Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 We are on day 8.I think we found a sensitivity to phenols. We started off with the intro diet for 3 days. Have been adding legals in slowly. Tryed the grape juice jello made with straight grape juice not cut with water. We had this toward eve. and both of us were up all night. I made applesauce with golden delicious apples (concerned about phenols) and he said yuck too sweet. Made granny smith applesauce and gave some this morning. He has been slightly hyper and has some smelly gas (has horrible gas pre-scd not since starting). I guess my ? is to phenol/ salic. people. We have no rash or red ears. We have in the last few days eaten some green beans , banana, and then the applesauce. I am on day 2 of applesauce but only day 1 of the granny smith one. Should I give him more to see if this is the culprit or will I not be able to tell since he had green beans & ban. yesterday? No green beans today and only 1/2 banana. Feeling a bit overwhelmed. sorry... Blessings, Doreen scd day 8 asd 12, scd day 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 -Doreen, It's really impossible to know for " sure " until you take him off salicylates completely, and then add them back to test. I have had mine tested for phenols in apples, and tomatoes using Provocation/Neutralization technique, but that's alot of trouble, and may or may not be definitive. And since you are in the middle of the hardest part of the program, you probably don't want to get involved in some testing, so let me share some things that we've been doing to keep the phenols at bay. We have found our situation hard but not unbearable (except maybe for day 1 & 2), but not because of the reaction to phenols, I think its more the release of toxins. We eat only pears (must be peeled and baked/cooked) or bananas for fruits/sweets, and try to keep them to a reasonable amount. Juices are too concentrated, and so are the jellos made from them. We did only one day of intro, skipped to stage 1 so we could have green beans, spinach and zuchini (must be peeled). Next day we went to stage 2 to get more variety. I think we'll stay here for awhile. Cashew butter is a big hit...tastes like frosting. My most sensitive can't eat any other kind of nut at this time, I don't know why, but they give him headaches. It hasn't been perfect, the first couple of days has been really hard on their body. I just keep trying to feed them alot of protein and fat so they feel satisfied, and I let them rest when tired. Sleep patterns are off, but they have been off before diet. Magnesium Citrate is a very good supplement, but try to get a legal one. We are also taking the multivitamins and other supplements. I don't know if they help or not. Olive oil aggravates phenolic sensitives, so does coconut oil. Eggs do cause problems with my oldest, and I never would have known unless I hadn't eliminated them after a positive allergy test result. Blessings, Kathy H., 8 & 10 chemically sensitive, low salicylates 5 years -- In pecanbread , " indiana3lady " <theanimallover@s...> wrote: > We are on day 8.I think we found a sensitivity to phenols. > We started off with the intro diet for 3 days. Have been adding > legals in slowly. Tryed the grape juice jello made with straight > grape juice not cut with water. We had this toward eve. and both of > us were up all night. > I made applesauce with golden delicious apples (concerned about > phenols) and he said yuck too sweet. Made granny smith applesauce > and gave some this morning. He has been slightly hyper and has some > smelly gas (has horrible gas pre-scd not since starting). > I guess my ? is to phenol/ salic. people. We have no rash or red > ears. We have in the last few days eaten some green beans , banana, > and then the applesauce. I am on day 2 of applesauce but only day 1 > of the granny smith one. Should I give him more to see if this is > the culprit or will I not be able to tell since he had green beans & > ban. yesterday? No green beans today and only 1/2 banana. > Feeling a bit overwhelmed. sorry... > Blessings, > Doreen scd day 8 > asd 12, scd day 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Kathy, I don't know what to do right now. We have been eating basically, chick, beef, very little pork and turkey, a lot of pureed carrots 2x a day with no problems(tastes like candy) green beans, eggs, now watered down to grape juice 3/4 water 1/4 juiceand limited to one glass per day earlier in day, applesauce added yesterday golden delic (too sweet), applesauce today granny smith. Olive oil is the only oil I have used. He had dark circles under his eyes before diet and up until about day 3 or so. They slightly cam back last night before bed. Had some slight today too. We had some gold delic.applesauce with breakfast,meatballs fried in olive oil with some green beans yesterday for lunch and then he wanted more green beans with dinner with applesauce. He had some 3 tsp. of granny smith applesauce on breakfast this morn. I have zucchini in frig. waiting to try, pearsauce and spinach already to be tryed. Should I stop the applesauce for now? Do a one day on the intro again before introducing a new food? Maybe cumulative effect even though all escept the granny smith is negligible or low? You mentioned zucchini, I thought that was high in phenols? He is also believed to be hypoglycemic. Has been on legal kirkman supplements (not magnesium citrate), magnesium with melatonin. No probiotics or enzymes for now. Thought was to see the true food culprits. Usually pre-scd when bad gas then bad behavior too! Is this a toxin being released? Thank you for your thoughts, Doreen scd day 8 with 12 asd, scd day 8 Re: day 8 snag on phenols? -Doreen, It's really impossible to know for " sure " until you take him off salicylates completely, and then add them back to test. I have had mine tested for phenols in apples, and tomatoes using Provocation/Neutralization technique, but that's alot of trouble, and may or may not be definitive. And since you are in the middle of the hardest part of the program, you probably don't want to get involved in some testing, so let me share some things that we've been doing to keep the phenols at bay. We have found our situation hard but not unbearable (except maybe for day 1 & 2), but not because of the reaction to phenols, I think its more the release of toxins. We eat only pears (must be peeled and baked/cooked) or bananas for fruits/sweets, and try to keep them to a reasonable amount. Juices are too concentrated, and so are the jellos made from them. We did only one day of intro, skipped to stage 1 so we could have green beans, spinach and zuchini (must be peeled). Next day we went to stage 2 to get more variety. I think we'll stay here for awhile. Cashew butter is a big hit...tastes like frosting. My most sensitive can't eat any other kind of nut at this time, I don't know why, but they give him headaches. It hasn't been perfect, the first couple of days has been really hard on their body. I just keep trying to feed them alot of protein and fat so they feel satisfied, and I let them rest when tired. Sleep patterns are off, but they have been off before diet. Magnesium Citrate is a very good supplement, but try to get a legal one. We are also taking the multivitamins and other supplements. I don't know if they help or not. Olive oil aggravates phenolic sensitives, so does coconut oil. Eggs do cause problems with my oldest, and I never would have known unless I hadn't eliminated them after a positive allergy test result. Blessings, Kathy H., 8 & 10 chemically sensitive, low salicylates 5 years -- In pecanbread , " indiana3lady " <theanimallover@s...> wrote: > We are on day 8.I think we found a sensitivity to phenols. > We started off with the intro diet for 3 days. Have been adding > legals in slowly. Tryed the grape juice jello made with straight > grape juice not cut with water. We had this toward eve. and both of > us were up all night. > I made applesauce with golden delicious apples (concerned about > phenols) and he said yuck too sweet. Made granny smith applesauce > and gave some this morning. He has been slightly hyper and has some > smelly gas (has horrible gas pre-scd not since starting). > I guess my ? is to phenol/ salic. people. We have no rash or red > ears. We have in the last few days eaten some green beans , banana, > and then the applesauce. I am on day 2 of applesauce but only day 1 > of the granny smith one. Should I give him more to see if this is > the culprit or will I not be able to tell since he had green beans & > ban. yesterday? No green beans today and only 1/2 banana. > Feeling a bit overwhelmed. sorry... > Blessings, > Doreen scd day 8 > asd 12, scd day 8 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Doreen, I have alot of experience with avoiding salicylates, but little experience with this diet, so I'm learning as I go but, I'll do the best I can with your questions. I agree with the person who mentioned that this is really worth a try when a child has many sensitivities, like mine and perhaps yours too. Also, I hope you are being good to yourself too, maybe a hot bath or a nice cup of tea. ) > Kathy, > I don't know what to do right now. > We have been eating basically, chick, beef, very little pork and turkey, a lot of pureed carrots 2x a day with no problems(tastes like candy) green beans, eggs, now watered down to grape juice 3/4 water 1/4 juiceand limited to one glass per day earlier in day, applesauce added yesterday golden delic (too sweet), applesauce today granny smith. Olive oil is the only oil I have used. Great! I'd stop the grape juice, and if possible use another oil, butter, or possibly cook with strained animal fat (but only allittle bit), instead of olive oil. Watch coconut oil also, it is extremely high in phenols. > He had dark circles under his eyes before diet and up until about day 3 or so. They slightly cam back last night before bed. Had some slight today too. So do my kids, they are also very tired, but with some bursts of high energy which fizzle out irradically. > We had some gold delic.applesauce with breakfast,meatballs fried in olive oil with some green beans yesterday for lunch and then he wanted more green beans with dinner with applesauce. > He had some 3 tsp. of granny smith applesauce on breakfast this morn. I'd remove the applesauce and replace it with pearsauce or easier just baked pears. Green beans seem OK, zuchini is in there for variety, but use it sparingly and please peel, it better yet maybe you'd rather go for yellow squash instead. > I have zucchini in frig. waiting to try, pearsauce and spinach already to be tryed. Spinach is good. > Should I stop the applesauce for now? Yes, I would. > Do a one day on the intro again before introducing a new food? Maybe cumulative effect even though all escept the granny smith is negligible or low? > Grapes and oil were high. > You mentioned zucchini, I thought that was high in phenols? > Yes, but it is still acceptable without skin in small amounts. > He is also believed to be hypoglycemic. Has been on legal kirkman supplements (not magnesium citrate), magnesium with melatonin. No probiotics or enzymes for now. Thought was to see the true food culprits. Great. What other supplements? We were on Kirkman supplements two weeks ago, and found that they created some bad behavior, so stopped, and so did the bad behavior, it is possilbe this was die off, but I think it might have been the aspergillus base (a mold). > Usually pre-scd when bad gas then bad behavior too! Is this a toxin being released? I haven't figured it out, but I will say that last year when we were on Flaygl, then Nystatin, and then Culturelle, we did not get any hyperactivity, but mostly dark circles, and fatigue. I'll tell you what I'm getting with this experience that I have never see before, the ravenous appetite, and anxiety that there may not be enough to eat. I am getting some off behavior (probably to much zuchini, or pears, or maybe blood sugar swings), but it is manageable because it doesn't go on and on. If you pull the phenols out early on, they may be released pretty quickly, but maybe you could give your child an Epsom Salt bath and water to drink to help it along. I think it is great that is agreeing to eat all these wonderful homemade foods you are preparing. Blessings, Kathy H. scd day 5 > > Thank you for your thoughts, > Doreen scd day 8 with 12 asd, scd day 8 > Re: day 8 snag on phenols? > > > -Doreen, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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