Re: frustrated with behavior-OT

March 19, 2004

Hi Kathy, The feingold literature says that a child should be in stage one for

about 6 weeks to see results, after that you can move on to stage two. With

younger kids sometimes you see the results earlier. So if your daughter had been

eating salicylates for a while it may take longer then 2 weeks to clear her

system from it. I do not know about the supplements, feingold had a list of

supplements there were ok for their program. I know that the flavored

supernuthera was not OK in their list, and that is when I stopped given my son

the supernuthera.

As I told you before, my son used to bite his nail a lot, and to pick at the

corner of his cuticles until it bled. These SI behaviors are completely gone at

this point for him and I truly attribute it to the feingold program. I see the

behavior return if an infraction with the high salicylate food is done. I do not

remember how long it took for it to go away the first time, as I was not doing

feingold for that reason ( I did not know it was related, every body used to say

was sensory problems). I was doing mainly due to his hyperactivity and short

attention span. Later on when I was reading more of the info from feingold

material is that I saw they had nail biting as one of the behaviors and that is

when I connected the dots. So I guess I would say short of checking if that is

any salicylates hidden in the supplements, I would give a little more time. Also

even though golden delicious are considered lower in salicylates, to this day my

son can not tolerate any apples. His system just can't process it I guess. So I

avoid it. I am going to start him on No Phenol soon and hope it will help.

---- Original Message -----

From: Kathy Hudson

To: pecanbread

Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:35 PM

Subject: frustrated with behavior-OT

Hi all, I have done scd for a month and taken out the high phenol foods for

about two weeks I guess. Abby is still picking at her fingernails! This is one

of my biggest frustrations! Any advice on this? Does it take awhile to get the

phenols out of the system.? Otherwise she is doing pretty good. I try not to

focus on it but she'll do it sometimes until they bleed. They look horrible! Any

advice for me I would surely appreciate. She is eating a very basic diet of

meat, green beans, carrots, pears, golden d. apples, eggs, cashew butter,

diluted pineapple juice, mango and that's about it. She takes sulfasazalzine,

calcium, magnesium citrate and cream, vit,C, multi-vitamin, prilosec. I plan to

add in a probiotic soon. Thanks,

Kathy

Abby's mom

SCD since 2-21-04

March 20, 2004

Thanks , I guess 2 weeks hasn't been long enough but I just get so

upset when I see her fingers bleeding. I am going to stop the golden

delicious. What about carrot. Can you give too much of that? I also

thought about it today and realized that I gave her Kirkman's Children's

Multiple Vitamin and Mineral supplement today (half of the dose) and I tried

it about a week ago (full dose) and she really seemed to act different

behavior-wise. I am thinking she can't handle that multiple. Did you join

the Feingold group? I guess it's a fee to get all the literature, right? Do

you know of any multiple vitamins that are legal and low salicylate? Thanks

so much for the support and help!

Kathy in NC

Abby's mom

SCD since 2-21-04

frustrated with behavior-OT

>

> Hi all, I have done scd for a month and taken out the high phenol foods

for about two weeks I guess. Abby is still picking at her fingernails!

This is one of my biggest frustrations! Any advice on this? Does it take

awhile to get the phenols out of the system.? Otherwise she is doing pretty

good. I try not to focus on it but she'll do it sometimes until they bleed.

They look horrible! Any advice for me I would surely appreciate. She is

eating a very basic diet of meat, green beans, carrots, pears, golden d.

apples, eggs, cashew butter, diluted pineapple juice, mango and that's about

it. She takes sulfasazalzine, calcium, magnesium citrate and cream, vit,C,

multi-vitamin, prilosec. I plan to add in a probiotic soon. Thanks,

> Kathy

> Abby's mom

> SCD since 2-21-04

>

March 20, 2004

Hi Kathy

There is a fee to join them I think it was $ 65. I think the renewals are less.

Don't remember. The literature is good, and you get a newsletter often with good

material on it. And they always update the products tested and give you new

additions and deletions. However, for kids like ours that is really not that

useful because most products are certainly not scd legal. Remember their main

concern is the effect of salicylates on children with ADD/ADHD. So for people

following GFCF and SCD is of not that much use. I told you I was never able to

leave stage one with my son, much less the more advanced part of the program.

So, I don't know if it would be the best investment. I joined way before SCD. As

a general rule, I would think that the hypoallergenic formulas with no flavoring

and coloring would be ok with feingold. I'll look for the material tonight and

check for the supplements and send you a post on the vitamins listed. They will

be ok as far as feingold but you would need to check for scd. I know they have

it broken down by lab and Kirkman was included. I'll send you a post tomorrow.