Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Hi all! I apologize for posting this completely off topic subject, but I don't know who else to ask. Please reply off list so I don't clog up the board with such and off topic conversation. I visited 2 of the 3 schools Sam may end up going to in Sept. They both had no clue about diets and behavior. The first principle said, " so it's really bad, huh? " when I told him that we are doing a special diet for behavior! The other school has a separate " inclusion " kindergarten class. This makes no sense to me since it's a separate class - how is that included in anything! Sam is not getting an OT evaluation until May. He does not have an IEP. He passed the school district's screening (he passed their OT screening too, which wasn't that much different than the general education one.) I know lots of parent's could care less about getting a diagnosis, but what do I tell to his teachers and principle if he doesn't have one. I want him to be successful at school and happy. Do I just send him off to school with just a warning to his teachers and hope everything is ok? I don't want him to be labelled as the " bad " kid. I don't want him to be labelled at all, but without a diagnosis I know that's what will happen. I'll get blamed and Sam will be the bad kid. When his behavior is very bad he can come off pretty psychotic and out of control (it's not like that right now because of SCD Thank God.) But it could be worse too, I suppose. Do I wait until something awful happens at school? That's what I have been trying to avoid for years now and noone has been able to tell me what exactly is going on with this kid. The people at the screening seemed concerned but had no idea what to do with us since Sam can cut with scissors and can hop on one foot. Big freakin' deal. Yes he can cut with scissors, but he freaks out if he can't be the line leader at school - this used to happen every day! Any insight is appreciated. Chrystee Sam, 4.5, behavior/sensory issues SCD 4 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Christy, I don't think this is too OT for most of us here. I would say, if possible, get a dx and a formal IEP. Otherwise, he is not guaranteed anything. I would not wait. I did not want Luke to have a dx of any kind. Then, when he got one, I was insistent that he stay in a mainstream class and be served there. I've come a long way in my ideas about that. It wasn't just a " pride " thing, like, " not my child " , but I just saw so much potential in him and did not want a label holding him back. Instead, it has made things possible for him. In the regular Pre-K class he was the " bad kid " , I heard kids call him " annoying " or " crazy " . And he's the sweetest, kindest soul you'd ever meet. He just couldn't find his way in that confusing environment. He was so filled with anxiety those couple of months, it was awful. Now he loves to go to school and misses it when he can't go. He's so much better off in the EC class. I don't know what kind of class he'll be in for Kindy next year, his transitional IEP is later this spring. But without an IEP you have no say, you have no guarantees, and he can get lost in the shuffle. The dx does not have to be any type of autism, necessarily - I'm not sure what all the options are, to be honest with you. But I'd pursue it. Is there a neurodevelopmental pediatrician in your area? Or a neurologist who focuses on pediatrics, and autism/adhd kids? We've had best luck with these kind of Dr's. A private dx holds a lot of weight along side the school district's evaluations. Good luck in your decisions, in NC Mom of Luke, age 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; , age 3, healthy; and , 19 mos, healthy All SCD since 1/26/04 Kindy and IEPs Hi all! I apologize for posting this completely off topic subject, but I don't know who else to ask. Please reply off list so I don't clog up the board with such and off topic conversation. I visited 2 of the 3 schools Sam may end up going to in Sept. They both had no clue about diets and behavior. The first principle said, " so it's really bad, huh? " when I told him that we are doing a special diet for behavior! The other school has a separate " inclusion " kindergarten class. This makes no sense to me since it's a separate class - how is that included in anything! Sam is not getting an OT evaluation until May. He does not have an IEP. He passed the school district's screening (he passed their OT screening too, which wasn't that much different than the general education one.) I know lots of parent's could care less about getting a diagnosis, but what do I tell to his teachers and principle if he doesn't have one. I want him to be successful at school and happy. Do I just send him off to school with just a warning to his teachers and hope everything is ok? I don't want him to be labelled as the " bad " kid. I don't want him to be labelled at all, but without a diagnosis I know that's what will happen. I'll get blamed and Sam will be the bad kid. When his behavior is very bad he can come off pretty psychotic and out of control (it's not like that right now because of SCD Thank God.) But it could be worse too, I suppose. Do I wait until something awful happens at school? That's what I have been trying to avoid for years now and noone has been able to tell me what exactly is going on with this kid. The people at the screening seemed concerned but had no idea what to do with us since Sam can cut with scissors and can hop on one foot. Big freakin' deal. Yes he can cut with scissors, but he freaks out if he can't be the line leader at school - this used to happen every day! Any insight is appreciated. Chrystee Sam, 4.5, behavior/sensory issues SCD 4 weeks For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Who do I call? He's been screened by the school district, seen my Pediatrician alot, seen 2 psychologists, and OT and had a speech evaluation. He's a toughy, everyone agrees, but noone has said anything about ASD. The May OT evaluation is the soonest I could get. It is an independent evaluation not through the school district.; What do I do now? Chrystee Sam SCD 4 weeks > Christy, I don't think this is too OT for most of us here. > > I would say, if possible, get a dx and a formal IEP. Otherwise, he is not guaranteed anything. I would not wait. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Are there any developmental pediatrician's in your area? They really are the experts when it comes to developmental delays. Gia Mom to Jack and , SCD 8 mos. > > Christy, I don't think this is too OT for most of us here. > > > > I would say, if possible, get a dx and a formal IEP. Otherwise, he > is not guaranteed anything. I would not wait. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 So, no one says he has any delays of any kind, or any OT issues that require an IEP? I am a little stumped on that. If not an ASD type dx, what about sensory integration disorder? Let me think about all that, and I'm sure others might have ideas. I hate to see him start kindy with no IEP if you feel he really needs it. in NC Mom of Luke, age 5, Asperger's/salicylate intolerant/diarrhea pre-SCD; , age 3, healthy; and , 19 mos, healthy All SCD since 1/26/04 Re: Kindy and IEPs Who do I call? He's been screened by the school district, seen my Pediatrician alot, seen 2 psychologists, and OT and had a speech evaluation. He's a toughy, everyone agrees, but noone has said anything about ASD. The May OT evaluation is the soonest I could get. It is an independent evaluation not through the school district.; What do I do now? Chrystee Sam SCD 4 weeks > Christy, I don't think this is too OT for most of us here. > > I would say, if possible, get a dx and a formal IEP. Otherwise, he is not guaranteed anything. I would not wait. > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 The real OT evaluation is in May not through the school district. The school district's screening was very narrow. He had to stack blocks, cut a line, circle, square, draw a picture of himself, know his colors, describe what was going on in pictures, point to his elbow.....He got a 92 out of 100 points. The district's OT eval. was similar. We talked about his sensory issues and she offered a brush and chew tube, but he was never really evaluated or offered services. I didn't take them because from what I'm hearing it's actually dangerous if brushing is done improperly and I dont' want to do it with out realy supervision at first. His speech evaluation that was independently done where he's going to have his real OT eval was thourough and showed no delays. We haven't gotten the results yet, but the speech pathologist told us that he seems on track for his age. The few sounds that he has trouble with, he'll probably grow out of. I am still concerned about processing though; he mixes up elbow/knee, hard/easy, up/down, off/on. Not all the time so it's not consistent enough for it to show up on an evaluation. So no he's passed the evaluations that we've done; I am looking forward to May and a real OT eval. chrystee Sam SCD 4 weeks > So, no one says he has any delays of any kind, or any OT issues that require an IEP? I am a little stumped on that. If not an ASD type dx, what about sensory integration disorder? Let me think about all that, and I'm sure others might have ideas. I hate to see him start kindy with no IEP if you feel he really needs it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Chrystee- If you tell me what state you live in I can more than likely find out who the advocacy organization is in your area or parent support/advocacy. I am a little rusty, but i think all states are now required to have a central place of information. Let me email my friend to find out. If you live in a small town or county the therapists may not be trained in sensory intergration and have no one that can provide it. Hence the school may not want to offer that diagnosis, if that is what it truely is. There are ot's out there with specific SI training. you might want to find out if the one you are going to go to has had training in it and how much. I concur that if you can find a developmental pediatrician, you may have the most success getting a diagnosis. You are welcome to email me privately. Marilyn mom to Caleb 4 and 2 with Down syndrome and gut issues, GF/CF working my way into SCD mywallace@... Re: Kindy and IEPs > The real OT evaluation is in May not through the school district. > > The school district's screening was very narrow. He had to stack > blocks, cut a line, circle, square, draw a picture of himself, know > his colors, describe what was going on in pictures, point to his > elbow.....He got a 92 out of 100 points. The district's OT eval. was > similar. We talked about his sensory issues and she offered a brush > and chew tube, but he was never really evaluated or offered services. > I didn't take them because from what I'm hearing it's actually > dangerous if brushing is done improperly and I dont' want to do it > with out realy supervision at first. > > His speech evaluation that was independently done where he's going to > have his real OT eval was thourough and showed no delays. We haven't > gotten the results yet, but the speech pathologist told us that he > seems on track for his age. The few sounds that he has trouble with, > he'll probably grow out of. I am still concerned about processing > though; he mixes up elbow/knee, hard/easy, up/down, off/on. Not all > the time so it's not consistent enough for it to show up on an evaluation. > > So no he's passed the evaluations that we've done; I am looking > forward to May and a real OT eval. > > chrystee > Sam > SCD 4 weeks > > > > > So, no one says he has any delays of any kind, or any OT issues that > require an IEP? I am a little stumped on that. If not an ASD type > dx, what about sensory integration disorder? Let me think about all > that, and I'm sure others might have ideas. I hate to see him start > kindy with no IEP if you feel he really needs it. > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Chrystee- Listen to Marilyn, she's my good friend here in NC, and she knows her stuff! ;.) Re: Kindy and IEPs > > > > The real OT evaluation is in May not through the school district. > > > > The school district's screening was very narrow. He had to stack > > blocks, cut a line, circle, square, draw a picture of himself, know > > his colors, describe what was going on in pictures, point to his > > elbow.....He got a 92 out of 100 points. The district's OT eval. was > > similar. We talked about his sensory issues and she offered a brush > > and chew tube, but he was never really evaluated or offered services. > > I didn't take them because from what I'm hearing it's actually > > dangerous if brushing is done improperly and I dont' want to do it > > with out realy supervision at first. > > > > His speech evaluation that was independently done where he's going to > > have his real OT eval was thourough and showed no delays. We haven't > > gotten the results yet, but the speech pathologist told us that he > > seems on track for his age. The few sounds that he has trouble with, > > he'll probably grow out of. I am still concerned about processing > > though; he mixes up elbow/knee, hard/easy, up/down, off/on. Not all > > the time so it's not consistent enough for it to show up on an evaluation. > > > > So no he's passed the evaluations that we've done; I am looking > > forward to May and a real OT eval. > > > > chrystee > > Sam > > SCD 4 weeks > > > > > > > > > So, no one says he has any delays of any kind, or any OT issues that > > require an IEP? I am a little stumped on that. If not an ASD type > > dx, what about sensory integration disorder? Let me think about all > > that, and I'm sure others might have ideas. I hate to see him start > > kindy with no IEP if you feel he really needs it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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