Re: Diet

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Sounds like you have just about had enough of your diet! I don't blame you.

I am not as restricted on sodium as it sounds like you are, but I am very

limited on potassium, which cuts out many of my favorite fruits and veggies, and

also limited to 3 oz per day of protein. Yours sounds even more restrictive.

Are you allowed 2000 per day of sodium and potassium, or are you more

restricted than that?

Sorry the diet is so hard on you.

[Guest guest]

You might ask next time you visit your Nephrologist because you should be

allowed to use at least some salt. I agree with you though that grits without

salt just wouldn't work! Can you tell I have Southern roots? I am actually a

Georgia peach by birth, but have lived in CA since I was a toddler, but raised

on good Southern cooking :-)

[Guest guest]

HEY PIERRE,,,,,,,GRITS IS GOOOOD WITH SOME CHEESE IN

THEM!!!,,,,,LOL,,,,CRYSTAL

[Guest guest]

Hey now Pierre! Be careful what you are saying about grits or you might have

an uprising from all the Southerners :-)

When my girls were young, my pediatrician used to always say my two girls

were healthy in spite of grits, so when he retired, we got him some grits as a

retirement gag gift. He said he was sure they would be on his pantry shelf

until the day he died, because he certainly was not going to eat them :-)

[Guest guest]

I am restricted on all of the below, and then some. I really need to get

numbers from my neph. next week when I go. But, my favorites are gone.

Tomatoes, peaches, cheese, potatoes (potatoes taste good without salt). I can't

immagine trying rice or grits with out a little salt, so have avoided trying

them.

Re: Diet

Hi ,

Sounds like you have just about had enough of your diet! I don't blame you.

I am not as restricted on sodium as it sounds like you are, but I am very

limited on potassium, which cuts out many of my favorite fruits and veggies,

and

also limited to 3 oz per day of protein. Yours sounds even more restrictive.

Are you allowed 2000 per day of sodium and potassium, or are you more

restricted than that?

Sorry the diet is so hard on you.

[Guest guest]

You know , none of those items were totally forbidden on either my

pre-esrd or dialysis diet. You just have to keep within the limits. The

usual 1500-2000 mg for both sodium and potassium is more than it sounds

like. For example, I'll have a BLT if I want one. I'll just use thinner

slices of tomato than I might have before, and I use reduced-sodium bacon

instead of the ordinary kind. I will add regular mayo, but just put less of

it on (salt). Once the tastebuds get used to less salt, just the salt that's

in butter is enough. Once every couple of weeks, I'll stop at Pizza Pizza

for a big slice of pizza on my way home from dialysis. The next day, I know

I have to compensate for it (both in sodium, potassium, and I count the

cheese. I eat fruits that are low in potassium, like most berries, and on

some days, as long as I keep track of my intake, I can easily have a peanut

butter, banana and brown sugar sandwich (half a banana), or I can have an

orange, a half grapefruit. Cheese is generally limited to one ounce 3 x week

for most kidney patients, but if your phosphorus isn't particularly high,

you can probably squeeze in a few more slices now and again. I often have a

cheese and lettuce sandwhich, for example. I just slice the cheese thinner

so that an ounce covers most of a piece of bread. If I know I'm going to

have rice for supper, I try to avoid more sodium the rest of the day so that

I can add a touch of salt on it, or I use Vegit. The other night, on the way

to dialysis, I stopped at Dairy Queen and got a small sundae. I knew that

was Ok because I had no dairy at all for the couple of days before.

It's a pain in the butt having to keep track of everything I eat and drink,

and having to plan meals ahead of time. And I fondly remember the days when

I used to eat a whole medium pizza with double cheese at one sitting, but

it's easier if you allow yourself some leeway rather than banning any one

food completely.

Pierre

Re: Diet

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Sounds like you have just about had enough of your diet! I don't blame

you.

> I am not as restricted on sodium as it sounds like you are, but I am

very

> limited on potassium, which cuts out many of my favorite fruits and

veggies, and

> also limited to 3 oz per day of protein. Yours sounds even more

restrictive.

>

>

> Are you allowed 2000 per day of sodium and potassium, or are you more

> restricted than that?

>

> Sorry the diet is so hard on you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Now, as for grits, I've been in the South often enough to know that's one

thing I don't miss one bit

Pierre

Re: Diet

> You might ask next time you visit your Nephrologist because you should be

> allowed to use at least some salt. I agree with you though that grits

without

> salt just wouldn't work! Can you tell I have Southern roots? I am

actually a

> Georgia peach by birth, but have lived in CA since I was a toddler, but

raised

> on good Southern cooking :-)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not for this northern city boy

Pierre

Re: Diet

> HEY PIERRE,,,,,,,GRITS IS GOOOOD WITH SOME CHEESE IN

> THEM!!!,,,,,LOL,,,,CRYSTAL

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, Man steak and grits, or fried ripe tomatoes and grits or the best, shrimp

and grits. What a treat!

Re: Diet

> You might ask next time you visit your Nephrologist because you should be

> allowed to use at least some salt. I agree with you though that grits

without

> salt just wouldn't work! Can you tell I have Southern roots? I am

actually a

> Georgia peach by birth, but have lived in CA since I was a toddler, but

raised

> on good Southern cooking :-)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that info Pierre.

I need to try that. I just got the cookbook called Cooking for :A Culinary

Dialysis Cookbook " . It looks great. It has all of the recipes with their

values under that recipe. I must say, that my edema is better. I used to think

it was normal and that everyone could make a 1/8 inch dimple in their shin by

pressing it.

Re: Diet

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Sounds like you have just about had enough of your diet! I don't blame

you.

> I am not as restricted on sodium as it sounds like you are, but I am

very

> limited on potassium, which cuts out many of my favorite fruits and

veggies, and

> also limited to 3 oz per day of protein. Yours sounds even more

restrictive.

>

>

> Are you allowed 2000 per day of sodium and potassium, or are you more

> restricted than that?

>

> Sorry the diet is so hard on you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I was born at First Baptist Hospital on Peachtree Street in beautiful

Atlanta!

[Guest guest]

Man do I ever agree Pierre! My husband travels to Tennessee all the time

for business and he has now acquired a taste for grits and I just CAN'T do

it!

Connie

Re: Diet

Now, as for grits, I've been in the South often enough to know that's one

thing I don't miss one bit

Pierre

Re: Diet

> You might ask next time you visit your Nephrologist because you should be

> allowed to use at least some salt. I agree with you though that grits

without

> salt just wouldn't work! Can you tell I have Southern roots? I am

actually a

> Georgia peach by birth, but have lived in CA since I was a toddler, but

raised

> on good Southern cooking :-)

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Grits are like rice or potatoes. They take up the flavor of what is served with

or on them. They are just starch fillers. I'll tell you what is really good,

but will burn you up if you don't watch the temp. That is grits muffins with

butter on them. My Massachusetts husband loves them. He also started liking

grits when he married me 'cuz I cook them properly.

Re: Diet

> You might ask next time you visit your Nephrologist because you should be

> allowed to use at least some salt. I agree with you though that grits

without

> salt just wouldn't work! Can you tell I have Southern roots? I am

actually a

> Georgia peach by birth, but have lived in CA since I was a toddler, but

raised

> on good Southern cooking :-)

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I think I'll stick with good ole traditional French Canadian food: French

Fries with salt and vinegar (preferably cooked in real animal fat), and

steamed hot dogs with white coleslaw on them.

I can only wish

Pierre

Re: Diet

> Grits are like rice or potatoes. They take up the flavor of what is

served with or on them. They are just starch fillers. I'll tell you what

is really good, but will burn you up if you don't watch the temp. That is

grits muffins with butter on them. My Massachusetts husband loves them. He

also started liking grits when he married me 'cuz I cook them properly.

[Guest guest]

Oh, Man are you speaking this girls language there. Just think of all that nice

salt!!!!

Re: Diet

> Grits are like rice or potatoes. They take up the flavor of what is

served with or on them. They are just starch fillers. I'll tell you what

is really good, but will burn you up if you don't watch the temp. That is

grits muffins with butter on them. My Massachusetts husband loves them. He

also started liking grits when he married me 'cuz I cook them properly.

[Guest guest]

I keep thinking that maybe if I had some T3 weight loss wouldn't be so hard.

I've ordered my labs, just waiting on the paperwork so I can have my blood

drawn. Then I guess I will make that appointment with my doctor and see if

I can't get this ball rolling.

I enjoy the Diet Rite also. I have finally remembered to start carrying

Splenda in my purse, so I have switched to fruity teas when I eat out and

use Splenda when necessary. Trying to avoid Diet Coke, etc., as much as

possible.

Jen aka Thyrodud

-- Re: diet

Hey, Jen, me too! I felt much better on Atkins (didn't notice a

change in fingernails though, mine are awful and always have been,

paper-thin) but I didn't have the willpower to stick with it like I

knew I should.

I really am going to try again starting Monday though, hope I can

get the willpower to do it. Now that I have some thyroid medicine

in me I hope that maybe this time I will be more successful than

before in my weight loss efforts. I am not taking thyroid to lose

weight in case anyone is wondering...it's just that I've been trying

off and on to lose weight for a year or so now and it was just about

impossible so I hope that if I try one more time now that my system

is better, it might be hard but not quite so impossible as before.

Gentle

P.S. Thank you so much Jen for the tip on DietRite sodas, I got some

and they taste just fine to me! Thank you very much!

[Guest guest]

I think I do. I've been trying to work on my inner voice this week, but it

has been a bit of a battle. I don't seem to have anything nice to say to

myself lately.

Jen

In the corner

-- Re: diet

ROTFLMAO!!!! NOBODY knows how to give a time-out like a super-

mom!

Gentle

> ,

>

> We never insult ourselves or others. Do you need to stand in the

corner

> until you change your attitude?

>

> in AZ

>

[Guest guest]

,

We never insult ourselves or others. Do you need to stand in the corner

until you change your attitude?

in AZ

Mom to Kayla(10), Jenna(8), (8), (6), (6), (5),

Junie(3), and (2yo twins), Jillian (13 mo) and Mahlina(9.5mo)

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Arizona_Thyroid_Groups/

www.teambettendorf.com

> If I wasn't such a weak, piece of ?#%$, I would be on the diet right now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

ROFLOL!!!! Oh ! Your discipline skills are shinning. We can see

you get lots of practice!

Blessings,

Debbie

,

We never insult ourselves or others. Do you need to stand in the corner

until you change your attitude?

in AZ

[Guest guest]

> I have to agree with you. I need additional T3 in my diet. Am

working my fanny off...(walk away the pounds with Sansone) I

am up to the 2 mile walk. Sounds easy, but let me tell you it

isn't. I work with weights while I am doing it...so I am thinking

the reason why I am not seeing weight loss is because I am toning my

muscle. I've dropped a size from 12 to 10...but my weight has stayed

the same....any suggestions? I also know that I need more T3 and I

know it would help me lose more weight.

> Hugs...PattiSue

what I have found over the years is that a proper balance between the

various hormones is necessary for weight loss and muscle tone and

keeping the weight from going on around your middle...this means,

DHEA, estrogen, progesterone, maybe even testosterone, thyroid, maybe

cortisol...in any event, too much or too little of one to the

exclusion of the others, causes lax muscles and gain around the

middle...when I got too much progesterone, this happened to me..the

diuretic effect stopped and I gained around the middle..of course we

know estrogen can do the same thing...and high DHEA can also do

it...I believe enough T3 should also help weight loss, but I have

been finding that when one of the hormones is too much, it also is

counter-productive. Especially when you are taking enough that by all

rights, your level should be good.

[Guest guest]

Anything refined isn't good for you but you do need some salt in your diet.

Instead of refined salt try Celtic Sea Salt from the Grain and Salt Society in

Asheville, NC.

diet

Hi, I'm just wondering what this group thinks of diet as a factor. I haven't

read a lot of posts about what people are eating. I hear elsewhere that the

most important thing you can do for your adrenals and thyroid is cut out all

caffeine and refined sugars because they destroy the functions. What do you

all think?

Leila Armush

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[Guest guest]

Yes I guess I should have mentioned we use Celtic Sea Salt. It is also veryvery

good for your adrenals.

Hugs..PattiSUe

diet

Hi, I'm just wondering what this group thinks of diet as a factor. I

haven't

read a lot of posts about what people are eating. I hear elsewhere that

the

most important thing you can do for your adrenals and thyroid is cut out

all

caffeine and refined sugars because they destroy the functions. What do

you

all think?

Leila Armush

Work: larmush@...

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One " that explains everything in this world

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[Guest guest]

I've been exploring how and what we eat as it relates to our weight

control and metabolism... and I set up a group site just for that..

but folks have been really quiet over there lately.... The program that

I'm using myself is something that I kinda came up with by trial and

error.. and has been working well for me....

Topper ()

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Overcoming_TD_Metabolism/

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:58:00 -0600 " Leila Armush "

writes:

> Hi, I'm just wondering what this group thinks of diet as a factor. I

> haven't

> read a lot of posts about what people are eating. I hear elsewhere

> that the

> most important thing you can do for your adrenals and thyroid is cut

> out all

> caffeine and refined sugars because they destroy the functions. What

> do you all think?

>

> Leila Armush

[Guest guest]

Just to toss up into the air..... I did really well on the carb addicts

program.. but when the company tossed us all out I couldn't afford all

the meat anymore and had to stop... but I was on it long enough to drop

enough weight for folks to comment on... and I also learned a lot about

protein carb ratios and how to learn to recognize and control carb

triggers...

I think that was a major realization for me... It allowed me to maintain

my weight, even though I had no thyroid meds... and then when I went back

on meds and my body starting working right again.. I did some tweaking

with how I eat... and now I'm losing steadily... Been on this little

self-made-up plan since October... I'm still too big to fit on the funky

scale that we have.. but I can tell by my clothes and the comments of

folks that I'm definitely smaller.... I know I've notice big changes in

how much less of me there is... and the proof was when I saw some folks

last night that I'd not seen since April... she just kept going WOW all

the time for how much I've changed... I'm smaller, my hair is lighter,

it's shinier and bouncier.. my face is a LOT thinner.. I'm all bubbly and

sparkly and giggly.. and she said that I have a spring in my step... She

also said that I was carrying my tech case and tossing it around like it

didn't weight anything... She used to have to carry it for me when I

climbed up the stairs to their computer... this time I not only carried

it myself but went up the stairs for the first time in the 4 or 5 years

that I've know them without hanging on to the hand rail and going up the

stairs one foot at a time...

When you've not been around someone for a while and they start telling

you how much you've change, for the good, it's awesome!

Topper ()

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:34:56 -0600 (Central Standard Time)

" NaughtyNeedler " writes:

> Last summer my husband and I decided to try the Atkins diet. I

> followed the

> diet for three or four weeks and got frustrated that I couldn't

> budge off of

> a six pound loss, BUT I felt better than I had in quite a while and

> my

> fingernails returned to the way they were pre-hypothyroidism. The

> fingernail thing is a big deal for me. I always had long, hard

> fingernails

> before my diagnosis and afterwards they split, chipped, and broke

> continuously. They became paper thin. The return to my old nails

> seemed nothing less than miraculous. After I quit the diet, my nails

> return to

> their previous awful state. In fact, right now, they are the worst

> they have ever been.

> My main problem with the diet was I became sick of eating eggs all

> the time.

> If I wasn't such a weak, piece of ?#%$, I would be on the diet right

> now.

> Another thing I noticed lately. After my oh so fun trip to Florida in

> January when my anxiety level went haywire and I lost 8 pounds, when

> I returned home and began to feel better, my eating began to return to

> normal

> (too many carbs) I could feel my abdomen growing. All of my weight

> gain

> upon return was in my abdomen. I have noticed of late that the talk is

> concerning body shapes and that those who have problems with carbs

> are apple shaped. It really clicked with me. I know the Atkins and

> Southbeach people

> talk about how on their low or lower carb diets your pounds

> disappear quicker around the waistline or abdomen.

> Okay, I'm getting off on a tangent now. These are just my

> observations of late.

>

>