Re: Chair with Restraints?

[Guest guest]

He is physically ill and that is why he is hyper active. You need to treat him medically. My son use to be in perpetual motion and after years of biomed he is not quite calm and listens well. Maybe you could by him a trampoline so he could burn off his energy until you can get him healthier.

Subject: Chair with Restraints?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:53 AM

Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his room and he is trashing his room as well. I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair? My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me, sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing to worry about where he's going to run off to next.Any suggesting?Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.thanx, karen

[Guest guest]

Hi, modifying my son's diet got rid of this behavior completely. My family and

others (even my husband) used to say that it was a problem of discipline - not

enough discipline, I didn't enforce things, blah blah blah. NOT TRUE. One time

a friend of mine said, " I'll help you enforce time out " , so I said " sure " with a

smirk, knowing exactly what would happen. Sure enough, he tried to get out of

time-out over and over and over and over, never stopped trying, then with no

remorse, back to his same behavior after he was worn out and it seemed like

dang-near child abuse not to let him go.

I kept trying, but I got so frustrated that I would give him a spanking for

getting up from time out (I was NEVER able to walk away), his butt would get red

and still he would be screaming but he would not sit.

In short, knowing what I know now - it was a message, he had such horrible gut

pain that he was constantly screaming, it hurt to sit down, and bouncing all

over the furniture felt good because it relieved some kind of pressure. He

stood on his head because his brain was swelling and he needed relief. The

throwing things, it was an attention getter, impulsivity...a message, " mom I

need help " .

This is not a phase, it is gut and brain related - his yeast is surely out of

control and what will help is to put him on a very low sweet diet (including

juice) and start a rotation diet to see what foods are affecting him. We

started with GFCF, but soon took out artificial colors (Yellow#5 made him

crazy), soy, chocolate, MSG (natural flavors, yeast extract), and yeast. I put

him on a whole food diet and cooked everything from scratch and his behavior

completely turned around. I should also mention that we did about 14 rounds of

ALA chelation (Andy Cutler protocol) during the same time.

>

> Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

>

> I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I

feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

>

> Any suggesting?

>

> Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

>

> thanx, karen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I can so relate to your issue. My son is now 10 (aspergers) and we have recently

in the past few months started biomed.

I can remember when he was little (your son's age) he would be clawing to get

out of his car seat and I would have to pull over several times because he would

get out of the chair.

I agree with the other replies that biomed and dietary changes will help alot.

But you need something NOW to get you through the day. I sympathize with you and

I wish I had an answer.

Nanci

>

> Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

>

> I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I

feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

>

> Any suggesting?

>

> Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

>

> thanx, karen

>

[Guest guest]

Rifton chair? Don't know if they make them for big kids but it's usually used for kids who need positioning.Laureen

Hi -

I can so relate to your issue. My son is now 10 (aspergers) and we have recently in the past few months started biomed.

I can remember when he was little (your son's age) he would be clawing to get out of his car seat and I would have to pull over several times because he would get out of the chair.

I agree with the other replies that biomed and dietary changes will help alot. But you need something NOW to get you through the day. I sympathize with you and I wish I had an answer.

Nanci

>

> Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his room and he is trashing his room as well.

>

> I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair? My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me, sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

>

> Any suggesting?

>

> Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

>

> thanx, karen

>

[Guest guest]

NO, PLEASE do NOT restrain your child! I know its frustrating, but using

restraints make things WORSE, NEVER better!

It will not only injure your child mentally, but physically as well.

I can't think of the exact story right now (maybe someone can chime in with the

link), but in the last year there was a boy about 7 or 9 yrs old that died from

being in restraints, and left alone, I believe for a very short time like 8

minutes or something!

Even if you were " just " restraining him to " enjoy a family dinner " , its a bad

bad idea..this is NOT a behavior " problem " ..please. Consider getting advice on

bio-med, diet, etc..this has helped our family and many many others...

Please, do not do this.

>

> Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

>

> I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I

feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

>

> Any suggesting?

>

> Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

>

> thanx, karen

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Angie. I do not restrain my son but have been thinking about getting one of those big kid strollers to put him in, if I can lock the wheels and keep him from going somewhere. When I'm alone with him he runs away and climbs, and now that he's getting taller he would be able to sail over the railing at the top of our staircase and fall, which could be fatal. Since I'm alone with him a good part of the day, I don't even have time to go to the kitchen to heat up a microwave meal for him without him escaping.

 

So honestly I just don't know what to do. I'm afraid he'll get hurt left alone for a second, but now that you've mentioned this, I guess restraining him might be bad as well.

 

I have to admit there are times when we just get in the car and go somewhere because I know at least he's restrained in the car seat and can't hurt himself.

 

 

NO, PLEASE do NOT restrain your child! I know its frustrating, but using restraints make things WORSE, NEVER better!It will not only injure your child mentally, but physically as well.I can't think of the exact story right now (maybe someone can chime in with the link), but in the last year there was a boy about 7 or 9 yrs old that died from being in restraints, and left alone, I believe for a very short time like 8 minutes or something!

Even if you were " just " restraining him to " enjoy a family dinner " , its a bad bad idea..this is NOT a behavior " problem " ..please. Consider getting advice on bio-med, diet, etc..this has helped our family and many many others...

Please, do not do this. >> Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his room and he is trashing his room as well.

> > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair? My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me, sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> > Any suggesting?> > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.> > thanx, karen>

[Guest guest]

I appreciate the response...we've been using a homeopathic DAN! for 2 years now

and have been very active in biomed, and have done the appropriate cleanses for

yeast/fungus/bacteria, etc., as well as being on over a dozen supps. I wont

waste time in listing them all. We've come into a layer lately that we believe

involves PANDAS. In starting the homeopathic rememdy for this his

hyperactivity has increased. I do believe that he is going through a detox of

some sort, but as a general rule, I've never been able to get him to sit nicely

for a meal, thus the question of a seat that is appropriate.

thanx, karen

> >

> > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

> >

> > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him.

I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> >

> > Any suggesting?

> >

> > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> >

> > thanx, karen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

YIKES...I'm not looking to restrain him in the way that you are describing.

Much like a " high chair for big kids " is what I'm looking for. I certainly

wouldn't leave him alone in this chair. I'm simply looking for a way for my

family to enjoy dinner at the table together. Perhaps using the word

" restraints " was a bit harsh in my description. A secure booser with a lap

strap made for " bigger " toddlers is what I'm looking for.

I did see the rift chair....EEEEK!!...not for us at all.

We are already big into homeopathic/herbal biomed. We have been for 2 years

now. We're pealing down the layers as we can with some great successes,

recently ridding measles virus. He is a happy boy and incredibly healthy at

this point.

thanx, karen

> >

> > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

> >

> > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him.

I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> >

> > Any suggesting?

> >

> > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> >

> > thanx, karen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, I believe many parents are making their kids worse by giving them

supplements that cause yeast. I am not saying you are doing this, but be

conscious of it. After a couple years of experimenting on my own, I know my

son's yeast is triggered by certain foods in his diet as well as supplements. I

have gotten to the point where I believe most of our kids have several allergies

and less is often the way to go rather than more. For this reason, I supplement

only what is needed because of some symptom, and I try to give food-based

supplements for easy assimilation and the gentlest affect on the liver. Take

care and I hope everything gets better soon.

> > >

> > > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

> > >

> > > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him.

I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> > >

> > > Any suggesting?

> > >

> > > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> > >

> > > thanx, karen

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I knew what you were talking about.

I haven't seen these anywhere except for my son's school where he will be

starting on Monday. But on some of the chair there are lap pads that are

attached to the chair and you just set them on their legs. But I have a feeling

maybe that would not be enough for your son?

> > >

> > > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

> > >

> > > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him.

I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> > >

> > > Any suggesting?

> > >

> > > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> > >

> > > thanx, karen

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had some runners. They mostly get that way if I give them wheat, diary or unorganic foods. Even now that they are recovered, they will sneak these foods and become a runner, if they sneak enough of them. They do make fancy probiotics that help digest wheat and dairy for kids that sneak these foods. Digestive enzymes help a lot. Before getting this under control, some things I did were to put alarms on doors. You can actually get them very cheap. They are battery operated, and easy to install. You can always use velcro tape if you don't want to drill screw holes. The other thing I did was install higher railing. My railing was a half-wall, and so I added tall railing on top of it. It is within a couple of inches to the ceiling, so they can not climb over it now. I know it's difficult. People are clueless as to what parents of special needs children really go through.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Thank you, Angie. I do not restrain my son but have been thinking aboutgetting one of those big kid strollers to put him in, if I can lock thewheels and keep him from going somewhere. When I'm alone with him he runsaway and climbs, and now that he's getting taller he would be able to sailover the railing at the top of our staircase and fall, which could be fatal.Since I'm alone with him a good part of the day, I don't even have time togo to the kitchen to heat up a microwave meal for him without him escaping.So honestly I just don't know what to do. I'm afraid he'll get hurt leftalone for a second, but now that you've mentioned this, I guess restraininghim might be bad as well.I have to admit there are times when we just get in the car and go somewherebecause I know at least he's restrained in the car seat and can't hurthimself.

[Guest guest]

Have you thought about asking an OT Occupational Therapist about how to work

with him? I know all kids are different but when we put a weighted vest on my

son or a heavy weight bearing ball in his lap it will help him stay calm and

seated. We also use a squishy seat cushion so he can move in his seat but not

run around and give him a hand held fidget to keep steady.

> > >

> > > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

> > >

> > > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him.

I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> > >

> > > Any suggesting?

> > >

> > > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> > >

> > > thanx, karen

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just an FYI for anyone who needs them, I saw a bunch of those door/window alarms

at Dollar Tree the other day.

>

> I had some runners. They mostly get that way if I give them wheat, diary

> or unorganic foods. Even now that they are recovered, they will sneak

> these foods and become a runner, if they sneak enough of them. They do make

> fancy probiotics that help digest wheat and dairy for kids that sneak these

> foods. Digestive enzymes help a lot. Before getting this under control,

> some things I did were to put alarms on doors. You can actually get them

> very cheap. They are battery operated, and easy to install. You can always

> use velcro tape if you don't want to drill screw holes. The other thing I

> did was install higher railing. My railing was a half-wall, and so I added

> tall railing on top of it. It is within a couple of inches to the ceiling,

> so they can not climb over it now. I know it's difficult. People are

> clueless as to what parents of special needs children really go through.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

> Thank you, Angie. I do not restrain my son but have been thinking about

> getting one of those big kid strollers to put him in, if I can lock the

> wheels and keep him from going somewhere. When I'm alone with him he runs

> away and climbs, and now that he's getting taller he would be able to sail

> over the railing at the top of our staircase and fall, which could be

> fatal.

> Since I'm alone with him a good part of the day, I don't even have time to

> go to the kitchen to heat up a microwave meal for him without him escaping.

>

> So honestly I just don't know what to do. I'm afraid he'll get hurt left

> alone for a second, but now that you've mentioned this, I guess restraining

> him might be bad as well.

>

> I have to admit there are times when we just get in the car and go

> somewhere

> because I know at least he's restrained in the car seat and can't hurt

> himself.

>

[Guest guest]

I too would love to know what supps cause yeast because we do not like the yeast beast. Thanks!!!!!!!!

Subject: Re: Chair with Restraints?To: mb12 valtrex Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 1:24 AM

, I believe many parents are making their kids worse by giving them supplements that cause yeast. I am not saying you are doing this, but be conscious of it. After a couple years of experimenting on my own, I know my son's yeast is triggered by certain foods in his diet as well as supplements. I have gotten to the point where I believe most of our kids have several allergies and less is often the way to go rather than more. For this reason, I supplement only what is needed because of some symptom, and I try to give food-based supplements for easy assimilation and the gentlest affect on the liver. Take care and I hope everything gets better soon.> > >> > > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his room and he is trashing his room as well. > > > > > > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair? My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me, sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing to worry about where he's going to run off to next.> > > >

> > Any suggesting?> > > > > > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.> > > > > > thanx, karen> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I apologize beforehand, my parents are visiting so I have to type fast without

rewrites.

I totally understand how scary and time consuming watching a runner can be. My

son was this way until I went completely GFCF, lowered his phenol intake, use

only organic foods and took out all of the sugar. I also went thru the house and

took out off-gassing cheap furniture, use only GFCF natural cleaners and

sunscreens/shampoos/soaps and stopped the chemical pest control and use only

safe bug spray from whole foods.

I know, you're thinking, Great Jen, how!!!! He RUNS ALL THE TIME!!! I sometimes

pee my own pants because I don't have time to go to the bathroom. (true

story,sad but true,sigh and giggle).

To make all these changes I had to come up with a plan to keep him still enough

to implement this stuff.

I got a McClarren stroller (spelling?) that fits a bigger kid (although I have a

2 year old, he is a tall kid and could walk himself away in a stroller with his

long legs-another true story).

When I was at home and needed to fix the healthy foods I would strap him into

the stroller with a DVD player near by. after changing his diet and going thru

the withdrawls of the gluten and the casein along with no colors, flavors or

preservatives which make him crazy and changing apple stuff to pears to lower

his phenol intake, he became a calmer kid and began to speak. He was NV after

his regression at 18 mos and he began to talk after the diet.

It took about 3 months (I began in January of this year)and he went from being

so crazy that he wasn't able to learn in his speech therapy or OT to being a

receptive kid that loves to learn.

He is also with a Dan doctor (Dr. Lin in Irvine)and I am a RN with DAN training

so we are on a vitamin regimen. I make it really easy and order the set of stuff

from Kartner Health (vitamin/minerals, fish oil, enzymes, probiotics,

prebiotics). We are also doing mb12 shots every other day. The first thing I did

was help him sleep with 2mg of Melatonin each night. If he doesn't sleep,

neither do we then all heck breaks loose.

We have a long way to go as far as getting rid of his yeast and viral/bacterial

issues but that will come with time.

So, long story short (too late)... as you are cleaning his diet and other toxins

to help his behavior, use a larger stroller (they make them and I found some on

ebay) and a DVD player, maybe a weighted vest (I get a small backpack and put a

book in it or water bottles) he loved it. These measures won't be needed for

long.

I don't think that my son would be calm and ready to recover without the change

of diet. He was once NV and now has over 100 words and is starting sentences.

His speech therapist was 'wowed' by his change after the diet and so was I.

These kids are physically ill and they are in a lot of pain that we need to

cure.

Hang in there and I am sure everyone in this group understands where you are

coming from. Just keep you eye on the prize and slowly move forward. It isn't a

fast fix, but a slow ride to good health and happiness for your family.

BTW, I got all of my GFCF tips from the TACAnow.org website it is full of great

information like GFCF on a budget and MANY other things. Hope this helps.

GOod luck, feel free to email me.

iamjenrn@...

>

> I had some runners. They mostly get that way if I give them wheat, diary

> or unorganic foods. Even now that they are recovered, they will sneak

> these foods and become a runner, if they sneak enough of them. They do make

> fancy probiotics that help digest wheat and dairy for kids that sneak these

> foods. Digestive enzymes help a lot. Before getting this under control,

> some things I did were to put alarms on doors. You can actually get them

> very cheap. They are battery operated, and easy to install. You can always

> use velcro tape if you don't want to drill screw holes. The other thing I

> did was install higher railing. My railing was a half-wall, and so I added

> tall railing on top of it. It is within a couple of inches to the ceiling,

> so they can not climb over it now. I know it's difficult. People are

> clueless as to what parents of special needs children really go through.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

> Thank you, Angie. I do not restrain my son but have been thinking about

> getting one of those big kid strollers to put him in, if I can lock the

> wheels and keep him from going somewhere. When I'm alone with him he runs

> away and climbs, and now that he's getting taller he would be able to sail

> over the railing at the top of our staircase and fall, which could be

> fatal.

> Since I'm alone with him a good part of the day, I don't even have time to

> go to the kitchen to heat up a microwave meal for him without him escaping.

>

> So honestly I just don't know what to do. I'm afraid he'll get hurt left

> alone for a second, but now that you've mentioned this, I guess restraining

> him might be bad as well.

>

> I have to admit there are times when we just get in the car and go

> somewhere

> because I know at least he's restrained in the car seat and can't hurt

> himself.

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone tried this chair?...it's pretty close to what I'm looking for. And

for anyone who checks this link out, what do you think?

http://www.especialneeds.com/special-tomato-height-right-chair.html

karen

> > > >

> > > > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and

going through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him

in his room and he is trashing his room as well.

> > > >

> > > > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold

him. I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we

would like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a

chair? My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near

me, sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not

haveing to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> > > >

> > > > Any suggesting?

> > > >

> > > > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> > > >

> > > > thanx, karen

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, if you would only listen to me and modify his diet.

LOL!!! Just kidding, I totally missed the point of your post and I would like

to apologize. That's my ADHD and Aspie-ness coming out reading a few words and

then replying in this long post of my feelings while disregarding and having no

empathy for yours. I apologize. (Haven't tried that chair by the way

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and

going through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him

in his room and he is trashing his room as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold

him. I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we

would like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a

chair? My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near

me, sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not

haveing to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any suggesting?

> > > > >

> > > > > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> > > > >

> > > > > thanx, karen

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Young children in high chairs makes sense because they do not have the mottor

skills to control themselves. Seatbelts are needed for safety and it's the law.

However, keeping a child in a seat where they prefer to do other things is still

considered " a restraint " . Whatever form it takes ex: stroller.

It's an issue we use to have as well. My son use to eat and walk around the

house but we just prevent him from doing it. Kept bringing him back to the

table. Now he knows he is expected to sit and eat.

Marie

> > >

> > > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

> > >

> > > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him.

I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> > >

> > > Any suggesting?

> > >

> > > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> > >

> > > thanx, karen

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What I mean by restraint I guess is anything that holds him in place, when he

does not want to be in...seat belt in a stroller would be a 'restraint' in the

way I am meaning it...and really the only restraint we use IS our car seat, but

that seat is meant to be a restraint, and therefore is strongly and safely

secured to the car itself...

IF you use the stroller as a restraint, if I am reading and understanding right,

you are in an upstairs room, closed and you and him are in it all day....and you

wanted a restraint/seat so you could go out of the room for a second to -get a

meal-or whatever...but if you left the room without him now he could and will

escape??

Let's say you get a big-kid or adult stroller....and you get him strapped in the

stroller (isn't that going to be a 'fight' if he won't even sit in a

chair?)..then if he is agitated in the stroller, I would think he would be

strong enough to move the stroller around if he is flailing and angry..which

could make it tip, he could break the stroller, but more importantly he could

get really hurt...the seat belt could strangle his belly or even his neck if he

is angry and flailing around...the strollers are NOT T meant to be used like

this, they surely wouldn't be safe at all.

My first question would be, why are you guys stuck and locked in a room upstairs

all day alone? That in itself might be the beginning of the problem and the

beginning of a solution too...

Can you help me further understand you reason for this, as well as maybe your

typical schedule for the day? Maybe if we could put our heads together, we could

come up with a better solution for BOTH of you, because I could certainly

imagine how frustrated you must be in this situation to even consider

restraint...so a fresh pair of eyes might do the trick! I know that I am

exhausted (3 kids all 6 and under, and our 2 boys have Autism, one is

non-verbal)...so I know how 'in the groove' I get and that fresh perspective on

things, from another person who has 'been there-done that' usually does a world

of good for me, because with my exhaustion and frustration level elevated, its

hard for me to take a step back and 'evaluate' things clearly, ya know?!

Feel free to post here or email to chat further..but PLEASE don't do any

restraining/stroller thing until you can get some FRESH perspective,

please..because as a fellow Autism Mom, I know that I often have Mom-guilt

(times 100 for us Special Needs Moms of course) and I couldn't imagine making a

decision to restrain WITHOUT at least hearing whomever has a constructive

opinion with contrsuctive ideas to help..and then end up restraining or

something like that, and then him getting hurt, or even not getting hurt

physically, but learning about any emotional injuries after the fact..

Personal story...when my oldest turned 3 and 'aged out' our our " State's Birth

to 3 program " ..(Personally I believe states should have Birth to 5 or 6

programs, because it seemed, just as my sons got to the 3 year old mark, they

were finally settling into their 'program/routine' only to be taken out and put

into something totally new, which I believe slooooowed down my boys, if not

regressed..ya know..anyway)...he started in the public school 3yr old Special Ed

program..he was still pretty non-verbal at the time...I LOVED the 0-3 program,

had great experiences with professionals/therapists/etc (still friends to this

day)..so I had a real positive experience to this point, and supposedly, by

'statistics' the public school he was placed in was the BEST 3-4-5 year old

Special Ed program in the district...

Well. It was a short time there before I removed him, and I shold have done it

the FIRST day I saw some of the things I did, I should have listened to my

instincts...but I 'hung in there' for a full semester, and by the time I finally

removed him, it was right before Christmas, and my son, who previously LOVED

going to 'school' at his 0-3 program, was tantruming for an hour everyday before

school, and went from being almost fully potty trained (except minor poo

accidents and wiping) to needing diapers full time, not even able to wear

pull-ups, not even attempting to TRY to go potty...this is my easy

going/laughing/hardly tantruming kid...not his usual..at all.

I ended up coming into observee him, unannounced, and the principal almost sent

me away with 'you are not allowed in without a prior appt'..I said, NO way! I

watched thru the window of the classroom from the hallway...my son just sat

there (there were 3 other 3yr olds with the special ed teacher and assistant,

they shared a room with a 'regular' 4K classroom with one teacher and 25

students...ummm, what were they thinking with the distraction

level???)...anyway, the 3yr olds were just little robot 'blobs' sitting

there...the teacher or aide would color 'hand over hand', not 'letting them'

even attempt to hold the crayon or scribble...it was 'weird'....then the next

day I made an 'appt'...and I was 'allowed' to sit IN the classroom and

observe...boy, I was sooo upset...

During one of their sit down 'work times' they put my son in a restraint chair,

and instead of using it for the CORRECT and LEGAL purpose, for proper

positioning for students using it to allow them to SIT UP, rather than

'restrain'...he choose a 'regular chair' and they said 'oh no, YOU KNOW YOUR

chair' and he fell to the floor crying..a real terror cry, not fake or even a

simple tantrum...and that perked my interest so I stopped speaking to the speech

therapist who stopped by to talk to me and watched the teacher and aide hold him

down and strap him in..and he was crying, shaking his head NO NO NO OWIEEEEE and

pulling and tugging at the strap belt....I was almost in tears and ready to walk

over there to help, and the ST said 'oh, he always calms down when he realizes

they mean business and then he cooperates to do their 'work'...I was floored. He

did calm down about 10 minutes into it...I just kept telling myself, 'they are

the professionals, I just need to let them do their job, THEY went to school for

this..maybe he does NEED this because maybe he gets distracted and wants to get

up in class and play or run around and probably distracts the

others/etc....trying to justify it in my mind...

I am not going to go into other details, because there was about 15 or so things

I saw there that made me think " WTF are they doing to him when I am NOT there if

they are doing this when I AM here?! " ...

That was his last day, I never filed any offical complaints, which I SHOULD

have, but the timeframe for complaints is way passed (writing this today, I am

going to pull out my exact notes and write a letter to the district the

principal and the teacher herself..because at first I just thought, those were

things that were ok, just 'not for my son'..but have since learned

otherwise)....anyway... I STILL have visions of his face and the sound (I have

YET to hear this kind of cry again) of his crying..and it kills me everytime I

think about it, that he was treated like that for 3 full months and I TOOK him

there everyday for that...I can't imagine what he was thinking, I know it hurt

him emotionally and physically..it took 2 YEARS (and still not ok to this day

like he was in the 0-3 program) with ANY classroom setting, he regressed (for

the second time since his vaccine regression) and It pains me to think what he

thought then...now that he is verbal, he mentions that school and how it was

really bad and other things, and if he sees a chair like that he gets really

angry and upset...for instance my youngest girl (just turned 3) was in the same

0-3 program in just a 'speech playgroup' once per week to get some speech cince

her bro's haven't been too great of 'speech models, especially since one is

still non-verbal')..anyway he came to her 'graduation' day and there was a chair

in the room in the corner (for a child with CP from another group to help him

position not restrain) and he walked over, grabbed it, put it in the hallway and

said 'that should NOT be in s class, it hurts and I don't want anyone to

get owies anymore'...that was about 3 weeks ago, about a full 3 years since he

was in the 'bad chair'...so he does remember...after her graduation/last class,

on the way home he asked " did they make you sit in thw owie chair? " She

said " no " and he said " I love you, thank you " ...

Anyway, it haunts me, AND him to this day..I would HATE for that to happen to

you if you didn't at least TRY to hear anyone elses thoughts/ideas first...

Sorry for the long post, I just thought I had to share..since I didn't speak up

back then to the school or the district, or to the other parents in the

classroom, I am speaking up now in hopes to spare anyone else's child going thru

the same thing...because our kiddos do not UNDERSTAND why they would be

restrained like this, so it wouldn't be effective anyway..ya know? Like another

poster said, 'its NOT a discipline issue'...

Thanks for reading! Please post or email so we can help!!!

Angie

Mom to Ethan, , and

In mb12 valtrex , Robin Broyles wrote:

>

> Thank you, Angie. I do not restrain my son but have been thinking about

> getting one of those big kid strollers to put him in, if I can lock the

> wheels and keep him from going somewhere. When I'm alone with him he runs

> away and climbs, and now that he's getting taller he would be able to sail

> over the railing at the top of our staircase and fall, which could be fatal.

> Since I'm alone with him a good part of the day, I don't even have time to

> go to the kitchen to heat up a microwave meal for him without him escaping.

>

> So honestly I just don't know what to do. I'm afraid he'll get hurt left

> alone for a second, but now that you've mentioned this, I guess restraining

> him might be bad as well.

>

> I have to admit there are times when we just get in the car and go somewhere

> because I know at least he's restrained in the car seat and can't hurt

> himself.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > NO, PLEASE do NOT restrain your child! I know its frustrating, but using

> > restraints make things WORSE, NEVER better!

> > It will not only injure your child mentally, but physically as well.

> > I can't think of the exact story right now (maybe someone can chime in with

> > the link), but in the last year there was a boy about 7 or 9 yrs old that

> > died from being in restraints, and left alone, I believe for a very short

> > time like 8 minutes or something!

> > Even if you were " just " restraining him to " enjoy a family dinner " , its a

> > bad bad idea..this is NOT a behavior " problem " ..please. Consider getting

> > advice on bio-med, diet, etc..this has helped our family and many many

> > others...

> > Please, do not do this.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

> > through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in

> > his room and he is trashing his room as well.

> > >

> > > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold

> > him. I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when

> > we would like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of

> > such a chair? My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he

> > were near me, sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with

> > playdoe, and not haveing to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> > >

> > > Any suggesting?

> > >

> > > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> > >

> > > thanx, karen

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

A trampoline is a must for kids in recovery. It was one of the firs tools that we used when my grandson was first diagnosed. We even have a small one in his room for when he gets hyper in the house. He usually runs through the house to burn off his energy, and yesterday we played a game of throwing a ball back and forth seemed to calm him down.

From: kbelmquist <kbelmquistyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Chair with Restraints?To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:53 AM

Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his room and he is trashing his room as well. I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair? My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me, sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing to worry about where he's going to run off to next.Any suggesting?Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.thanx, karen

[Guest guest]

Don't know of a chair but if you did this you would not want the time out chair

to be the same chair used for meals. Time out would be time out; meals and/or

activities should be enjoyable and not related to time outs.

Holly

>

>

> From: kbelmquist <kbelmquistyahoo (DOT) com>

> Subject: Chair with Restraints?

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:53 AM

>

>

>  

>

> Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

>

> I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I

feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair? My

live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me, sitting

in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing to

worry about where he's going to run off to next.

>

> Any suggesting?

>

> Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

>

> thanx, karen

>

[Guest guest]

You can take your son with you to the kitchen to heat up his meal, so he won't

get hurt unsupervised. My son is always with me. If the staircase is a potential

hazard for your son, and could be fatal, it would be a good idea to make it safe

(you could extend the railing to the ceiling, or build a wall, and have a

doorway for the stairs). It would be tragic for your son to fall, after you

foresaw that it was unsafe.

Our previous home was unsafe for my son, and we chose to move. It was built on a

concrete slab, and my son falls much too often; the staircase was also a hazard

for us. We searched very hard to find the right house with wooden floors and no

stairs. When people have a child in a wheelchair, they modify the house to make

it suitable for the child. The same goes for our kids...

> > >

> > > Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

> > through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in

> > his room and he is trashing his room as well.

> > >

> > > I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold

> > him. I feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when

> > we would like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of

> > such a chair? My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he

> > were near me, sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with

> > playdoe, and not haveing to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

> > >

> > > Any suggesting?

> > >

> > > Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

> > >

> > > thanx, karen

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If I was hyperactive, and restrained against my will, I don't think I'd sit

quietly and draw or play with play dough. I think you need respite for you, not

restraints for your son. I hope he gets through his detox period soon. Are you

using charcoal to help mop up?

>

> Hi all!! My ASD son, Ian, is 4.5. He is incredibly hyperactive and going

through a destructive phase of throwing things ALL THE TIME. We put him in his

room and he is trashing his room as well.

>

> I'd like to put him in time out in a chair with straps that will hold him. I

feel as though this would be a great chair for dinner as well, when we would

like to have the whole family sit together. Does anyone know of such a chair?

My live would be much easier if there were momentw where he were near me,

sitting in a chair at the table drawing or playing with playdoe, and not haveing

to worry about where he's going to run off to next.

>

> Any suggesting?

>

> Would love personal emails as well on how you deal with this.

>

> thanx, karen

>