Did you guys read about Alison's IDIOT DOC????

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This doc is the HEIGHT of IDIOCY!! He wants Alison to have a cat

scan because of her memory problems, and he blames her OBVIOUS HYPO

symptoms on her depression!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB

DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB....................................times a

thousand!!!!

Janie!!!!!!!

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> My dr is convinced that the continued hypo symptoms are caused

by

> depression and wants me to have a CAT scan asap because of my

memory

> loss -and yet wont try upping my dose even for a week to see if

it makes

> a difference =(

[Guest guest]

> This doc is the HEIGHT of IDIOCY!! He wants Alison to have a cat

> scan because of her memory problems, and he blames her OBVIOUS HYPO

> symptoms on her depression!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB

> DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB....................................times a

> thousand!!!!

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> Janie!!!!!!!

>

Unfortunately, 75% of the doctors out there are equally dumb when it

comes to matters of the thyroid.

For instance....when they created the TSH test and decided what was

to be " normal " they never bothered to screen out people who already

had thyroid disease, so their numbers went into the mix to give

us " normal. " Nor did they ever correlate TSH with what patients were

actually experiencing at various levels.

Then they took this obviously flawed way of determining what normal

is, and made it " it " instead of paying attention to the symptoms of

patients. Unbelievably dumb.

Like I wrote before, doctors are one of the worst things ever to

happen to health care.

Gentle

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I read on another group (and I don't know whether this is true as I hve not seen

the original source) that when they established the original tsh level as being

'normal'

they tested only 100 people and they were all from the same geographic area in

Scotland. Only 100 people!!!! And if the soil in that area was deficient of

essential minerals??

Lynda

Re: Did you guys read about Alison's IDIOT

DOC????

For instance....when they created the TSH test and decided what was

to be " normal " they never bothered to screen out people who already

had thyroid disease, so their numbers went into the mix to give

us " normal. " Nor did they ever correlate TSH with what patients were

actually experiencing at various levels.

Then they took this obviously flawed way of determining what normal

is, and made it " it " instead of paying attention to the symptoms of

patients. Unbelievably dumb.

Like I wrote before, doctors are one of the worst things ever to

happen to health care.

Gentle

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And here I tried so hard to be tactful when I responded... You go girl..

you're speaking for all of us and you didn't pull the punches!!!!

Topper ()

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 06:34:41 -0000 " loboshe " writes:

> This doc is the HEIGHT of IDIOCY!! He wants Alison to have a cat

> scan because of her memory problems, and he blames her OBVIOUS HYPO

> symptoms on her depression!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB

> DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB....................................times a

> thousand!!!!

>

> Janie!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

> This doc is the HEIGHT of IDIOCY!! He wants Alison to have a cat

> scan because of her memory problems, and he blames her OBVIOUS HYPO

> symptoms on her depression!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB

> DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB....................................times a

> thousand!!!!

>

> Janie!!!!!!!

run as far and as fast as you can from any doc who is that test

happy....all I can say is you must have good insurance...docs have a

field day with insurance companies that will pay for all the tests

they want to run.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Gentle,

Can you tell me where you found the information related to how the

TSH test was devised? I want to shove it down my doctor's

throat... <grin> No, not really, but he (and most others) could use a

clearer idea of why we patients are unhappy about our treatment. Thank you!

Dianne

At 10:29 AM 2/4/04 +0000, you wrote:

>Unfortunately, 75% of the doctors out there are equally dumb when it

>comes to matters of the thyroid.

>

>For instance....when they created the TSH test and decided what was

>to be " normal " they never bothered to screen out people who already

>had thyroid disease, so their numbers went into the mix to give

>us " normal. " Nor did they ever correlate TSH with what patients were

>actually experiencing at various levels.

>

>Then they took this obviously flawed way of determining what normal

>is, and made it " it " instead of paying attention to the symptoms of

>patients. Unbelievably dumb.

>

>Like I wrote before, doctors are one of the worst things ever to

>happen to health care.

>

>Gentle

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[Guest guest]

> Hi, Gentle,

>

> Can you tell me where you found the information related to

how the

> TSH test was devised? I want to shove it down my doctor's

> throat... <grin> No, not really, but he (and most others) could

use a

> clearer idea of why we patients are unhappy about our treatment.

Thank you!

>

>I hope it's okay for me to print the whole article here...I think

this might be very useful for you in enlightening your doctor...if

he's open to learning. Please note especially the quote that says

that the current thyroid screening levels are skewed by inclusion of

patients with developing thyroid disease...

It's pretty clear to me that AACE has figured out they were

wrong...that 5.0 was WAY too high...and dropped it down to about

3.00....but they need to lower it further still IMO, to about 2.00....

Remember the protests doctors made when they first were told to wash

their hands between patients? This situation with thyroid and Armour

reminds me of that....

Gentle

Jun 26 2003

Even though recommended changes to clinical laboratory standards were

announced last year, the American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists (AACE) identified changes early this year, and

journals are publishing information about the findings, your doctor

probably is still unaware that a major revamping has been done to the

so-called " normal range " for Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) tests -

- the primary blood test used by conventional doctors to diagnose

thyroid disorders.

Until recently, the standard was that the normal range for TSH at

most laboratories has fallen in the 0.5 to 5.0 range, with

hyperthyroidism being below .5, and hypothyroidism above 5.0.

The new guidelines, however, the range for acceptable thyroid

function, and thyroid treatment should be considered for patients who

test between the target TSH levels of 0.3 to 3.04, a far narrower

range.

The AACE estimates that the new guidelines actually double the number

of people who have abnormal thyroid function, bringing the total to

as many as 27 million, up from 13 million thought to have the

condition under the old guidelines.

What to Send to Your Doctor

Since your doctor is likely to say " I haven't heard anything about

these new changes, " or " the lab is still showing .5 to 5 as the

normal range, and I'm not changing anything until the lab does, " you

will want to send some materials to your doctor ahead of your next

appointment. These include the following:

1. January 2003 Press Release from the American Association of

Clinical Endocrinologists

Get a copy now

Highlight the third paragraph for your doctor. this paragraph

reads: " Until November 2002, doctors had relied on a normal TSH level

ranging from 0.5 to 5.0 to diagnose and treat patients with a thyroid

disorder who tested outside the boundaries of that range5 . Now AACE

encourages doctors to consider treatment for patients who test

outside the boundaries of a narrower margin based on a target TSH

level of 0.3 to 3.04. AACE believes the new range will result in

proper diagnosis for millions of Americans who suffer from a mild

thyroid disorder, but have gone untreated until now. "

2. The National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry, part of the Academy

of the American Association for Clinical Chemistry (AACC), Laboratory

Medicine Practice Guidelines: Laboratory Support for the Diagnosis

and Monitoring of Thyroid Disease

Get a copy now

You may want to highlight the sections that read:

" It is likely that the current upper limit of the population

reference range is skewed by the inclusion of persons with occult

thyroid dysfunction. "

" In the future, it is likely that the upper limit of the serum TSH

euthyroid reference range will be reduced to 2.5 mIU/L because >95%

of rigorously screened normal euthyroid volunteers have serum TSH

values between 0.4 and 2.5 mIU/L. "

" A serum TSH result between 0.5 and 2.0 mIU/L is generally considered

the therapeutic target for a standard L-T4 replacement dose for

primary hypothyroidism. "

" Thyroxine requirements increase during pregnancy. Thyroid status

should be checked with TSH + FT4 during each trimester of pregnancy.

The L-T4 dose should be increased (usually by 50 micrograms/day) to

maintain a serum TSH between 0.5 and 2.0 mIU/L and a serum FT4 in the

upper third of the normal reference interval. "

~ Shomon

[Guest guest]

Hi Dianne,

Print off some of the articles and interviews for Dr. Derry (on

Shomon's site). He explains all of this very clearly.

Zina

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> >Unfortunately, 75% of the doctors out there are equally dumb when

it

> >comes to matters of the thyroid.

> >

> >For instance....when they created the TSH test and decided what

was

> >to be " normal " they never bothered to screen out people who

already

> >had thyroid disease, so their numbers went into the mix to give

> >us " normal. " Nor did they ever correlate TSH with what patients

were

> >actually experiencing at various levels.

> >

> >Then they took this obviously flawed way of determining what

normal

> >is, and made it " it " instead of paying attention to the symptoms

of

> >patients. Unbelievably dumb.

> >

> >Like I wrote before, doctors are one of the worst things ever to

> >happen to health care.

> >

> >Gentle

> >

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Zina!

I must be wearing him down. He actually asked me to get the

information for him! LOL!

Dianne

At 10:15 AM 2/5/04, you wrote:

>Hi Dianne,

>

>Print off some of the articles and interviews for Dr. Derry (on

>Shomon's site). He explains all of this very clearly.

>

>Zina