> and there is nothing you can do about it. "

>

> Ugh.

>

>

> In a message dated 1/30/2010 11:25:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> sleddog@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> that could very well be, Doug...my nada threatened to kill us many

> times..maybe I had an older sister/brother I never knew about because

she

> killed them !! and since we moved several times during my childhood, it

> could have happened several times !!

>

> Jackie

>

> Now how to we KNOW our nadas didnt kill someone, bury the body, and

> gaslight about it. We d NEVER know. What seemed like a normal life, took

> a turn for the bizarre, as we found ourselves in

>

> The Twilight Zone.

>

> Ever think about that? Huh? Huh? Huh?

>

> ( you ll have to inject the music yourself, guys. )

>

> Doug

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

[Guest guest]

my mother always made me responsible for her emotions...she always, always,

always blamed other people for how she felt and reacted.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 3:56:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sleddog@... writes:

not my nada...it was always our fault she went into a rage, we " made her "

do it !! yes, I remember well holding a gun to her head and saying " rage

at

us or I'll blow your brains out!! "

Jackie

I remember in a few of her rages that she might have felt a twinge of

guilt, but then she would come back with, " why do you think you deserve

anything? nobody ever gave me anything! "

[Guest guest]

I agree. They thrive on the drama and high emotions they elicit on everyone

around them. It's so destructive, their behavior.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 5:00:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sleddog@... writes:

that's right...and with my nada, I think she ENJOYED fighting/yelling at

someone, so there was always high drama around home..

Jackie

I have come to the realization that bpd's don't really need a motive to say

what they say. I think they react on such distorted emotions and wrong

perceptions that they spew their anger at the weakest people around

them...primarily their children.

[Guest guest]

I think that was true in my family too. I don't think she consciously did

it...but

she didn't think of the consequences. It's hard to separate that from people

who

are just plain suicidal.

Re: Re: anyone remember?

My mother used to say to me, " do you know I could just kill you right now

and there is nothing you can do about it. "

Ugh.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 11:25:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

_sleddog@..._ (mailto:sleddog@...) writes:

that could very well be, Doug...my nada threatened to kill us many

times..maybe I had an older sister/brother I never knew about because she

killed them !! and since we moved several times during my childhood, it

could have happened several times !!

Jackie

Now how to we KNOW our nadas didnt kill someone, bury the body, and

gaslight about it. We d NEVER know. What seemed like a normal life, took

a turn for the bizarre, as we found ourselves in

The Twilight Zone.

Ever think about that? Huh? Huh? Huh?

( you ll have to inject the music yourself, guys. )

Doug

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[Guest guest]

And everything was over-the-top dramatic too. It could be natural childhood

thing you've done wrong and nada would act like it was

the.end.of.the.freaking.world. I felt like my punishments never ended. If I told

a lie, I was

reminded for weeks, MONTHS, even years with some things, about what I had

done.

In a message dated 1/30/2010 5:02:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sleddog@... writes:

yup, same here...it was always someone who MADE her react ....I once told

her she gets mad because she LIKES to be mad..otherwise she would try to

control herself...oooh.control herself...oooh.<WBR>..wrong thing to

say...anoth

for my mouth washed out with ivory soap...

Jackie

my mother always made me responsible for her emotions...she always, always,

always blamed other people for how she felt and reacted.

[Guest guest]

That is so sick I can't imagine what she was trying to accomplish by telling you

that.

>

> My mother used to say to me, " do you know I could just kill you right now

> and there is nothing you can do about it. "

>

> Ugh.

>

>

> In a message dated 1/30/2010 11:25:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> sleddog@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> that could very well be, Doug...my nada threatened to kill us many

> times..maybe I had an older sister/brother I never knew about because she

> killed them !! and since we moved several times during my childhood, it

> could have happened several times !!

>

> Jackie

>

> Now how to we KNOW our nadas didnt kill someone, bury the body, and

> gaslight about it. We d NEVER know. What seemed like a normal life, took

> a turn for the bizarre, as we found ourselves in

>

> The Twilight Zone.

>

> Ever think about that? Huh? Huh? Huh?

>

> ( you ll have to inject the music yourself, guys. )

>

> Doug

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, Doug...WOW. I'm sure that did put the fear in you like I can't imagine.

While I suspect my nada would have liked to kill us or herself she didn't

directly threaten us and so there wasn't much of a reason for other people to

think she was bad for us. If I suspected a neighbor was doing that to her kids

I'd call the authorities to take the kids away.

She had no right to put you through that and I'm so sorry you had to deal with

growing up and parenting your nada simultaneously.

Once,

> when I was about 14, and she and my dad were in the process of

> splitting up, she left a confrontation with him, with me in the car, and

> , screaming hysterically, pointed the car at a bridge abuttment and

> floored it. Of course, we were some distance from it, but at that

> moment I feared for my life and took the wheel and turned off the key.

>

> At this point, she screamed at me, in a high , shrill sound like a dying

> animal, her face blood red, telling me NEVER to do that again, did I

> know how dangerous it was to grab the wheel when someone was driving a

> car? You could have got us killed!

[Guest guest]

LOL! I almost wish I could use that one...

>

> " I'm not sure if I WILL feel guilty. Let's give it a try and see. "

>

[Guest guest]

I have to highly recommend it to everyone here, then.

***Please read " Until the Twelfth of Never: Deadly Divorce of Dan and Betty

Broderick " ***

if you are running out of good books, this one hit home for me.

>

> Disa, the book you read was: " Until the Twelfth of Never: Deadly Divorce of

Dan and Betty Broderick "

>

>

>

> Deanna

[Guest guest]

Hi , I paid dearly for my " smartass " ways, though, and I wonder if

your sister did as well. Nada was ALWAYS mad at me, even if I didn't say/do

anything..I learned a long time ago there was no pleasing her so I mostly

stropped trying, and started making my own little digs back at her....but I

was always getting grounded for 2 weeks for this or that, when my siblings

if they did the same thing, were just yelled at...plus other things...my

siblings were allowed much more freedom that I ever was, so that was my way

of rebelling.. my sisters curfew was 11 on week days and 1 on weekends..I

wasn't allowed out on week days, and my curfew was 10 on weekends...even

when I was older then the age my sister was at when she could stay out

later. I never did anything wrong when out.. I wasn't a wild kid, and I was

NOT rebellious or a smartass to anyone except nada..

Jackie

Hi Jackie,

You remind me of my sister~ she was able to fight with my mom and give it

all

right back to her. I used to get mad at her, when I was younger, but then I

was glad,

because I could never do it. I thought she was brave that way. She stood

up to what I

think is almost the scariest thing there is....a raging hair-trigger nada!

~patricia

[Guest guest]

when my nada would say these things, I always thought it was to instill fear

in us, and to keep the control and upper hand...

Jackie

That is so sick I can't imagine what she was trying to accomplish by telling

you that.

[Guest guest]

I got to the point where I dont want any one mad at me, but if they are,

then I'll deal with it if they ever tell me...

my main thing is I dont like confrontation and will do almost anything to

avoid it...

Jackie

I was always in trouble and someone mad at me too. unfortunately, now it

makes me always wonder who's mad at me and I drive my therapist nuts

thinking

she's mad about something.