Re: trying to do the right thing

February 14, 2004

Well, I guess I would choose which foods he will be allowed this

weekend, and/or how much of each (which you seem to have done). And

if he doesn't want what is allowed, then that's fine, just keep him

well hydrated; if he doesn't eat much for a couple days it will

likely be OK. Keep offering what IS allowed.

However, I don't remember all the specifics on Kenzie, so: if you

have problems with the above (like, he has a horrible reaction that

you don't think is die off, or he gets aggressive and starts hurting

people because he is so hungry, etc), then you may need to have a

plan B.

I am not the best to respond to this, because I am lucky that Adam

eats a reasonable array (not a great array, but he is happy with

sevearl meats and a few vegetables). And , who is a really

picky eater, does not have any neurological problems and her gut

problems are relatively mild compared to some of our ASD kids

(including Adam), so I admit I give in to her often (she gets nut

flour pancakes even though she hasn't eaten her meat from the night

before, etc). She is a hard nut to crack, and has not expanded her

diet to meat and veggies, except a few bites. So you are not alone.

But I just wanted to be sure someone answers you. We know you are

working so hard for your son.

I also know how hard it is to feel your other kid(s) are getting

shortchanged. Could you arrange to have them visit friends (even if

only for the day)? Or is there a relative who could take them to

the mall, or museum? Or could you just talk to them and tell

them - THIS is what we're going to concentrate on this weekend

(diet for Kenzie); I need your help to keep yourselves busy, or

keep him busy, or whatever you need. And maybe arrange to take them

and yourself to a movie on Sunday evening, while someone stays with

Kenzie? Or, if he is cooperative, maybe you all could go wander the

mall, go sledding, build a snow fort, see if the girls could create

an obstacle course or treasure hunt in the house for all to try.

Keeping Kenzie busy too may help everyone.

Sorry if this kind of advice is way off base for your family, but I

hope maybe something here sparks a helpful idea.

-- Sue, mom to Adam and

SCD 4 months

February 14, 2004

Hi Penny... I know you are trying so hard to make this work and I

know how that feels! I am not as experienced as most here.. we've

only been SCD legal for 6 months but I'll tell you what has helped

us.

After seeing Dr. McCandless we stopped the grape and apple juice

that I had done VERY diluted and switched to pear juice... I

actually use the juice from making pear sauce and further dilute it.

that has worked so nicely for us and it was just getting thrown

out.. I also use pearsauce now rather than applesauce I used for

months and my little boy has improved with that switch in fruit...

but every child is different.. just throwing out ideas here.

We also stopped the diluted carrot juice.. Elaine had told me I

could juice carrots as healing took place and do it VERY diluted.. I

was doing this but I really think it was a bit too soon... like she

had warned.. so we are off carrots except for some cooked in chicken

loaf/veggie loaf.. that has helped.

We don't do beef.. came back with sky high cholesterol on testing

and though some of that may be genetic.. we are sticking to chicken.

He loves fish but I've eliminated it since it is virtually

impossible to truly know if a particular purchase of fish is safe

from a metals standpoint.. he is toxic to several metals.

That's about it.... the pearjuice was a welcome change to him and

has helped in place of the other juices we were using... just my

experiences here for what it's worth!

Good luck!

Mom to Slater PDD/NOS 6 months SCD/dairy and egg free 2years old---

In pecanbread , " Penny Galloup " <mcksmom@3...> wrote:

> So you all know Kenzie has candida and I screwed up with all the

fruit. He hasn't had pork rinds in three days. I've limited him to

one banana in the morning but today he didn't even get that. He has

had Welch's White Grape Juice watered down. Fresh squeezed apple

juice, watered down. Suddenly doesn't want chicken any more but ate

quite a bit of steak last night. Wants to eat a lot of almond flour

cinnamon cookies. Mine come out really thin and he has had about

six today. Keeps asking for cookies. The recipe has 1/3 cup of

honey in it so maybe that's why he wants them so badly.

>

> Now this morning I tried carrot curls, butternut squash fries,

apple juice with a tiny bit of cucumber. I tried bribing with a

cookie but he wouldn't touch any of them. I did manage to give him

four medicine syringes of carrot juice. This is a three day weekend

and I want to work on this yeast. How do I get through it if he

shouldn't have any fruits or any juice and he won't eat any

veggies. I've tried in cookies before and in muffins. He won't eat

muffins and he wouldn't touch the cookies after the veggies. He

really wants to eat but he's going through " I need that sugar fix "

thing. Should I just syringe lots of carrot juice throughout the

day.

>

> Please help me get through this very loonnngg President's Day

weekend. My girls are already bored. Kenzie wants a fix. I want a

vacation. HELLLPPP!

>

> Penny

> Kenzie SCD 18wks

>

February 14, 2004

I tried pear juice yesterday. He took one sip but wouldn't drink the rest.

I'm going to have to get rid of the other juices and he'll just have to

drink that or water. As for the carrots. Now I'm bummed. What can I juice

as a vegetable to syringe into him that would be ok? I just now made him

chicken nuggets using egg and almond flour and fried them. My hub and I

thought they tasted great. He, of course, wouldn't eat them. He's driving

me crazy with the cookies today.

Thanks

Penny

Re: trying to do the right thing

> Hi Penny... I know you are trying so hard to make this work and I

> know how that feels! I am not as experienced as most here.. we've

> only been SCD legal for 6 months but I'll tell you what has helped

> us.

> After seeing Dr. McCandless we stopped the grape and apple juice

> that I had done VERY diluted and switched to pear juice... I

> actually use the juice from making pear sauce and further dilute it.

> that has worked so nicely for us and it was just getting thrown

> out.. I also use pearsauce now rather than applesauce I used for

> months and my little boy has improved with that switch in fruit...

> but every child is different.. just throwing out ideas here.

> We also stopped the diluted carrot juice.. Elaine had told me I

> could juice carrots as healing took place and do it VERY diluted.. I

> was doing this but I really think it was a bit too soon... like she

> had warned.. so we are off carrots except for some cooked in chicken

> loaf/veggie loaf.. that has helped.

> We don't do beef.. came back with sky high cholesterol on testing

> and though some of that may be genetic.. we are sticking to chicken.

> He loves fish but I've eliminated it since it is virtually

> impossible to truly know if a particular purchase of fish is safe

> from a metals standpoint.. he is toxic to several metals.

> That's about it.... the pearjuice was a welcome change to him and

> has helped in place of the other juices we were using... just my

> experiences here for what it's worth!

> Good luck!

>

> Mom to Slater PDD/NOS 6 months SCD/dairy and egg free 2years old---

> In pecanbread , " Penny Galloup " <mcksmom@3...> wrote:

> > So you all know Kenzie has candida and I screwed up with all the

> fruit. He hasn't had pork rinds in three days. I've limited him to

> one banana in the morning but today he didn't even get that. He has

> had Welch's White Grape Juice watered down. Fresh squeezed apple

> juice, watered down. Suddenly doesn't want chicken any more but ate

> quite a bit of steak last night. Wants to eat a lot of almond flour

> cinnamon cookies. Mine come out really thin and he has had about

> six today. Keeps asking for cookies. The recipe has 1/3 cup of

> honey in it so maybe that's why he wants them so badly.

> >

> > Now this morning I tried carrot curls, butternut squash fries,

> apple juice with a tiny bit of cucumber. I tried bribing with a

> cookie but he wouldn't touch any of them. I did manage to give him

> four medicine syringes of carrot juice. This is a three day weekend

> and I want to work on this yeast. How do I get through it if he

> shouldn't have any fruits or any juice and he won't eat any

> veggies. I've tried in cookies before and in muffins. He won't eat

> muffins and he wouldn't touch the cookies after the veggies. He

> really wants to eat but he's going through " I need that sugar fix "

> thing. Should I just syringe lots of carrot juice throughout the

> day.

> >

> > Please help me get through this very loonnngg President's Day

> weekend. My girls are already bored. Kenzie wants a fix. I want a

> vacation. HELLLPPP!

> >

> > Penny

> > Kenzie SCD 18wks

> >

February 14, 2004

Hi Penny......

I think the carrot juice would definitely be better than no veggies at all. Did

you mean that he refuses the cookies if you add any veggies to the cookie dough?

I'm wondering if you could swap some of the honey for a very small amount of

pureed squash..... I mean so small an amount that he couldn't detect it.....

then next time add another teaspoon. Or just try making the cookies with a bit

less honey..... the dough might be thicker but you might be able to add a touch

of water if it's too thick. HOORAY for no pork rinds in three days!!!

You're doing great, Penny. If you just don't give in to his " I need a fix "

cravings, they actually should diminish or go away altogether before long. Have

you ever tried SCD legal lemonade? A squirt of fresh lemon juice in water with

sweet and low for sweetener. If he'd accept that, you might be able to eliminate

the grape and apple juice for a while.

Patti

trying to do the right thing

So you all know Kenzie has candida and I screwed up with all the fruit. He

hasn't had pork rinds in three days. I've limited him to one banana in the

morning but today he didn't even get that. He has had Welch's White Grape Juice

watered down. Fresh squeezed apple juice, watered down. Suddenly doesn't want

chicken any more but ate quite a bit of steak last night. Wants to eat a lot of

almond flour cinnamon cookies. Mine come out really thin and he has had about

six today. Keeps asking for cookies. The recipe has 1/3 cup of honey in it so

maybe that's why he wants them so badly.

Now this morning I tried carrot curls, butternut squash fries, apple juice

with a tiny bit of cucumber. I tried bribing with a cookie but he wouldn't

touch any of them. I did manage to give him four medicine syringes of carrot

juice. This is a three day weekend and I want to work on this yeast. How do I

get through it if he shouldn't have any fruits or any juice and he won't eat any

veggies. I've tried in cookies before and in muffins. He won't eat muffins and

he wouldn't touch the cookies after the veggies. He really wants to eat but

he's going through " I need that sugar fix " thing. Should I just syringe lots of

carrot juice throughout the day.

Please help me get through this very loonnngg President's Day weekend. My

girls are already bored. Kenzie wants a fix. I want a vacation. HELLLPPP!

Penny

Kenzie SCD 18wks

February 14, 2004

Penny, I'd keep the carrot juice for the moment. You're only getting a small

amount syringed in...... he really needs the nutrients and the natural sugars in

it would be preferable/less than those in apple or grape juice..... plus carrot

juice naturally helps fight yeast. Are you adding garlic to it or would that be

something he wouldn't go for? Sounds like he might be obsessing on the cookies

due to not having his usual pork rinds as a crunchy treat. Wish we could get him

to like some of the crunchy carrot curls or something. I think the cookies are

certainly better for him than pork rinds, though. These are steps in the right

direction. Once he's been off pork rinds for a couple of weeks, I wouldn't be

surprised if he started opening up to more new things.