Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 I have to agree with everything that was said below. The only other thing I did differently was coffee. I tried decaf at first and couldn't take the withdrawal from it, so I did 1/2 and 1/2 for a while and then 3/4 decaf. - 1/4 caf. until I eventually went to decaf. It's over a year now, and chose to go back to Maxwell House Lite, which is 1/2. I have never really strayed from this WOL, because I never want to go through my first month again. Please tell her that this is what happens to almost everyone. I hope she sticks with it. It's the first diet I have ever been successful with. (there were many before this) I have lost approx. 57 lbs. and feel great. Barbara >Tell her I was EXACTLY like this my first induction, even took one day off >work over it. It IS AWFUL. Then it took me about 4 weeks after that to get >enuff energy together to really get into exercising. Tell her to just keep >eating all the meat she wants all those juicy steaks, bacon etc...that helped >me. And the 8lb weight loss has to tell her something is right about this >diet, hopefully u can convince her she wont feel like this forever. Oh and I >DID take tyenol, nyquil (screw the sugar) heh at that point when I go through >any kind of pain, im a huge pain wimp, so have her take something! > >In a message dated 2/5/01 8:40:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, >simjs@... writes: > >> She is on Day 5 of Induction and is feeling HORRIBLE. She is not one >> generally to complain, so I know that when she says 'horrible', she must >be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 Hi Simmie! Maybe it is the yeast being killed off. It caused a lot of itching and other aches for me. Feeling Awful? > > Again, help for a friend who is doing Atkins, and if she can't find a > resolution to this, may wind up not staying on it. > > She is on Day 5 of Induction and is feeling HORRIBLE. She is not one > generally to complain, so I know that when she says 'horrible', she must be > in a bad place. > > She's had a headache for FOUR days -- migraine level at first and now it's > at the tension headache level. But what's really driving her nuts is her > joint pain -- she said she just hurts all over -- ankles, knees, wrists, > fingers, you name it. > > The headache isn't from the sugar withdrawal, as it started on Day 2 of > Induction, or immediately after Day 1 of induction -- and she's gone > without sugar for a day or so, so that's not what it is. > > She IS taking supplements, she has gone to her doctor and he says she has > nothing wrong with her. > > Also, she has lost 8 lbs. in 5 days and her comment to me was " Even *I* > know that high of a weight loss is too high a rate to lose *for me*. " She > only has 50 lbs. to lose, and when I pointed out that sometimes the weight > loss is high, she said it's just not healthy to lose almost 20% of your > goal to lose in the first five days. > > And she's not anywhere near ketosis yet -- she's in the negative area. > > Any suggestions for her? She's feeling worse than she's felt in a long time > and wants to know what to do to feel better. Because if this doesn't > improve, she will have to go off of Atkins, as she is sure this is what's > causing her to feel so lousy. > > Thanks, > > Simmie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 Simmie, I do almost exactly what your friend is in right now when I am on 10-15 carbs a day. After the first week I up my carbs just a little with a salad or something like that, I eat a few more snacks and MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR ME, drink even more water. I am soooo sensitive with my fibro and chronic fatique the first week of induction can be nothing but work and rest and water, water, water. The light is at the end of the tunnel, I promise. She will feel 100 times better soon, I know I did. Jeana, You still lurking? Jump in anytime.....I'm looking for you! Angie in Chattanooga 175/129.5/120 10/99 > >Reply-To: AtkinsChallengers >To: atkinschallengers >Subject: Feeling Awful? >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 05:24:11 -0800 > > >Again, help for a friend who is doing Atkins, and if she can't find a >resolution to this, may wind up not staying on it. > >She is on Day 5 of Induction and is feeling HORRIBLE. She is not one >generally to complain, so I know that when she says 'horrible', she must be >in a bad place. > >She's had a headache for FOUR days -- migraine level at first and now it's >at the tension headache level. But what's really driving her nuts is her >joint pain -- she said she just hurts all over -- ankles, knees, wrists, >fingers, you name it. > >The headache isn't from the sugar withdrawal, as it started on Day 2 of >Induction, or immediately after Day 1 of induction -- and she's gone >without sugar for a day or so, so that's not what it is. > >She IS taking supplements, she has gone to her doctor and he says she has >nothing wrong with her. > >Also, she has lost 8 lbs. in 5 days and her comment to me was " Even *I* >know that high of a weight loss is too high a rate to lose *for me*. " She >only has 50 lbs. to lose, and when I pointed out that sometimes the weight >loss is high, she said it's just not healthy to lose almost 20% of your >goal to lose in the first five days. > >And she's not anywhere near ketosis yet -- she's in the negative area. > >Any suggestions for her? She's feeling worse than she's felt in a long time >and wants to know what to do to feel better. Because if this doesn't >improve, she will have to go off of Atkins, as she is sure this is what's >causing her to feel so lousy. > >Thanks, > >Simmie > > >Please visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengers >You will find information, recipes, before and after pictures. >To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@... >Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site - >http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Great for her bf!!!! Too bad she is not a meat eater, I had a friend who dropped atkins cause she was not a meat eater either, guess i cud see where it wud be a problem although other people have adapted. My friend loves veggies. Maybe ur friend wud be happier with an adapted lower or lowest carb, like maybe eating some whole wheat bread and brown rice with chicken stir fry, basically just ditching the sugar, starches and refined foods? That is the type of diet I wud feed my kid, if i had one! ROFL I read your email to her and when I read the " ....all those juicy steaks, bacon, etc. " she just went " ohhhh yuckkkkkk! " She is not a big meat eater -- she does like cheese and the likes for protein, tho. She DOES eat meat, just isn't all that crazy about it and doesn't like the high fat end of protein. Now.....she lives in a household with her partner and his two kids. She just tickles me when she says about them " They don't consider it a meal unless something has died! " The men are definitely like me -- they love the meat and love the fat. Now here's something really neat -- her partner was recently diagnosed with diabetes and it was totally out of control, with the meds not helping to reduce the sugar level. They switched his meds a couple of time, with no positive outcome. His blood sugar, since being on Atkins, has gone from 300 down to 120. Is that wonderful or what? Of course she had to also get him to drink something other than regular Pepsi's, but my goodness what a wonderful thing for him. Simmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 When I start induction, I always go through a headache for a week or so and I also have joint pain and my body feels real heavy (not fat, but laden down) for a while. Getting into ketosis is very hard on my body, but tell your friend to get ready for a real high once she gets there. And, yes, eight lbs. is a lot, but not all that unusual. If I were her, I would be taking potassium and a lot of other supplements and trying to hang in there for a few more days or even another week. Potassium really helped me last time, it was Joya who told meit would help with the bone crushing tiredness and it did. Hope this helps. corky Feeling Awful? Again, help for a friend who is doing Atkins, and if she can't find a resolution to this, may wind up not staying on it.She is on Day 5 of Induction and is feeling HORRIBLE. She is not one generally to complain, so I know that when she says 'horrible', she must be in a bad place.She's had a headache for FOUR days -- migraine level at first and now it's at the tension headache level. But what's really driving her nuts is her joint pain -- she said she just hurts all over -- ankles, knees, wrists, fingers, you name it.The headache isn't from the sugar withdrawal, as it started on Day 2 of Induction, or immediately after Day 1 of induction -- and she's gone without sugar for a day or so, so that's not what it is.She IS taking supplements, she has gone to her doctor and he says she has nothing wrong with her.Also, she has lost 8 lbs. in 5 days and her comment to me was "Even *I* know that high of a weight loss is too high a rate to lose *for me*." She only has 50 lbs. to lose, and when I pointed out that sometimes the weight loss is high, she said it's just not healthy to lose almost 20% of your goal to lose in the first five days.And she's not anywhere near ketosis yet -- she's in the negative area.Any suggestions for her? She's feeling worse than she's felt in a long time and wants to know what to do to feel better. Because if this doesn't improve, she will have to go off of Atkins, as she is sure this is what's causing her to feel so lousy.Thanks,SimmiePlease visit our homepage at http://members.xoom.com/AChallengersYou will find information, recipes, before and after pictures.To contact the list owner please send mail to lindag@...Visit our 2000 Train Tour Site - http://www.brunnet.net/k & l/web_site_train_tour/actraintour.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 >Well Simmie your friend sounds like a quitter to me so do not be too >disappointed if she does not hang in there. I guess I am getting old and >cynical. I know I have poured my heart into helping people and then it did >not work so I now I juts tell them and if they want do it and if not, Don't. >I used to be that way especially when people did not breast feed their >babies. Just couldn't understand it. Sometimes I still don't but each of us >is different and their loss. >Norma Nah, she is anything but a quitter -- in fact she'd put most of us to shame -- she's just trying to figure out why this is happening, and if she is going to feel like this for the entire time she's on the diet, then I would tell her to find another diet. She is NOT a complainer at all, so for her to have to take the morphine for pain means that there has been something going on since starting Atkins......it's just a matter of figuring out *what* and what's caused it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 well now that you mention chrons disease.. she should be following atkins " yeast " version of the diet in the begining.. dairy isnt good for chrons.. also chrons will get worse before it gets better.. it seems to try and force you to eat badly.. my one friend tried to eat right and she swore her insides were screaming at her and went back to eating junk.. the bad things put up a fight when you start to starve them from the sugar.. she just has to hang in there and get thru the rough spots.. also does she take B-6?? that will help with carpal tunnel.. i am glad tho that her partner is doing better this is the way to eat for both of them she just might have to struggle a bit more.. about a month away from all the bad foods her chrons should settle down and she can add back dairy and the like right now she should stick to meat/fish/chicken/veggies and salads catherine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 > is NOT a complainer at all, so for her > to have to take the morphine for pain means that there has been something > going on since starting Atkins......it's just a matter of figuring out > *what* and what's caused it. OTOH....It may have NOTHING to do with the diet...a patient has the *right* to more than one disease...and the symptoms are broad enough that it could be any number of problems not related to the diet...just coincidental that they occurred at the same time. Keep in touch with her doc. JJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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