RE: Chix nuggets, idiot teachers, and sad kids -- I'm weighin in!!

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Did you order these on-line or from the grocery?? I keep asking about the Ian's products at my Wild Oats store, but they don't know if or when they might carry them. They did get the Wellshire Farms Chicken Nuggets back in though -- I swear the bag is smaller & the price bigger!!

Also, my (long) 2-cents on all of the kiddo issues......As you may or may not remember (or care) that my celiac also has Down Syndrome, so being different has been a "sentence" from the start. It's what scared me the most for him when he was born. We have had our ups & downs (no pun intended) through the years, but I am so used to him being seen differently that I can still look at the Celiac dx as a blessing (he was almost 5 yo & weighed 25 lbs.). This year we have a classroom teacher who is so supportive - instead of cake, etc. for their holiday party, she had each child bring there favorite piece of fruit & while the kids went to PE, she spent her planning period cutting up the fruit & they all had fruit salad for their "treat" - so great! We also have had a terrific Spec.Ed. teacher who "got it" from day 1 (so rare) - she went out & bought gf penne for the whole class to string, so the classroom wouldn't become contaminated!!! Fortunately, we have some new friends who we met thru other friends, because the 5 yo is newly dx w/celiac, but unfortunately, they are having a difficult time with the classroom teacher too!! They go to private school, so it's hard for me to know how to coach that mom, since the school is not "required" to accommodate IDEA. But of course, to me, common decency factor would be to make the situation as easy for the child as possible, no matter what the school situation.

To the other extreme, my son turned 8 this week & at his birthday party, I bought a big cake from Sam's for everyone, decorated w/Shrek which he loves, so I let him blow the candle out on the Shrek cake, but then had to remind him (in front of all the kids) NOT to touch the Shrek cake, and then gave him his own gf cupcake. I was kicking myself!!! Since he doesn't express his emotions like other kiddos, it's so hard to know if this bothered him or not!! He seemed happy enough, but I don't ever know!!

Lastly, on a funny note, my 5 yo was jealous of something the 8 yo was getting to do for Speech therapy, and stormed out of the room & screamed, "I wish I had Down Syndrome!"

So basically, I'm convinced, all of my kids are going to be emotionally scared by one thing or the other. I never know if I'm doing the right thing for any of them - in the kitchen or out, and I try to be grateful for our lot in life (somehow) everyday. I know I am grateful to Melonie & to all of you, just for letting there be a place that I feel safe to vent when I need to!

On the good days, be grateful, on the bad days, find someone to lean on.

Best wishes to all of you & your kids!! (I'll be praying for all the teachers!!)

in Nashville

Re: Chix nuggets, idiot teachers, and sad kids

I am all about convenience, and I recently purchased acase each of the Ian's allergen free chicken nuggets and fish sticks.

We also love Dr. Praeger's Fish Sticks. The are coated with potato, and are probably like the homemade chicken nuggets in flavor, coating-wise. You can find them in the kosher frozen foods section. Yum!

Dana, Gloriously GF

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>>So basically, I'm convinced, all of my kids are going to be emotionally scared by one thing or the other.<<

The bottom line is that none of us are perfect parents, and if we were and had perfect kids that would be boring! Who wants to grow up without anything to pin on your parents?? ;-) As long as you love your children, show them that every day, and do the best you can to care for and protect them then consider it a job well done!

From: Maslan Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:03 PMTo: SillyYaks Subject: Re: Chix nuggets, idiot teachers, and sad kids -- I'm weighin in!!

Did you order these on-line or from the grocery?? I keep asking about the Ian's products at my Wild Oats store, but they don't know if or when they might carry them. They did get the Wellshire Farms Chicken Nuggets back in though -- I swear the bag is smaller & the price bigger!!

Also, my (long) 2-cents on all of the kiddo issues......As you may or may not remember (or care) that my celiac also has Down Syndrome, so being different has been a "sentence" from the start. It's what scared me the most for him when he was born. We have had our ups & downs (no pun intended) through the years, but I am so used to him being seen differently that I can still look at the Celiac dx as a blessing (he was almost 5 yo & weighed 25 lbs.). This year we have a classroom teacher who is so supportive - instead of cake, etc. for their holiday party, she had each child bring there favorite piece of fruit & while the kids went to PE, she spent her planning period cutting up the fruit & they all had fruit salad for their "treat" - so great! We also have had a terrific Spec.Ed. teacher who "got it" from day 1 (so rare) - she went out & bought gf penne for the whole class to string, so the classroom wouldn't become contaminated!!! Fortunately, we have some new friends who we met thru other friends, because the 5 yo is newly dx w/celiac, but unfortunately, they are having a difficult time with the classroom teacher too!! They go to private school, so it's hard for me to know how to coach that mom, since the school is not "required" to accommodate IDEA. But of course, to me, common decency factor would be to make the situation as easy for the child as possible, no matter what the school situation.

To the other extreme, my son turned 8 this week & at his birthday party, I bought a big cake from Sam's for everyone, decorated w/Shrek which he loves, so I let him blow the candle out on the Shrek cake, but then had to remind him (in front of all the kids) NOT to touch the Shrek cake, and then gave him his own gf cupcake. I was kicking myself!!! Since he doesn't express his emotions like other kiddos, it's so hard to know if this bothered him or not!! He seemed happy enough, but I don't ever know!!

Lastly, on a funny note, my 5 yo was jealous of something the 8 yo was getting to do for Speech therapy, and stormed out of the room & screamed, "I wish I had Down Syndrome!"

So basically, I'm convinced, all of my kids are going to be emotionally scared by one thing or the other. I never know if I'm doing the right thing for any of them - in the kitchen or out, and I try to be grateful for our lot in life (somehow) everyday. I know I am grateful to Melonie & to all of you, just for letting there be a place that I feel safe to vent when I need to!

On the good days, be grateful, on the bad days, find someone to lean on.

Best wishes to all of you & your kids!! (I'll be praying for all the teachers!!)

in Nashville

Re: Chix nuggets, idiot teachers, and sad kids

I am all about convenience, and I recently purchased acase each of the Ian's allergen free chicken nuggets and fish sticks.

We also love Dr. Praeger's Fish Sticks. The are coated with potato, and are probably like the homemade chicken nuggets in flavor, coating-wise. You can find them in the kosher frozen foods section. Yum!

Dana, Gloriously GF

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Please don't make someone feel bad for doing something innocently.

From: K. Oland Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:18 PMTo: SillyYaks Subject: RE: Chix nuggets, idiot teachers, and sad kids -- I'm weighin in!!

Federal courts have held that ny school, private or no, must abide by504/ada standards, if any federal money is involve or if the schoold is arecognized part of the local school system (as most must be, to meet legalrequirements that you have your child in school). Sadly, private schools ingeneral and religious schools in particular are heavy offenders in this area(usually legal action is required to force them to abide by laws they feelthey are above).As to the birthday cake - shame on you! You should have made a gf cake withshrek decorations and a plain one for everyone else. Nothing makes a kidfeel better than to have the other kids want his special cake (or worse thannot even being allowed to eat his own birthday cake and told that in frontof all his friends).-----Original Message-----From: MaslanFortunately, we have some new friends who we met thru other friends, becausethe 5 yo is newly dx w/celiac, but unfortunately, they are having adifficult time with the classroom teacher too!! They go to private school,so it's hard for me to know how to coach that mom, since the school is not"required" to accommodate IDEA. But of course, to me, common decency factorwould be to make the situation as easy for the child as possible, no matterwhat the school situation.To the other extreme, my son turned 8 this week & at his birthday party, Ibought a big cake from Sam's for everyone, decorated w/Shrek which he loves,so I let him blow the candle out on the Shrek cake, but then had to remindhim (in front of all the kids) NOT to touch the Shrek cake, and then gavehim his own gf cupcake. I was kicking myself!!! Since he doesn't expresshis emotions like other kiddos, it's so hard to know if this bothered him ornot!! He seemed happy enough, but I don't ever know!!---[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

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> Federal courts have held that ny school, private or no, must abide by

> 504/ada standards, if any federal money is involve or if the schoold

is a

> recognized part of the local school system (as most must be, to meet

legal

> requirements that you have your child in school). Sadly, private

schools in

> general and religious schools in particular are heavy offenders in

this area

> (usually legal action is required to force them to abide by laws

they feel

> they are above).

Actually, the law is pretty clear that religous school (which aren't

even eligible for public money in most cases) are exempt from the ADA

and 504 standards. Last summer I had several conversations with the

Department of Justice ADA enforcement office regarding a summer camp

my son was in - it was run by the city Rec. dept. and very much

subject to the ADA. I also asked the DOJ staffers about Catholic

schools - and they verified for me that religous schools are not

subject to the ADA or 504 regulations.

[Guest guest]

It depends on if the religious school is part of teh school system (and if

it participates in the sports leagues, as well). There was a court case

(which I don't have handy, but read late last year).

There are catholic schools that include 504 info on their web pages, so not

all are as obnoxious as the many that keep being reported as problems. And

not all tenured teachers are as bad as the ones that " forget " every single

day and plop cake onto celiac children's desk (and don't get out their gf

snacks), then tell the kid to just not eat it.

> -----Original Message-----

>

> Actually, the law is pretty clear that religous school (which aren't

> even eligible for public money in most cases) are exempt from the ADA

> and 504 standards. Last summer I had several conversations with the

> Department of Justice ADA enforcement office regarding a summer camp

> my son was in - it was run by the city Rec. dept. and very much

> subject to the ADA. I also asked the DOJ staffers about Catholic

> schools - and they verified for me that religous schools are not

> subject to the ADA or 504 regulations.

>

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I think what the issue is, is if they receive any federal or state monies (ie, tuitions from districts that do not have a school for instance) they must comply but otherwise it's a private institution and they can discriminate all they want. (ok maybe that was a little harsh, but you get the idea)

From: marcianar@... Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:12 PMTo: SillyYaks Subject: Re: Chix nuggets, idiot teachers, and sad kids -- I'm weighin in!!

If you can find any more info on the case you cite, I'd like to readit as what you've writen is opposite of all the info I've seen on thisbefore, including the info the DOJ gave me. In what are of the countryare Catholic schools part of the local school system, as that iscontrary to national Church policy?> It depends on if the religious school is part of teh school system(and if> it participates in the sports leagues, as well). There was a court case> (which I don't have handy, but read late last year).> > There are catholic schools that include 504 info on their web pages,so not> all are as obnoxious as the many that keep being reported asproblems. And> not all tenured teachers are as bad as the ones that "forget" everysingle> day and plop cake onto celiac children's desk (and don't get outtheir gf> snacks), then tell the kid to just not eat it.> > > -----Original Message-----> >> > Actually, the law is pretty clear that religous school (which aren't> > even eligible for public money in most cases) are exempt from the ADA> > and 504 standards. Last summer I had several conversations with the> > Department of Justice ADA enforcement office regarding a summer camp> > my son was in - it was run by the city Rec. dept. and very much> > subject to the ADA. I also asked the DOJ staffers about Catholic> > schools - and they verified for me that religous schools are not> > subject to the ADA or 504 regulations.> >> > ---> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

[Guest guest]

Based on what we've been learning in my Constitutional Law class, I

would say that Brigette pretty much said it.

C

[Guest guest]

It was mid-west ish? I thought it was even cited here last year, but could

be mistaken.

Actually, nearly all religious schools are at neast nominal parts of the

school system. They participate in sports and other programs, their schools

are automatically ok for meeting child education requirements (unlike some

homeschools), they are accredited, etc. They are exempt from certain

requirements, but not others (for example, if the state requires certain

classes to get a diploma, they have to comply -- this ensures their students

take enough math, english, etc, to keep up with other kids). On the other

hand, they (and other private schools) are allowed to do other things that

will get a public school in trouble: to force their religion upon all

students (some of whom may be of other faiths, but attend for the perceived

better education). The schools and many other functions (day cares, coffee

shops, etc) of churches are specifically excluded from the religous

exemptions most churches operate under as well - thus they must pay taxes

(but are allowed to discriminate against employees of other faiths,

non-compliance of employees with the chosen faith, etc).

One problem if the school is catholic - they can require communion, which

involves wheat. Kind of kills the whole idea of getting a 504 to eliminate

exposure to wheat, doesn't it? The best you can do is " low-gluten " exposure.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: marcianar@...

>

> If you can find any more info on the case you cite, I'd like to read

> it as what you've writen is opposite of all the info I've seen on this

> before, including the info the DOJ gave me. In what are of the country

> are Catholic schools part of the local school system, as that is

> contrary to national Church policy?

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[Guest guest]

Hi ....

Are you a lawyer...? Just curious, because you sound like one in

the way you talk (You remind me of so many of my profs here!)

Take care..

C