Re: That may be it...maybe I took too much?

[Guest guest]

It's a judgement call.. something that you have to experience before you

can truly relate.... the best that we can do for each other is share our

experiences so that the next one will know just a bit more than we did..

and maybe have a bit easier time....

I do know that having others around to help is a whole lot better than

doing it on your own....

Topper ()

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:25:59 -0000 " gentleone772002 "

writes:

> You know, maybe that's it...maybe I don't feel so great because I

> took too much - maybe I need to go back down to 1 capsule per day.

> I guess I thought for sure if I took too much, I would have some

> kind

> of hyper symptoms - raised heartrate, being warm, loose stools,

> shakiness, etc.

> But maybe not, maybe if you take too much, you get constipation

> again and are cold again, low heart rate etc.

> I don't know what to think anymore...this is hard stuff....

> I know I have read on this list that when you start out on a small

> dose, you often need to increase after about six weeks because the

> hypo comes back after your body adjusts. So I guess I thought that

> is what I was experiencing.

> And, I have heard from some people that Nutri-meds doesn't seem as

> strong dose per dose as Armour, although again that could be incorrect.

> Hard to tell. I think I am going to feel like I know more when I

> take Armour as opposed to Nutri-meds...I will be able to see for

> myself then if one is stronger than the other or if they are both

> the same...

>

> Gentle

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, Topper!

I was feeling so frustrated with feeling as if I hadn't taken any

thyroid meds at all today - even though I took four capsules - that I

decided to be a smart- like you said and try something, take a risk.

I know I'm being kind of reckless.

Anyway, what I did was this - took the fifth capsule of the day and

instead of taking it straight, broke it open and poured it into a

glass. Mixed some Coca-cola with it (to mask the smell/taste) and

some of it stuck to the bottom and sides of the glass (powdery stuff)

but I figure I got 2/3 of it down. I almost threw it back up from

the taste - gagged. I am very bad with pills that way. Once tried

putting a bit of baking soda in water to drink, for my bladder.

Threw it right back up. I just don't deal well with the taste of

medicines/etc.

Within about 20 minutes/half an hour, I got that familiar rush - I

mean, big time. Thyroid medicine lift. More so than I'd ever gotten

before. Nice and warm now (but not too warm), clear-headed, feeling

good. Feeling energetic. Pulse seems okay. I will check my temp

tomorrow morning when I wake up.

But now I'm thinking, okay, maybe the capsule was interfering to a

certain extent with my absorption. Maybe there was nothing at all

wrong with nutri-meds. Maybe the problem was, my digestive system

has trouble sometimes with dissolving capsules or something.

I guess the answer for me is, take the stuff without the capsule.

Maybe I will make up some raw cookie dough and " hide " the powder in

that to take it.

Once I removed the capsule and got at the medicine inside, I could

see it was plenty potent.

So, anyone who is having a problem with Nutri-meds and is taking

capsules of it, maybe it's worth trying to break open a capsule and

take the powder without the capsule.

Gentle

[Guest guest]

So.. I'm not crazy... you had me wondering... How come it's working so

good for me... My thyroid is dead.. it's got to be the meds... Very, very

interesting....

Have you tried putting it under your tongue.. we don't have much there

for taste buds....

Try a chocolate chip on top of your tongue and your thyroid under your

tongue and just let them stay there and dissolve....

.... Medicinal chocolate.. but only one.... no more...!

.... great incentive for multi-dosing...

hehehehe *wink*

Topper ()

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:25:54 -0000 " gentleone772002 "

writes:

> Thank you so much, Topper!

>

> I was feeling so frustrated with feeling as if I hadn't taken any

> thyroid meds at all today - even though I took four capsules - that

> I decided to be a smart- like you said and try something, take a

> risk.I know I'm being kind of reckless.

> Anyway, what I did was this - took the fifth capsule of the day and

> instead of taking it straight, broke it open and poured it into a

> glass. Mixed some Coca-cola with it (to mask the smell/taste) and

> some of it stuck to the bottom and sides of the glass (powdery

> stuff)

> but I figure I got 2/3 of it down. I almost threw it back up from

> the taste - gagged. I am very bad with pills that way. Once tried

> putting a bit of baking soda in water to drink, for my bladder.

> Threw it right back up. I just don't deal well with the taste of

> medicines/etc.

> Within about 20 minutes/half an hour, I got that familiar rush - I

> mean, big time. Thyroid medicine lift. More so than I'd ever

> gotten

> before. Nice and warm now (but not too warm), clear-headed, feeling

> good. Feeling energetic. Pulse seems okay. I will check my temp

> tomorrow morning when I wake up.

> But now I'm thinking, okay, maybe the capsule was interfering to a

> certain extent with my absorption. Maybe there was nothing at all

> wrong with nutri-meds. Maybe the problem was, my digestive system

> has trouble sometimes with dissolving capsules or something.

> I guess the answer for me is, take the stuff without the capsule.

> Maybe I will make up some raw cookie dough and " hide " the powder in

> that to take it.

> Once I removed the capsule and got at the medicine inside, I could

> see it was plenty potent.

> So, anyone who is having a problem with Nutri-meds and is taking

> capsules of it, maybe it's worth trying to break open a capsule and

> take the powder without the capsule.

>

> Gentle

[Guest guest]

With a tablet.. you can just tuck in under your tongue.. or as Janie

does.. between your gum and cheek... you don't have to crush it....

Topper ()

On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:23:45 EST azippetydodaday@... writes:

> Oh yeah! I forgot that nutrimed offers the thyroid in capsule form

> too...I

> bought the tablet..so I can only crush it up if I wanted too.

> :-)

> Loriann

[Guest guest]

No, sweetie, you're not crazy! I just think...I don't know. I'm

still not convinced Nutri-Meds is the equivalent of Armour. I wanna

try Armour.

The thing of taking it out of the capsule really seems to help me

though.

But it seems to be kind of short-lived - a few hours - woke up this

morning and my temp was low again, cold hands and feet -

I have a feeling I might be one of those that Dr. Lowe talks about (I

DO have the fibromyalgia thing although it's much better now that I'm

on nutrimeds) who have a tough time converting T-4 into T-3. So

maybe I might just need regular doses of T-3, like every few hours,

to do my best.

It's almost like - if I understand the theory right - if you are one

of those people who can't convert T-4 to T-3, then the T-4 just

doesn't do anything for you at all. Passes out of your body as a

waste product, I dunno.

Now, if that theory is true, then I'm probably going to end up

needing more frequent doses/higher all-around doses than a person who

can convert T-4 to T-3.

I think every single person - whether they get great benefit from

Nutri-meds, small benefit, no benefit - is not crazy, and not lying.

I think each of us is having a profoundly different experience, maybe

based on our own biochemistry idiosyncracies.

I'm thinking now of birth control pills. Theoretically, they ought

to work the same for every woman, right? But you know, some pills,

some women spot horribly on. Other women do great on the same pill.

Just comes down to individual biochemistry.

Maybe it's that way with thyroid medicine. Maybe some people just do

much better on Armour than nutri-meds.

Just doing some thinking is all...

So far I am getting somewhat of a lift from emptying the capsule, so

far so good, but again the effect appears to not last all day at all,

not even much more than about 4 hours I think.

Gentle

[Guest guest]

Oh, I know it's not the equivalent... it's less potent.. has to be or it

couldn't be OTC.. but it's far better than nothing for those of us that

have no options.... if you have access to Armour or a good generic.. go

for it.. that's for everyone.. but if you don't have prescription access

and can't afford the prices overseas for whatever reason... don't feel

that you are lost and without choice.. I was for three years... then I

found Nutri-Meds... and they gave me what I needed to pull me through....

I guess I stress their merit because there are those that feel lost and

without options and go without any meds at all for a myriad of reasons..

and they don't need to go with nothing.. they don't need to go for years

getting sicker and sicker like I did.. there are options...

I'm a very poor converter.. Increasing my Vit C to four small doses a day

in addition to multi's... adding the three doses of Selenium, in addition

to the muti..... and then the multi-dosing with the thyroid, be it

generic or Nutri-meds... has made up whatever I was lacking... I don't

have slumps during the day..I dont' get the 'sleepies' or cold.. I sleep

like a baby and night.... I have a better mood.... All pointing to much

better body chemistry..... Adding the adrenal helps will all of those

issues... If I skip a dose, getting busy with something. I don't 'crash'

but I'm not feeling good.. I can tell that I missed something.. so it's

directly affecting me....

You're 4 hour threshold.. that points to the T3 that you've taken in the

tablet being used up... so then we swing back around to T4... is the

Nutri-meds less in proportion on the T4? Are you a poor converter? Is the

T4 just not built up in your body tissues enough to be to a convertible

level yet? Hard to tell.... But you are observing a predictable

threshold... and if you just redose at about that time.. the slump

shouldn't come and you'll be able to get by until the other meds, the

Armour, comes... You may find that you still have the same threshold

issue.. maybe for a while... as your body builds up the T4 levels.....

maybe always..

No way to tell until you start tweaking with how your body works.

I didnt' come up on this schedule over night.. it's been over a year and

a half.. and I'm still open to tweaking.. this recent little experiment

has me mildly hyper on 3 tabs of Nutri-meds taken in 5 doses per day...

so I dose about every 3 hours or so to stay 'even'. About the time the

half life of the T3 starts it's down swing... before it bottoms out.. I

have another dose under my tongue to get to kicking in.. that might be a

big part of the difference....

Topper ()

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 15:09:16 -0000 " gentleone772002 "

writes:

> No, sweetie, you're not crazy! I just think...I don't know. I'm

> still not convinced Nutri-Meds is the equivalent of Armour. I wanna

> try Armour.

> The thing of taking it out of the capsule really seems to help me

> though.

> But it seems to be kind of short-lived - a few hours - woke up this

> morning and my temp was low again, cold hands and feet -

> I have a feeling I might be one of those that Dr. Lowe talks about

> (I

> DO have the fibromyalgia thing although it's much better now that

> I'm

> on nutrimeds) who have a tough time converting T-4 into T-3. So

> maybe I might just need regular doses of T-3, like every few hours,

> to do my best.

> It's almost like - if I understand the theory right - if you are one

> of those people who can't convert T-4 to T-3, then the T-4 just

> doesn't do anything for you at all. Passes out of your body as a

> waste product, I dunno.

> Now, if that theory is true, then I'm probably going to end up

> needing more frequent doses/higher all-around doses than a person

> who can convert T-4 to T-3.

> I think every single person - whether they get great benefit from

> Nutri-meds, small benefit, no benefit - is not crazy, and not lying.

> I think each of us is having a profoundly different experience,

> maybe based on our own biochemistry idiosyncracies.

> I'm thinking now of birth control pills. Theoretically, they ought

> to work the same for every woman, right? But you know, some pills,

> some women spot horribly on. Other women do great on the same pill.

> Just comes down to individual biochemistry.

> Maybe it's that way with thyroid medicine. Maybe some people just

> do much better on Armour than nutri-meds.

> Just doing some thinking is all...

> So far I am getting somewhat of a lift from emptying the capsule, so

> far so good, but again the effect appears to not last all day at

> all, not even much more than about 4 hours I think.

>

> Gentle

[Guest guest]

Hey, thanks, Topper! I'm finding posts about nutri-meds in other

groups (I went searching because I was curious) and the reactions are

all over the place. I found one post where a lady said she had an

initial good response to nutri-meds (never used anything else before

that, thyroid-wise) but then had to increase her dosage to a costly

level once her body adjusted to remain out of the hypo-range. One

lady thought nutri-meds was a sugar pill. I am more of the belief

that there is something in there - otherwise I was imagining the good

effects, which is possible but I don't want to believe that - but

that the dosage isn't at all comparable to prescription medicine.

Which makes sense because like you said it's OTC and you don't want

to get sued by people being careless and going hyper.

I'm not putting down nutri-meds, I don't mean to be, I just think

that at this point I seem to be one of the people who, after their

bodies adjusted, might need more capsules than they would like. And

that could be true with Armour, too. But cost-wise, if Armour is

quite a bit stronger then in the long run Armour might be a better

choice for me cost-wise. But how could I be mad at nutri-meds, after

all, it's nutri-meds that allowed me to see that I really would

benefit from thyroid meds! And Nutri-med allowed me to slowly build

up my dose so my body could adjust gradually, which is a good

thing.

I think that your way of taking it might allow you to make use of

every little bit of medicine in the pills, while others of us might

be missing some because it's binding with this or that or the other

thing.

Gentle

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say I agree with you, Gentle... some people seem to

do well on Nutri-Meds and others don't.

I had RAI over eight years ago and I was doing very poorly on

Levoxyl. About two years ago, I heard about Nutri-Meds and decided

to give them a try. I worked my way up to five tablets per day

(taken throughout the day) and I always felt TERRIBLE. I had an

online acquaintance who was convinced that one Nutri-Meds tablet was

the equivalent of one grain of Armour. That concerned me, so I stuck

with five tablets for eight weeks and then got my labs done through

Healthcheck USA. The results were:

FT3 - 3.0

FT4 - 1.0

TSH - 15.43

Shortly after that, I found a doctor to prescribe Armour - albeit

reluctantly. After a few weeks on just ONE grain of Armour, I was

feeling wonderful. I couldn't believe the difference. After eight

weeks, I got my labs done through the doctor (he wouldn't test FT3,

though). The results were:

FT4 - 1.2

TSH - 0.39

My major TSH decrease backed up the way I was feeling. Over the

years, I've come across a lot of people who do just great on Nutri-

Meds. I'm not sure why it's different for people, but I've learned

I'm not one of them.

-Em

> No, sweetie, you're not crazy! I just think...I don't know. I'm

> still not convinced Nutri-Meds is the equivalent of Armour. I

wanna

> try Armour.

>

> The thing of taking it out of the capsule really seems to help me

> though.

>

> But it seems to be kind of short-lived - a few hours - woke up this

> morning and my temp was low again, cold hands and feet -

>

> I have a feeling I might be one of those that Dr. Lowe talks about

(I

> DO have the fibromyalgia thing although it's much better now that

I'm

> on nutrimeds) who have a tough time converting T-4 into T-3. So

> maybe I might just need regular doses of T-3, like every few hours,

> to do my best.

>

> It's almost like - if I understand the theory right - if you are

one

> of those people who can't convert T-4 to T-3, then the T-4 just

> doesn't do anything for you at all. Passes out of your body as a

> waste product, I dunno.

>

> Now, if that theory is true, then I'm probably going to end up

> needing more frequent doses/higher all-around doses than a person

who

> can convert T-4 to T-3.

>

> I think every single person - whether they get great benefit from

> Nutri-meds, small benefit, no benefit - is not crazy, and not

lying.

> I think each of us is having a profoundly different experience,

maybe

> based on our own biochemistry idiosyncracies.

>

> I'm thinking now of birth control pills. Theoretically, they ought

> to work the same for every woman, right? But you know, some pills,

> some women spot horribly on. Other women do great on the same

pill.

> Just comes down to individual biochemistry.

>

> Maybe it's that way with thyroid medicine. Maybe some people just

do

> much better on Armour than nutri-meds.

>

> Just doing some thinking is all...

>

> So far I am getting somewhat of a lift from emptying the capsule,

so

> far so good, but again the effect appears to not last all day at

all,

> not even much more than about 4 hours I think.

>

> Gentle

[Guest guest]

> I just wanted to say I agree with you, Gentle... some people seem

to

> do well on Nutri-Meds and others don't.

>

> I had RAI over eight years ago and I was doing very poorly on

> Levoxyl. About two years ago, I heard about Nutri-Meds and decided

> to give them a try. I worked my way up to five tablets per day

> (taken throughout the day) and I always felt TERRIBLE. I had an

> online acquaintance who was convinced that one Nutri-Meds tablet

was

> the equivalent of one grain of Armour. That concerned me, so I

stuck

> with five tablets for eight weeks and then got my labs done through

> Healthcheck USA. The results were:

>

> FT3 - 3.0

> FT4 - 1.0

> TSH - 15.43

>

> Shortly after that, I found a doctor to prescribe Armour - albeit

> reluctantly. After a few weeks on just ONE grain of Armour, I was

> feeling wonderful. I couldn't believe the difference. After eight

> weeks, I got my labs done through the doctor (he wouldn't test FT3,

> though). The results were:

>

> FT4 - 1.2

> TSH - 0.39

>

> My major TSH decrease backed up the way I was feeling. Over the

> years, I've come across a lot of people who do just great on Nutri-

> Meds. I'm not sure why it's different for people, but I've learned

> I'm not one of them.

>

> -Em

>

Thank you so much, Em!

I have taken 1 grain of Armour so far today (just took second 1/2 a

grain) and am feeling really, really great. The hypo went away

again! I don't think the nutrimeds kept me from becoming hypo again

once my body adjusted to the initial dose.

I would give anything to have some kind of instrument that could

analyze exactly what is in the Nutri-meds....in exactly what

proportions...how much T-4 and T-3...then we'd know...

Gentle