Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 Hi, I was just researching on vanilla when your post popped up. I need to buy some good vanilla and came across a site for vanilla powder Ground Vanilla Bean Powder, 1 oz. Made from just pure ground premium Madagascar bourbon vanilla beans It said that 1/4 tsp is equal to 1 tsp of vanilla extract pure in alcohol. When I was searching I saw one fermented in 100% corn alcohol. This is why my ? is ground vanilla beans legal? I e-mailed the company to make sure that nothing was added to prevent it from clumping. Had not thought about Phenols for vanilla it is not on the chart at all. (I e-mailed the allergy technician to ask.) We may be noticing a possible problem with sal. phen. too. Not sure yet. Blessings, Doreen, scd day 9 asd 12, scd day 9 !! salicylate/vanilla?? I see there are many participating now, who have experience with Feingold or having to limit salicylates. It's so exciting for me to have folks I can bounce these ideas off of!! In past, I'd use that word and people look at me like I'm speaking another language, gets kinda lonely. Ok - so my question, have you all had your children react to vanilla? It is SCD legal. I've tossed back and forth on this with Luke. I think I'm seeing a cumulative phenolic reaction in him this week, not an obvious off-the-wall reaction, but a build up all week. At first I thought it was just his seasonal allergies making him whiney/moody, but the stimmy stuff is coming back now, too, so here I am again wracking my brain (don't you all get REALLY tired of that whole process?) He has had bad reactions to synthetic vanillin, that I know for sure. But this stuff is supposed to be " pure " ... still, it's concentrated, and my experience is that anything concentrated is bad news. I've never cooked this much from scratch before so I can't compare to anything. Anyway, just wondering... everything else I know of is low (fruits, veggies, spices, etc), so I'm honing in on the vanilla? in NC, USA mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; SCD going since 1/26/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 , Did you notice on the website listing salicylates in foods that most spices are very high except garlic, parsley, chives, coriander, vinegar, horseradish and tandori spice? I would like to know about vanilla too. I will check that website again. Kathy Abby's mom SCD 3 weeks salicylate/vanilla?? > I see there are many participating now, who have experience with Feingold or having to limit salicylates. It's so exciting for me to have folks I can bounce these ideas off of!! In past, I'd use that word and people look at me like I'm speaking another language, gets kinda lonely. > > Ok - so my question, have you all had your children react to vanilla? It is SCD legal. I've tossed back and forth on this with Luke. I think I'm seeing a cumulative phenolic reaction in him this week, not an obvious off-the-wall reaction, but a build up all week. At first I thought it was just his seasonal allergies making him whiney/moody, but the stimmy stuff is coming back now, too, so here I am again wracking my brain (don't you all get REALLY tired of that whole process?) He has had bad reactions to synthetic vanillin, that I know for sure. But this stuff is supposed to be " pure " ... still, it's concentrated, and my experience is that anything concentrated is bad news. I've never cooked this much from scratch before so I can't compare to anything. > > Anyway, just wondering... everything else I know of is low (fruits, veggies, spices, etc), so I'm honing in on the vanilla? > > in NC, USA > mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; > , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; > SCD going since 1/26/04 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 It's such a mind game. I'm pretty well confused on the whole vanilla issue, too. Not even sure that's what's bothering him, but the only new thing he's had this week has been the " cookie cutter cookies " . He's been dying for a snack so I made some Tuesday and cut them into very small hearts. I only allow him ONE a day after a meal. The nut flour, I ground practically to BUTTER, has not bothered him so far as far as BM's go, so I thought we were safe with them. But this cumulative phenol type behavior has gradually gotten worse all week... and the only ingredient in them that could possibly bother him is the 2 tsp of vanilla. That's a bit more than any other recipe I've made. Of course, sadly, he LOVES these cookies and the vanilla is what is making them taste so yummy, since we can't use honey either. Pretty frustrating, but if I can just pinpoint what the problem is, we can solve it. I just hate when I don't know. For now, cutting vanilla out of all recipes for a week and going to see what I can tell from that. Sure makes no-fenol tempting. Still wavering there... I'm so afraid to rock the boat. He's doing so well most of the time, just don't know... in NC, USA mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; SCD going since 1/26/04 salicylate/vanilla?? > > > I see there are many participating now, who have experience with Feingold or having to limit salicylates. It's so exciting for me to have folks I can bounce these ideas off of!! In past, I'd use that word and people look at me like I'm speaking another language, gets kinda lonely. > > Ok - so my question, have you all had your children react to vanilla? It is SCD legal. I've tossed back and forth on this with Luke. I think I'm seeing a cumulative phenolic reaction in him this week, not an obvious off-the-wall reaction, but a build up all week. At first I thought it was just his seasonal allergies making him whiney/moody, but the stimmy stuff is coming back now, too, so here I am again wracking my brain (don't you all get REALLY tired of that whole process?) He has had bad reactions to synthetic vanillin, that I know for sure. But this stuff is supposed to be " pure " ... still, it's concentrated, and my experience is that anything concentrated is bad news. I've never cooked this much from scratch before so I can't compare to anything. > > Anyway, just wondering... everything else I know of is low (fruits, veggies, spices, etc), so I'm honing in on the vanilla? > > in NC, USA > mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; > , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; > SCD going since 1/26/04 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 Yes, which is why Luke gets a lot of garlic! Poor kid! He'd sure love some cinnamon or nutmeg in some of these recipes, too. in NC, USA mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; SCD going since 1/26/04 salicylate/vanilla?? > > > > I see there are many participating now, who have experience with Feingold > or having to limit salicylates. It's so exciting for me to have folks I can > bounce these ideas off of!! In past, I'd use that word and people look at > me like I'm speaking another language, gets kinda lonely. > > > > Ok - so my question, have you all had your children react to vanilla? It > is SCD legal. I've tossed back and forth on this with Luke. I think I'm > seeing a cumulative phenolic reaction in him this week, not an obvious > off-the-wall reaction, but a build up all week. At first I thought it was > just his seasonal allergies making him whiney/moody, but the stimmy stuff is > coming back now, too, so here I am again wracking my brain (don't you all > get REALLY tired of that whole process?) He has had bad reactions to > synthetic vanillin, that I know for sure. But this stuff is supposed to be > " pure " ... still, it's concentrated, and my experience is that anything > concentrated is bad news. I've never cooked this much from scratch before > so I can't compare to anything. > > > > Anyway, just wondering... everything else I know of is low (fruits, > veggies, spices, etc), so I'm honing in on the vanilla? > > > > in NC, USA > > mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; > > , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; > > SCD going since 1/26/04 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 , I think I found something!! Rather lengthy and scientific, but I skimmed it and coped one paragraph for you. It was at http://www.newtreatments.org/Sulfur/ga/252 Following the Feingold diet plan will benefit these kids by exclusion of foods known to include phenols. Salicylates, dyes, sodium benzoate, BHA, BHT, FD & C yellow dye #5 (tartrazine), vanillin, eugenol are all phenolic compounds. My allergytechnician I e-mailed is no longer there. Hope this helps, Blessings, Doreen scd day 9 asd 12, scd day 9!! Re: salicylate/vanilla?? It's such a mind game. I'm pretty well confused on the whole vanilla issue, too. Not even sure that's what's bothering him, but the only new thing he's had this week has been the " cookie cutter cookies " . He's been dying for a snack so I made some Tuesday and cut them into very small hearts. I only allow him ONE a day after a meal. The nut flour, I ground practically to BUTTER, has not bothered him so far as far as BM's go, so I thought we were safe with them. But this cumulative phenol type behavior has gradually gotten worse all week... and the only ingredient in them that could possibly bother him is the 2 tsp of vanilla. That's a bit more than any other recipe I've made. Of course, sadly, he LOVES these cookies and the vanilla is what is making them taste so yummy, since we can't use honey either. Pretty frustrating, but if I can just pinpoint what the problem is, we can solve it. I just hate when I don't know. For now, cutting vanilla out of all recipes for a week and going to see what I can tell from that. Sure makes no-fenol tempting. Still wavering there... I'm so afraid to rock the boat. He's doing so well most of the time, just don't know... in NC, USA mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; SCD going since 1/26/04 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 Kathy and , The salicylate value on vanilla essence liquid is .01 mg/serving size of 1 tsp : cinnamon is .30/1tsp. vs. zucchini is .79 mg/ serving of 1/2 cup. This is according to the allergytechnician chart. Blessings, Doreen salicylate/vanilla?? > I see there are many participating now, who have experience with Feingold or having to limit salicylates. It's so exciting for me to have folks I can bounce these ideas off of!! In past, I'd use that word and people look at me like I'm speaking another language, gets kinda lonely. > > Ok - so my question, have you all had your children react to vanilla? It is SCD legal. I've tossed back and forth on this with Luke. I think I'm seeing a cumulative phenolic reaction in him this week, not an obvious off-the-wall reaction, but a build up all week. At first I thought it was just his seasonal allergies making him whiney/moody, but the stimmy stuff is coming back now, too, so here I am again wracking my brain (don't you all get REALLY tired of that whole process?) He has had bad reactions to synthetic vanillin, that I know for sure. But this stuff is supposed to be " pure " ... still, it's concentrated, and my experience is that anything concentrated is bad news. I've never cooked this much from scratch before so I can't compare to anything. > > Anyway, just wondering... everything else I know of is low (fruits, veggies, spices, etc), so I'm honing in on the vanilla? > > in NC, USA > mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; > , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; > SCD going since 1/26/04 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 vanillin This is artificial vanilla flavoring, not true vanilla... Jody mom to -5 and -7 SCD 13 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 Yup, should've recognized that. Thanks Jody on the vanillin. Blessings, Doreen Re: salicylate/vanilla?? vanillin This is artificial vanilla flavoring, not true vanilla... Jody mom to -5 and -7 SCD 13 months For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 Well, that is minimal... I'm so confused. I just read that long article. It is very informative but depressing, somewhat, and probably moreso because I'm reading it when I'm about to drop off asleep. I feel like, right now, I'll never get a handle on this or get it all right for him. But that is when I have to trust the Lord to show me what to do next, what is right. Better get this stuff out of the oven and go to BED, Thanks for your help, in NC, USA mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; SCD going since 1/26/04 salicylate/vanilla?? > > > > I see there are many participating now, who have experience with Feingold > or having to limit salicylates. It's so exciting for me to have folks I can > bounce these ideas off of!! In past, I'd use that word and people look at > me like I'm speaking another language, gets kinda lonely. > > > > Ok - so my question, have you all had your children react to vanilla? It > is SCD legal. I've tossed back and forth on this with Luke. I think I'm > seeing a cumulative phenolic reaction in him this week, not an obvious > off-the-wall reaction, but a build up all week. At first I thought it was > just his seasonal allergies making him whiney/moody, but the stimmy stuff is > coming back now, too, so here I am again wracking my brain (don't you all > get REALLY tired of that whole process?) He has had bad reactions to > synthetic vanillin, that I know for sure. But this stuff is supposed to be > " pure " ... still, it's concentrated, and my experience is that anything > concentrated is bad news. I've never cooked this much from scratch before > so I can't compare to anything. > > > > Anyway, just wondering... everything else I know of is low (fruits, > veggies, spices, etc), so I'm honing in on the vanilla? > > > > in NC, USA > > mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; > > , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; > > SCD going since 1/26/04 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 Thank you! salicylate/vanilla?? > > > > I see there are many participating now, who have experience with Feingold > or having to limit salicylates. It's so exciting for me to have folks I can > bounce these ideas off of!! In past, I'd use that word and people look at > me like I'm speaking another language, gets kinda lonely. > > > > Ok - so my question, have you all had your children react to vanilla? It > is SCD legal. I've tossed back and forth on this with Luke. I think I'm > seeing a cumulative phenolic reaction in him this week, not an obvious > off-the-wall reaction, but a build up all week. At first I thought it was > just his seasonal allergies making him whiney/moody, but the stimmy stuff is > coming back now, too, so here I am again wracking my brain (don't you all > get REALLY tired of that whole process?) He has had bad reactions to > synthetic vanillin, that I know for sure. But this stuff is supposed to be > " pure " ... still, it's concentrated, and my experience is that anything > concentrated is bad news. I've never cooked this much from scratch before > so I can't compare to anything. > > > > Anyway, just wondering... everything else I know of is low (fruits, > veggies, spices, etc), so I'm honing in on the vanilla? > > > > in NC, USA > > mom to Luke, 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; > > , 3, healthy;,19mos,healthy; > > SCD going since 1/26/04 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 Hi , Has there been any change recently in Luke's bm's or is it just behavioural? You've been using lots of garlic etc. natural antimicrobials? Sheila > Well, that is minimal... I'm so confused. .... > I feel like, right now, I'll never get a handle on this or get it all right > for him. But that is when I have to trust the Lord to show me what to do > next, what is right. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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