Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 It is good to keep in mind that people are people, regardless of what hat they happen to be wearing at the time. Some are really good, some are total jerks, and the rest are in between somewhere. Goes for us cops, EMS folks, fire guys, etc. We're not exempt from being human beings, though at times we are expected to be super-human. At the end of the day we are all in public safety and supposed to be out there serving our public the best we know how, and supporting each other along the way. I express my condolences on the loss of your partner, Steve, losing a partner sucks regardless of what the patch on your shoulder says. Lets also keep in mind that some things happen and we don't know why this side of heaven. I believe that there is a reason and a plan in everything that happens, and it is not for me to always know why. Stay safe, brother. My humble 2 cents worth for the evening, Officer Moseley, Licensed Paramedic Cleburne PD > I think cops should be anually surprised with a $135 withdrawl from their pay check so they remember what traffic tickets " feels " like. I pray for my local police officers, I appreciate their duties and view them as true professionals.However,my friend and co-worker Paramedic Dee Seago was killed by an on duty reckless driving cop on May 1, 1998. The cops own department was allowed to investigate the accident. The cop that collided with her ambulance was totally at fault and has yet to apologize. I dont doubt for a second that if we had killed " one of them " it would be open season on EMS. We never got so much as an apology. They want to put their little black band on and tell the world that they " will avenge " when one of them gets killed, and we got a funeral. > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Well sure we are all humans who makes mistakes but a simple apology is not uncalled for. Wouldn't you say something to the effect of, " I'm sorry, sir, your wife of fifteen years is dead. We tried everything but we weren't able to revive her. " after working a cardiac arrest call to the husband? An apology can go a long ways. I have by far met or came into contact with far more rude/unprofessional police officers than I have paramedics. Its not really being stereotypical when people put a 'cop' down. All in all we are humans and we need to just know how precious each and everyone of us is. To all the EMS and fire ladies and gentlemen out there, thank a cop for putting their life on the line the next time they secure a scene for you. To all the Officers out there, thank the EMS and fire ladies and gentleman for saving your partners life when they were shot at. I agree the citation was uncalled for but I guess he was just doing his job trying to collect all the revenue for his little town so he and his partners can get that silver pin on their uniform. but what do I know.... On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 23:19 US/Central, Moseley wrote: > It is good to keep in mind that people are people, regardless of what > hat > they happen to be wearing at the time. Some are really good, some are > total > jerks, and the rest are in between somewhere. Goes for us cops, EMS > folks, > fire guys, etc. We're not exempt from being human beings, though at > times > we are expected to be super-human. At the end of the day we are all in > public safety and supposed to be out there serving our public the best > we > know how, and supporting each other along the way. > I express my condolences on the loss of your partner, Steve, losing a > partner sucks regardless of what the patch on your shoulder says. > Lets also keep in mind that some things happen and we don't know why > this > side of heaven. I believe that there is a reason and a plan in > everything > that happens, and it is not for me to always know why. > > Stay safe, brother. > > My humble 2 cents worth for the evening, > > Officer Moseley, Licensed Paramedic > Cleburne PD > > > >> I think cops should be anually surprised with a $135 withdrawl from >> their > pay check so they remember what traffic tickets " feels " like. I pray > for my > local police officers, I appreciate their duties and view them as true > professionals.However,my friend and co-worker Paramedic Dee Seago was > killed > by an on duty reckless driving cop on May 1, 1998. The cops own > department > was allowed to investigate the accident. The cop that collided with her > ambulance was totally at fault and has yet to apologize. I dont doubt > for a > second that if we had killed " one of them " it would be open season on > EMS. > We never got so much as an apology. They want to put their little > black band > on and tell the world that they " will avenge " when one of them gets > killed, > and we got a funeral. >> >> Steve > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 maybe just CYI or because the cops don't want them throwing up in their car. On Thursday, Oct 2, 2003, at 23:59 US/Central, Percy Spradlin wrote: > While on the subject of cops/deputys. Why do they think every ETOH > infested street person and every person with suicidal ideations needs > the ambulance to transport them for eval, when they coiuld very > weeltake them in the patrol car. 90% of the time there is no reason > for the ambulance to drive them to the hospital. Just a thought I > would like some others opinion on. > > > > The Human --- The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for it's stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction, or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 I meant CYA On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 00:06 US/Central, Farrell wrote: > maybe just CYI or because the cops don't want them throwing up in their > car. > The Human --- The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for it's stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction, or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 In a message dated 10/3/03 12:00:40 AM Central Daylight Time, pmanemt@... writes: While on the subject of cops/deputys. Why do they think every ETOH infested street person and every person with suicidal ideations needs the ambulance to transport them for eval, when they could very well take them in the patrol car. 90% of the time there is no reason for the ambulance to drive them to the hospital. Just a thought I would like some others opinion on. It is an issue of liability. Due to increasing litigation for injured prisoners it is better for Law Enforcement Officers to direct an intoxicated or suicidal subject to the ambulance than take them in their patrol unit. I have had occasion to have Police Officers or Sheriffs Deputies take these individuals in their units to the hospital. If it appears they are injured or there is a question to injury it is better to send them via EMS. Law Enforcement will usually follow the ambulance to the hospital. Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office FAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 -- " Mike , LP " wrote: >>...The poster admitted he was speeding. He admitted thinking he was outside the city limits, meaning that he thought he could speed and get away with it...He never mentions his speed, or the speed limit...He never mentions his attitude, or the interaction with the officer. How on EARTH can you judge, from the zero information given, whether the citation was uncalled for?<< The original poster knew the speed limit and admitted to being above it. LEOs recognize government owned(exempt) plates (state EMS ?); those I know are usually a little more lenient. Again, this is SUPPOSING the vehicle was so tagged. Another thing I noticed in the original post the style of writing and words used, SUGGEST that it wasn't a neutral experience for either individual. In my experience(and my sister and my cousin; she is a Co. Deputy, he a retired Michigan State Police Lt.)as many people talk themselves into a ticket / jail as not. A traffic stop is the most dangerous interaction (alternatively domestic violence calls) LEOs have with the public. Vans are particularly tough; the lack of visiblity reduces the tactical advantage that helps keep the LEO safe. Add to that, a driver who I SUSPECT was less than neutral with the officer. Maybe there is a 'zero-tolerance' policy, or the LEO had recently worked a bad wreck attributed to speed. SO many variables. Once that is all added together, you have the difference between a verbal warning, a written warning, or a citation. Sure, the LEO may have been 'badge-heavy'; but we have no knowledge from that side of the story. There are 3 sides to any story; One side, the other side, and somewhere in between, the truth. Larry RN LP EMSI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 -- Percy Spradlin wrote: " ... Why do they think every ETOH infested street person and every person with suicidal ideations needs the ambulance to transport them for eval, when they coiuld very weeltake them in the patrol car. 90% of the time there is no reason for the ambulance to drive them to the hospital. ... " Don't judge a book by its cover, and if there is a hint of possible medical problems (you admit to a 10% chance), a LEO is going to make sure there isn't something potentially life threatening going on, They are trained to protect and serve the public, just as medics are, with a different perspective. Suicidal ideation ranks REAL high there, as do the nuances of all kinds of problems impaired people exhibit or hide. From a safety standpoint, it is safer for a potentially unstable person to be watched face to face, rather than from the perspective of a rear view mirror in a one person police cruiser. The medic has more options than a LEO under those circumstances. Make sure the LEO does a good job of checking the individual, and if you have any doubts, ask the LEO to recheck. Any situation you have that involves LEOs should include a meticulous secondary assessment (hint) of your own. Percy, I find the use of the phrase 'ETOH infested street person' at least disturbing. I wonder if you might be on the verge of, if not already in, burnout. 'ETOH infested street person' sounds like depersonalizing pigeon-holing, and a loss of the realization that the PERSON you have been called to assist is still a PATIENT. You've been called and you are there; take care of the patient. Then, think about taking care of yourself. It will save your career, and possibly you. " Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for; it is a thing to be achieved. " - W.J. Larry RN LP EMSI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Regarding rude cops and infested drunks: It is a little difficult to rationally debate when a colleague complains of an incident with a rude cop. Anybody who hasn't encountered a rude or overbearing cop at a scene hasn't run very many calls. Where we *can* argue is when this attitude of " all cops are rude and overbearing " comes up - as it does all too often in EMS discussion. Vague generalizations and stereotyping have no place in our profession. I can think of just as many times that I was very glad to have a cop on scene as I can remember rude ones. Now, lets discuss our " ETOH infested street person " . The simple making of this statement by a member of the medical professions is enough to make one wonder why this person picked this field of employment. Perhaps we should remove such people from the ranks of EMS as they obviously lack the level of compassion required for the job. But then if we kicked out everybody with similar attitudes we'd probably lose about 80% of our workforce. Nobody loves a drunk and anybody would do just about anything to keep the drunk out of the ambulance. However, not all drunks are equal. I return to my statement in the first paragraph of this diatribe - vague generalizations and stereotyping have no place in our profession. I am reminded of a story published a couple years ago in JEMS. The article was written by Dr. Bledsoe and referenced a frequent flyer he recalled from his days working the streets as a Ft. Worth paramedic. The story is titled " It's Isaac Again " . I highly recommend locating a copy and whenever you start thinking all drunks are the same, or all cops are the same, or all gomers are the same - you should read it. Regards, Donn Re: differences with cops -- Percy Spradlin wrote: " ... Why do they think every ETOH infested street person and every person with suicidal ideations needs the ambulance to transport them for eval, when they coiuld very weeltake them in the patrol car. 90% of the time there is no reason for the ambulance to drive them to the hospital. ... " Don't judge a book by its cover, and if there is a hint of possible medical problems (you admit to a 10% chance), a LEO is going to make sure there isn't something potentially life threatening going on, They are trained to protect and serve the public, just as medics are, with a different perspective. Suicidal ideation ranks REAL high there, as do the nuances of all kinds of problems impaired people exhibit or hide. >From a safety standpoint, it is safer for a potentially unstable person >to be watched face to face, rather than from the perspective of a rear >view mirror in a one person police cruiser. The medic has more options >than a LEO under those circumstances. Make sure the LEO does a good job >of checking the individual, and if you have any doubts, ask the LEO to >recheck. Any situation you have that involves LEOs should include a >meticulous secondary assessment (hint) of your own. Percy, I find the use of the phrase 'ETOH infested street person' at least disturbing. I wonder if you might be on the verge of, if not already in, burnout. 'ETOH infested street person' sounds like depersonalizing pigeon-holing, and a loss of the realization that the PERSON you have been called to assist is still a PATIENT. You've been called and you are there; take care of the patient. Then, think about taking care of yourself. It will save your career, and possibly you. " Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for; it is a thing to be achieved. " - W.J. Larry RN LP EMSI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Very well said . Lt. Joby Berkley EMT-P Pelican Bay Police Department Re: differences with cops > It is good to keep in mind that people are people, regardless of what hat > they happen to be wearing at the time. Some are really good, some are total > jerks, and the rest are in between somewhere. Goes for us cops, EMS folks, > fire guys, etc. We're not exempt from being human beings, though at times > we are expected to be super-human. At the end of the day we are all in > public safety and supposed to be out there serving our public the best we > know how, and supporting each other along the way. > I express my condolences on the loss of your partner, Steve, losing a > partner sucks regardless of what the patch on your shoulder says. > Lets also keep in mind that some things happen and we don't know why this > side of heaven. I believe that there is a reason and a plan in everything > that happens, and it is not for me to always know why. > > Stay safe, brother. > > My humble 2 cents worth for the evening, > > Officer Moseley, Licensed Paramedic > Cleburne PD > > > > > I think cops should be anually surprised with a $135 withdrawl from their > pay check so they remember what traffic tickets " feels " like. I pray for my > local police officers, I appreciate their duties and view them as true > professionals.However,my friend and co-worker Paramedic Dee Seago was killed > by an on duty reckless driving cop on May 1, 1998. The cops own department > was allowed to investigate the accident. The cop that collided with her > ambulance was totally at fault and has yet to apologize. I dont doubt for a > second that if we had killed " one of them " it would be open season on EMS. > We never got so much as an apology. They want to put their little black band > on and tell the world that they " will avenge " when one of them gets killed, > and we got a funeral. > > > > Steve > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 I wish the ambulance drivers and police car drivers and fire truck drivers would all get along. " Can't we all just get along? " -Rodney King (California Millionaire) Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX [http://www.bryanbledsoe.com] Re: differences with cops Very well said . Lt. Joby Berkley EMT-P Pelican Bay Police Department <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=256694.4002236.5216697.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1784493/rand=541403515> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Please get it wright..... Its Am - bu - lance Driver Henry Bledsoe wrote: > I wish the ambulance drivers and police car drivers and fire truck drivers > would all get along. > > > > " Can't we all just get along? " > > -Rodney King (California Millionaire) > > > > > > > > Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > > Midlothian, TX > > [http://www.bryanbledsoe.com] > > > > Re: differences with cops > > > > Very well said . > > Lt. Joby Berkley EMT-P > Pelican Bay Police Department > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=256694.4002236.5216697.1261774/D=egroupmai > l/S=:HM/A=1784493/rand=541403515> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Mr. Policeman sir if you have a dought shout it out. Call me if in doubt it will not be the first person I transported that did not need it and I don't want to miss one that need to be given care. Thank You Re: differences with cops > > > > It is good to keep in mind that people are people, regardless of what hat > > they happen to be wearing at the time. Some are really good, some are total > > jerks, and the rest are in between somewhere. Goes for us cops, EMS folks, > > fire guys, etc. We're not exempt from being human beings, though at times > > we are expected to be super-human. At the end of the day we are all in > > public safety and supposed to be out there serving our public the best we > > know how, and supporting each other along the way. > > I express my condolences on the loss of your partner, Steve, losing a > > partner sucks regardless of what the patch on your shoulder says. > > Lets also keep in mind that some things happen and we don't know why this > > side of heaven. I believe that there is a reason and a plan in everything > > that happens, and it is not for me to always know why. > > > > Stay safe, brother. > > > > My humble 2 cents worth for the evening, > > > > Officer Moseley, Licensed Paramedic > > Cleburne PD > > > > > > > > > I think cops should be anually surprised with a $135 withdrawl from their > > pay check so they remember what traffic tickets " feels " like. I pray for my > > local police officers, I appreciate their duties and view them as true > > professionals.However,my friend and co-worker Paramedic Dee Seago was killed > > by an on duty reckless driving cop on May 1, 1998. The cops own department > > was allowed to investigate the accident. The cop that collided with her > > ambulance was totally at fault and has yet to apologize. I dont doubt for a > > second that if we had killed " one of them " it would be open season on EMS. > > We never got so much as an apology. They want to put their little black band > > on and tell the world that they " will avenge " when one of them gets killed, > > and we got a funeral. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 No it is amulance or amalance or was it bambulance and do you know that mofo deer bit my neck. Re: differences with cops > > > > > > > > Very well said . > > > > Lt. Joby Berkley EMT-P > > Pelican Bay Police Department > > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=256694.4002236.5216697.1261774/D=egroupmai > > l/S=:HM/A=1784493/rand=541403515> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 > Listen to yourselves!!! > > And we wonder why EMS personnel don't get professional respect . And > here you all are, whining like a bunch of teenagers over a ticket! > > >> > >> > > > >Not much, apparently. > > > >The poster admitted he was speeding. He admitted thinking he was outside > >the city limits, meaning that he thought he could speed and get away with > >it. > > > >He says he works for the state, driving a state EMS van? Money to peanuts > >he doesn't WORK for the state, he's just certified by them. And if he > >does, he's lucky to only get a few days off. > > > >He never mentions if there was a patient on board. He never mentions his > >speed, or the speed limit. > > > >He never mentions his attitude, or the interaction with the officer. > > > >How on EARTH can you judge, from the zero information given, whether the > >citation was uncalled for? > > > >Mike Ahhhhh There you go using logic again! keep that up and we will remove your posting privilege. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Actually, any patient that is in custody of the municipality (or County or State) and is mandated to seek care by LEO will not have to pay a bill that resulted from such a demand if there are a few things that are satisfied (these vary by locality and law, I'm sure). But, if I'm acting appropriately and EMS is called to transport me to the hospital for evaluation and they do and there is nothing found to be wrong with me, then I am not responsible for the hospital or EMS bill. I'm not even going to go into those people that are incarcerated or otherwise in the custody of LEO. At least that is my understanding Schadone, NREMT-Paramedic City of Austin Austin/ County EMS Medic 12 / Medic 24 @... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.