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Hi Kathy,

This is a repost of something I put to the list a few weeks ago. I will paste it

in for you to read. It should answer some of your questions.

Now this is a lengthy post, so be warned, but it will spark a lot of good

and helpful conversation on list so I'd like to encourage you to read it

over a few times prior to replying.

Buckle up... here it comes! *grin*.

While you read my post, keep one word in mind as you read... swings.

My 14 day average for the past three weeks is 82 or 4.5 Canadian. I am

following

bernsteins diet and have normalized my sugars.

A very important concept to understand is that there is a key difference

between running good sugars and normalizing your

sugars.

Following bernsteins diet and advice, my range is 80 at pre meal, 4.5

Canadian, 80 first

hour, 80 second hour, and 80 past that. If I go high it is like 90 to 95

(5.0 to 5.2 Canadian). This is what is meant by normalizing your sugars.

my a1c should be 4.5 but that is not the benefit, I have no swings at all in

my sugars and if so, it is only by a 10 point raze/fall. Previously I was

running an a1c of 5.2 and my sugars would go out of range to 150 and

sometimes 300. I am sure every diabetic here can relate to those *large*

swings even with a good a1c level. Those out of range times are what cause

damage and complications over time even if

your a1c is 5.

What really stuck out to me from doctor bernstein is that there is a *huge*

difference between running good sugars and running *normalized* sugars.

Normalized sugars are where you run 80 to 90 all the time (4.5 to 5.0

Canadian). That is what

mimics the perfect chemistry of a non-diabetic. In order to do that, he has

you eat only slow acting carbos from vegetables such as green beans,

broccoli, etc. The non starchy vegetables. For breakfast he has you eat 6

grams, lunch 12, and dinner 12. So you do eat carbohydrates, it is just from

slow acting carbohydrates that do not cause you to go out of range. So do

not mistake that Dr Bernstein does not have you eat carbos, you do, it is

just from slow acting carbs rather than quick acting like bread, rice,

pasta, etc. Past the slow acting carbos at each meal, he has you eat only

protein to fill up. You keep your carbo and protein levels exact at each

meal to be consistent with your insulin doses. He gave a formulat to figure

out/calculate how much *minimum* protein you need to survive. The formula

is based on your ideal weight:

weight / 2.2 = weight in kilos * 1 = total grams protein / 6

so mine is:

160 pounds divided by 2.2 equals 73 kilos times 1 equals 73 divided by 6

equals 12 ounces of protein minimum a day to survive.

So I eat 4 ounces of protein at each meal and more if I get hungry.

My doses of insulin are extremely low. Each meal I dose 3 to 4 units of

humalog and my long acting is only 8 units total a day. So I am taking 20

units of insulin total a day. Previously I would bolis 20 units of humalog

at a meal to

cover the carbs with humalog, for example pasta. Then at times would spike

out of range having misjudged the carbo content or worse yet, go low from

dosing slightly to much then I would have to over eat. All these swings

running an a1c of 5.2.

Again, the main benefit to this is your sugar runs 80 to 90 all of the time

which fully eleminates any swings. They are *normalized* and not just good.

If you swing out of range it is only by a 10 point margin so 90 for a high

or 70 to 80 for a low. Just to give you an idea... the other day I was at

work at lunch, and did not have a needle to dose my insulin so I did not get

any humalog insulin for my meal. Lunch had 12 grams of slow acting vegetable

carbs from green beans and 4 ounces of meat from tuna and cheese. Two hours

later my sugar, with no insulin, was only 120. Had I ate 12 grams of quick

acting carbs, for example a slice of bread, and did not dose humalog, my

sugar easily would have been 300!

Stick with me... let me hold your interest a little longer... keep reading!

*grin*.

This really works and I'd like to encourage you to start on it. It is not

easy, but I will no longer be eating quick acting carbs at all. Ever.

Bernstein says the day you take a bite of one, especially if you have a

carbo addiction, you will get bac on them and start experiencing the larger

swings in your sugars which cause the damage over time. Certainly eating

like this is not easy but my family is very supportive of this and sees the

benefits. My doctor as well. Bare in mind, Doctor Bernstein has been a type

1 diabetic for 60 years and is a medical doctor. He has 25 years of research

on all his patients that shows this works. While you may find this

information very challanging, I'd like to at least encourage you to be open

to study it for the information even if you do not apply it/use it.

Again, my 14 day average is 82 and my a1c will be around 4.5. However, the

main

benefit is not the a1c, the main benefit is *no more* larger swings at all.

I actually feel like I have a high sugar when my sugar is 115. It actually

feels like I am running a sugar of 300 when I reach 115 now. Without the

large swings there cannot be any damage to the body. A large swing is

anything over 120.

Bernsteins advice is that you should always view insulin like this... it is

a goal to take as little as possible at each meal. Large doses of insulin

cause high blood pressure, drastic lows, weight gain, and many other

negative side effects. By lowering your insulin requirements to the bare

minimum you are helping your body in so many ways.

I feel great! Without all those carbs and refined sugars in me my body feels

so much better!

Trust me all, start on this and in three months go to the doctor and see

the benefits. You will be amazed and feel so much better! I thought I felt

great at an a1c of 5.2 but man now do I ever feel great and packed full of

energy!

As far as protein hurting the kidneys... Bernstein has 25 years worth of

research on his patients that shows they have no kidney damage from it. In

fact, many of the patients kidneys that were showing damage reversed. Why?

Simple, it is the sugar swings and elevated a1c levels that cause the damage

to the kidneys, not protein!

Bare in mind though that you *can* damage your body running an a1c of 5

since most swing up to 170, 280, down to 50, and so on. It is partially

deceptive thinking that an a1c of 5 wil not cause complications over time

since it certainly can. Think of how often you swing out of range either

high or very low miscalculating quick acting carbos. The swings are what

cause the damage even with an a1c of 5. When you *normalize* your sugars,

you never go out of range so the swings cannot damage your body.

I'd like to encourage you to view your diabetes management as controling

swings rather than only viewing your control by an a1c. How often do you

swing out of range? Start to notice this since it is what causes the damage.

I never swing out of range now following dr b's medical advice.

I never go out of range... I am running 80 all the time.

One more thing... I'd like to encourage you to purchase dr bernsteins audio

series on his training. It is a bit pricy, $129 plus shipping, but it

contains 6 hours/all the training he would give you if you were there so

well worth the cost considering you do not have to fly to new york for the

training nor pay him directly for it. Most of the information I knew but the

few nuggets I picked up were worth the cost. They will prolong my life.

I particurally know that you will enjoy his scientific explanations on many

aspects of diabetes on the body. Those segments are clinical in nature but

very easy to understand. Fascinating really.

Here is some information on the audio cds then a link that will take you to

the page where you can order them if you want too. I strongly encourage you

to do it if you can afford it. It will refine you to perfection and you will

no longer swing.

The Most Complete, Step By Step Diabetes Solution Program is now available

on 5 CD's

For Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes, Secrets To Normal Blood Sugars is the entire

education program taught by Dr. K. Bernstein to his patients.

A compilation of his two best selling books, Diabetes Solution, and The

Diabetes Diet, the Secrets To Normal Blood Sugars contains new, more

up-to-date

information, and is being made available on 5 Audio CD's, categorized by

subject, and containing 6 hours of education that can be listened to

anywhere,

making this beyond question, the easiest way to educate yourself and your

patients on how to better manage diabetes, and stop forever the

complications

of cronic high blood sugars.

These CDs were recorded during actual visits to Dr. Bernstein's office. He

reviews with you the steps you need to take in order to control your blood

sugars

and prevent the complications from diabetes.

Dr. Bernstein, author of the Diabetes Solution and The Diabetes Diet spends

six hours educating and teaching you all about ways to control your

diabetes.

From diet, exercise, medications, foot care, dental care, blood glucose

monitoring, how insulin works, you will learn the same knowledge that he

gives

to his patients when they come to his office in Mamaroneck, NY.

His insights will provide you the knowledge to understand how your body

works and how you can overcome the problems that are associated with

diabetes.

There is a package for Type 1 Diabetes and Type 2 Diabetes.

5 CD's Containing The

Personal Diabetes Education Program

taught by Dr. Bernstein to his patients.

You'd have to fly to New York to get this anywhere else.

You can pick up a copy of the audio cds here:

http://www.diabetes911.net/secrets.php

Regards,

now for my first question,

Hi:

I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on

one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe he is

also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The lowest I have

heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher. I am trying to get

him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as of yet he is just

trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more

and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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Hi Kathy,

I am not sure when you joined the list or if you have seen my posts today so I

am going to copy/paste and repost this one below and one more. Here it is...

I had posted a message to the list a while back on normalizing blood sugars.

I wanted to post a follow-up to this situation for everyone to have some

food for thought.

Here is why I decided to start following bernsteins approach to normalizing

blood sugars.

1 month ago I went for a doctors appointment and my kidney creatine was up

to 2.0. This was getting to be a high level for my body/weight and my doctor

was concerned. I.E I weigh 165 pounds so a creatinine reading of 2.0 is

pretty serious. It was not to the point of failure, however, 3 years ago it

was at 1.7.

My a1c for the past 3 years ran 5.0 to 5.2. However, in the past 3 years my

kidney function went from 1.7, to 1.8, to 1.9, and eventually 2.0. It was

declining over the past three years even with my a1c between 5.0 to 5.2.

Interesting I thought. How could this be if my a1c was 5.0 to 5.2 for the

past three years? Doesn't a good a1c level mean reduced risk of

complications?

I found out that no, In fact, the a1c level is slightly deceptive. Even

though my a1c average was 5.0 to 5.2 I would still swing out of range quite

a bit due to eating quick acting carbs and miscalculating them.

So what caused the decline in your kidney function?

Simply put, the amount of times I swung out of range of a normal blood

sugar. A normalized blood sugar range, according to doctor bernstein, is 80

to 90 or 4.5 to 5.0 Canadian. There is a huge difference between running

good sugars and *normalized* sugars.

I am sure each person on here can relate to swinging out of range. For

example, you eat some pasta, a few bread sticks, and dose what you think is

enough humalog or novalog to cover the meal and bolis for it. Perhaps your

two hour post is 50, or you miscalculated so your two hour post is 190. You

might think that those levels are not all that bad to hit occasionally but

that thought is not correct. At any point you swing out of the range 80 to

90 it causes damage because it is *not* a normal blood sugar. Let me repeat

that one more time. At any point you swing out of the range 80 to 90 it can

cause damage to your body because it is not a *normalized* sugar range.

Wait! I thought an a1c of 5.0 meant you were safe.

So did I. However, this is not true. Let me encourage you to sit down and

evaluate how often you swing out of the range of 80 to 90. In a days time,

how often are you out of the range of 80 to 90? In a weeks time? How about

in a months time? I think if you actually watched how often you swung out of

the range of 80 to 90 you would be shocked. I know I was. The range of 80 to

90 is a normalized blood sugar. At any point you swing out of that range you

are causing damage to your body. Over time it will damage your internal

organs even ifyou run an a1c of 5.0.

Folks, I have said all of this to say that after following doctor bernsteins

routine for controlling blood sugar for only 1 month, my creatinine went

from 2.0 to 1.6. This was only in 1 months time and was a *substantial* drop

in the level. Thank God! I am sure that over the next few months it will

drop even more.

How could this be possible? I thought that kidney damage was not reversable?

I have normalized my sugars. 98% of the time I am at 80 to 90. If I ever

swing out of range a low for me is 70 and a high is 110. Big difference

there between the past swings of 50 to 190 plus. Secondly the frequency of

swinging out of range might only happen once a week for me now where as

previously, when eating quick acting carbs, I could swing out of range 3

times a day even with my a1c being 5.0 to 5.2!

Benefits of bernsteins approach:

1. the range of a swing is very small such as 70 to 110 as oppose Again,

there is a big difference between running good sugars and *normalized*

sugars. to 40 to 200.

2. swings only happen around once a week, or less, as oppose to swinging out

of range 3 times a day or 15 to 30 times a week etc.

The more you swing out of the range of 80 to 90, the more opportunity

diabetes has to kill you.

I simply wanted to post this to the list to spark your thoughts, get

reactions from you on it, and more than anything let you see my results of

following doctor bernsteins diet.

To repeat, in only one month, my kidney creatine went from 2.0 to 1.6.

Normal is 1.4.

So does bernstein know what he is talking about? Yes, he does. My body is

proof of it.

I eat only slow acting carbs from vegetables and tons of meat. The

meat/protein did not hurt my kidneys at all. In fact it helped them. How? By

giving me the ability to not swing out of the range of 80 to 90.

Bernstein states that Protein does not hurt your kidneys, he states the

sugar swings do and he has 25 years of research on his patients to proove

it. Now I am one of his statistics too! Hurray!

Ok, by this point I probably have a few of you hopping mad *grin*. How could

he post this rubbish of eating protein and saying quick acting carbs are bad

and that an a1c of 5.0 does not mean you will not have complications?

Well... I can post this factual information based on my own lab work and the

25 years worth of patient research that dr bernstein has on his patients.

my lab work proves that bernstein is correct and the ADA is wrong.

I hope you will at least read this over a few times and consider what I am

posting. Even if you do not agree with it, even if it makes you mad, at

least read and understand that my creatinine has improved from 2.0 to 1.6

and kidney damage, according to many, is *not* reversible. Well, mine

reversed following bernsteins diet and his diabetic suggestions for

*normalizing* blood sugars.

Good luck and I hope others decide to follow doctor bernsteins diet and

start to normalize your sugars. It will *prevent* diabetic complications.

For those of you who have elevated creatinine levels, do what I did...

follow bernsteins diet for 1 month then go see if your creatinine has came

down.

I am back on list so if anyone wants to post followup questions to my

results/post, please feel free and I will answer you. I am working 50 to 70

hour weeks but felt it was necessary to be here for at least a few days to

answer some questions.

Thanks and looking forward to questions and meeting some new friends.

Note: if you are new to list I have been around here for about 3 years but

on / off no mail status due to my work schedule.

Regards,

now for my first question,

Hi:

I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on

one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe he is

also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The lowest I have

heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher. I am trying to get

him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as of yet he is just

trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more

and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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Hi again Kathy,

this is the final repost I will put out here for you. If you have any questions,

please let me know. Essentially any quick acting carb will make blood sugar

control near to impossible so he should not eat them. If he quits eating quick

acting carbs his medication will need *majorly* reduced since all diabetic

medication works on one thing, quick acting carbohydrates. Your brother can pick

up the book " diabetes solution revised " by Doctor K Bernstein at any

bookstore in his area. Have him read that book. Here is a little more

information...

Ruth's questions/concerns are in the *begin quote* and *end Quote* and then I

answer some of her concerns after the *end quote*. This way you understand what

exactly is going on.

I have been a type 1 diabetic for 30 years so am very educated on the disease

and have been through many forums of treatment starting in the mid 1970's

up to today so I am no newbie to this battle, trust me.

* begin quote *

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but . . . one reduced lab result is NOT

enough evidence to justify Dr Bernstein's diet. Creatnin readings can go up

and down for a number of reasons. You may have been dehydrated, or started

exercising more or a few other factors which can affect creatnin readings

and make them go up and down.

* end quote *

First it is not a diet, it is a method to normalize your sugars. If someone came

to you and said Ruth, you can run a sugar of 80 or 4.5 all the time and

fully elemenate all diabetic complications, would you take them up on the offer?

Yes, creatinine can go up and down based on various criteria and I would agree

with this point if there were not any constants in place in my experiment.

However, there are several constants in place to justify the stance that the

diet worked for me. I'd like to encourage everyone to put their frustration

aside as you read this post and please consider the facts I am now going to

post. It backs what I am saying.

My creatinine was at 2.0 and dropped to 1.6 in a month. That is a significant

drop considering all the constants were the exact same in my

experiment/equation.

Constants...

1. no exercise. I never exercise.

2. fully hydrated with water and no other form of fluid to prevent any hint of

dehydration.

3. same sleep schedule.

4. same work schedule/hours.

5. no other strainful activities permitted in my schedule/experiment including

sex with my wife! ouch! *grin*.

These constants were in place two months ago and my creatinine was 2.0. These

constants remained in place past that reading of 2.0 for 35 days to minimize

any silly instances of the creatinine was effected by dehydration, exercise, or

strainful activity. I intentionally made a strong concentrated effort to

keep them the same for validity of the experiment.

the only thing that changed over a month was my swings were eliminated, I

removed my diet of all quick acting carbs, and my 14 day average on my blood

meter

is now 82. *grin*.

The only thing that changed over the 35 day experiment was my sugars were

normalized to run 80 to 90 and my diet was adjusted to not include any quick

acting

carbs. With those two new variables in the equation the results, in my opinion,

are valid even though it is one reading of 1.6 since I had the constants

in place afore mentioned.

Also I have a history of myself for 3 years keeping most of those constants in

place and my creatinine declined from 1.7 to 2.0 with again running an a1c

of 5.0 to 5.2.

* begin quote *

You need more readings to prove Dr.

Bernstein's point. You do have a good A1C but despite this, damage once

started does not stop, it just slows don and does not keep happening so

rapidly.

* end quote *

What research do you base that statement on that it only slows down kidney

failure and once it starts, it will continue slowly? Try telling Bernstein that

arguement and his 25 years worth of patient research will quickly proove that

arguement wrong.

Hey, my creatinine went from 2.0 to 1.6. If it was only going to slow it down

then I would still be at 2.0 for a few more months then go to 2.2, then to

2.3 and so on. Right?

Wrong. I went from 2.0 to 1.6 which means it bettered and hopefully is

reversing.

Again, I must revert to the *fact* that Doctor Bernstein has 25 years worth of

patient research that shows that patients diabetic complications reversed,

based on how far along they were, and in short, it is more normal for them to

reverse rather than worsen. Bottom line, if you do not swing out of range

of 80 to 90 you cannot simply go blind, lose legs, have kidney failure, simply

because you are a diabetic. Running normalized sugars elemenates *all*

complications

and in more cases than not, will reverse the complications.

Doctor Bernstein has had type 1 diabetes for 60 years with no complications and

all of his reversed. They were extremely bad too from kidney failure, to

scar tissue on the heart, to neuropathy in the legs, and more. Once he ran

normalized sugars the complications reversed and to this day he has *no*

complications.

* begin quote *

the damage cannot effect People who have double transplants of a pancreas and a

kidney will

still continue to have damage, but at an incredibly slow rate. Almost

negligible in fact but not out right stopped.

* end quote *

Show me the research on this you are stating it as though it is factual.

* begin quote *

For As I have pointed out to

Harry before, we have needs for fruit and other things in our diet.

* end quote *

You are exactly correct. We need fruit in our diet. However, did you realize

that a cucumber is classified as a fruit and a green pepper as well? Any

vegetable/fruit

that has a seed in it is classified as a fruit. However, it is a grave mistake

to only consider the quick acting carbohydrate fruits as fruit. That is

not true. You can get the same nutrients from fruits such as green peppers,

cucumbers, zucchini, summer squash, and so on minus the spikes in your sugar.

* begin quote *

And large amounts of meat do harm your kidney. If you are

already having troubles, the meat makes your kidney work harder when it is

already struggling.

* end quote *

Try telling doctor Bernstein that one *laugh*.

Actually, at a creatinine level of 2.0 most doctors would have put me on no more

than 4 ounces of meet a day, packed me full of quick acting carbs to make

up for the loss of meat, and I would have had kidney failure from the swings,

not the meat!

I only dose 20 units of insulin a day total and had I followed traditional

treatment of lessoning protein, increasing carbs, I would have been at 20 units

per meal!

Instead, I eat 12 to 14 ounces of meat a day, slow acting carbs from vegetables,

and my creatinine went from 2.0 to 1.6.

Sorry, I do not buy the theory that meat hurts a diabetics kidney. I realize

that this goes against traditional doctor reasoning but my lab work, along

with Bernsteins 25 years of research, prove that protein does not hurt the

kidneys... swings in your sugars do!

* begin quote *

and I do agree that swings in blood sugars do cause damage but do it in a

balanced and sane manner!

* end quote *

So my creatinine was 2.0 and now is 1.6. What is insane about that *scratch

head*.

To me, that is superb and very rational and sane!

What seems more insane to me is to argue that you must eat quick acting carbs,

swing out of range often, and have to live with diabetic complications!

Regards,

now for my first question,

Hi:

I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on

one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe he is

also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The lowest I have

heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher. I am trying to get

him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as of yet he is just

trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more

and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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I don't think I have followed this thread but one thing I would ask is do

you count the amount of carbs he eats?

As , Harry, Mike and would say " count those carbs, count

those carbs, count those carbs " until you are completely sick of doing carb

counting then take a deep breath and keep on keeping on!

The only way to get Diabetes under control is to monitor what you eat and

know how much medication you need to counteract the carbs you take in.

HTH, Cy, the Ancient Okie...

now for my first question,

Hi:

I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on

one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe

he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The

lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher.

I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as

of yet he is just trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go

along, I will have more and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask

questions and learn.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden

retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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Several things would be extremely helpful to know. Being a type2 diabetic

for ten years is one of them. Knowing exactly the names of his medications

and the dosage per day would be another thing to know. It sounds like he

has never been educated about carb counting. This is vital knowledge for

him to know and practice. Does he keep his own chart? In other words does

he keep records of what he eats, drinks and his activity level along with

his medication time and amount of dose.? Does he have a computer?

Does he have a loose leaf note book and a pencil? Does he have a sugar

meter?

If one is a diabetic, certain tools are required to master blood glucose

control. Those already mentioned along with knowledge and the ability to

count will get him off to a good start. If he has a doctor who is willing

to co-opeerate with him and the advice he receives, he is even in a better

position to gain control of his situation. The folks here know what they

are talking about. They saved my leg from amputation, taught me how to

count carbs, dose insulin, and how to educate my prescribing doctor. I am

not kidding or making up stories. These things actually happened. How old

is your brother?

Tell him we wish him well, and I do mean well. If he can read, we can send

him some very informative messages and files. If he cannot read, then you

will have to tell him every thing, and he can tell his doctor. We do not

hide from the truth even when it is something we do not want to hear.

now for my first question,

> Hi:

> I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is

> on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I

> believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to

> high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the

> 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to

> a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family

> doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions.

> Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn.

> and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden

> retrievers,

> The more you invest in a marriage,

> the more valuable it becomes.

> - Amy Grant

>

>

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He has dyslexia, so things have to be read to him. He has a computer, but we

are trying to get a screen reader for him now. I believe we are going to try

the thunder screen reader that is free to those who can not see or read. He has

my mother and his wife to read to him too. He has a glucose meter. I am not

sure what kind of medicine he is on, but can find out. I thank you all for the

willingness to help me help him. He is 49 and will be 50 years old in December.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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Thanks you and will be looking into all of this.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers,

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the more valuable it becomes.

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As a note, Dr Bernstein's book is available on cassette from the Braille

Institute in Las Angeles.

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

Re: now for my first question,

Hi again Kathy,

this is the final repost I will put out here for you. If you have any

questions, please let me know. Essentially any quick acting carb will make

blood sugar control near to impossible so he should not eat them. If he

quits eating quick acting carbs his medication will need *majorly* reduced

since all diabetic medication works on one thing, quick acting

carbohydrates. Your brother can pick up the book " diabetes solution revised "

by Doctor K Bernstein at any bookstore in his area. Have him read

that book. Here is a little more information...

Ruth's questions/concerns are in the *begin quote* and *end Quote* and then

I answer some of her concerns after the *end quote*. This way you understand

what exactly is going on.

I have been a type 1 diabetic for 30 years so am very educated on the

disease and have been through many forums of treatment starting in the mid

1970's up to today so I am no newbie to this battle, trust me.

* begin quote *

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but . . . one reduced lab result is NOT

enough evidence to justify Dr Bernstein's diet. Creatnin readings can go up

and down for a number of reasons. You may have been dehydrated, or started

exercising more or a few other factors which can affect creatnin readings

and make them go up and down.

* end quote *

First it is not a diet, it is a method to normalize your sugars. If someone

came to you and said Ruth, you can run a sugar of 80 or 4.5 all the time and

fully elemenate all diabetic complications, would you take them up on the

offer?

Yes, creatinine can go up and down based on various criteria and I would

agree with this point if there were not any constants in place in my

experiment.

However, there are several constants in place to justify the stance that the

diet worked for me. I'd like to encourage everyone to put their frustration

aside as you read this post and please consider the facts I am now going to

post. It backs what I am saying.

My creatinine was at 2.0 and dropped to 1.6 in a month. That is a

significant drop considering all the constants were the exact same in my

experiment/equation.

Constants...

1. no exercise. I never exercise.

2. fully hydrated with water and no other form of fluid to prevent any hint

of dehydration.

3. same sleep schedule.

4. same work schedule/hours.

5. no other strainful activities permitted in my schedule/experiment

including sex with my wife! ouch! *grin*.

These constants were in place two months ago and my creatinine was 2.0.

These constants remained in place past that reading of 2.0 for 35 days to

minimize any silly instances of the creatinine was effected by dehydration,

exercise, or strainful activity. I intentionally made a strong concentrated

effort to keep them the same for validity of the experiment.

the only thing that changed over a month was my swings were eliminated, I

removed my diet of all quick acting carbs, and my 14 day average on my blood

meter is now 82. *grin*.

The only thing that changed over the 35 day experiment was my sugars were

normalized to run 80 to 90 and my diet was adjusted to not include any quick

acting carbs. With those two new variables in the equation the results, in

my opinion, are valid even though it is one reading of 1.6 since I had the

constants in place afore mentioned.

Also I have a history of myself for 3 years keeping most of those constants

in place and my creatinine declined from 1.7 to 2.0 with again running an

a1c of 5.0 to 5.2.

* begin quote *

You need more readings to prove Dr.

Bernstein's point. You do have a good A1C but despite this, damage once

started does not stop, it just slows don and does not keep happening so

rapidly.

* end quote *

What research do you base that statement on that it only slows down kidney

failure and once it starts, it will continue slowly? Try telling Bernstein

that arguement and his 25 years worth of patient research will quickly

proove that arguement wrong.

Hey, my creatinine went from 2.0 to 1.6. If it was only going to slow it

down then I would still be at 2.0 for a few more months then go to 2.2, then

to

2.3 and so on. Right?

Wrong. I went from 2.0 to 1.6 which means it bettered and hopefully is

reversing.

Again, I must revert to the *fact* that Doctor Bernstein has 25 years worth

of patient research that shows that patients diabetic complications

reversed, based on how far along they were, and in short, it is more normal

for them to reverse rather than worsen. Bottom line, if you do not swing out

of range of 80 to 90 you cannot simply go blind, lose legs, have kidney

failure, simply because you are a diabetic. Running normalized sugars

elemenates *all* complications and in more cases than not, will reverse the

complications.

Doctor Bernstein has had type 1 diabetes for 60 years with no complications

and all of his reversed. They were extremely bad too from kidney failure, to

scar tissue on the heart, to neuropathy in the legs, and more. Once he ran

normalized sugars the complications reversed and to this day he has *no*

complications.

* begin quote *

the damage cannot effect People who have double transplants of a pancreas

and a kidney will still continue to have damage, but at an incredibly slow

rate. Almost negligible in fact but not out right stopped.

* end quote *

Show me the research on this you are stating it as though it is factual.

* begin quote *

For As I have pointed out to

Harry before, we have needs for fruit and other things in our diet.

* end quote *

You are exactly correct. We need fruit in our diet. However, did you realize

that a cucumber is classified as a fruit and a green pepper as well? Any

vegetable/fruit that has a seed in it is classified as a fruit. However, it

is a grave mistake to only consider the quick acting carbohydrate fruits as

fruit. That is not true. You can get the same nutrients from fruits such as

green peppers, cucumbers, zucchini, summer squash, and so on minus the

spikes in your sugar.

* begin quote *

And large amounts of meat do harm your kidney. If you are already having

troubles, the meat makes your kidney work harder when it is already

struggling.

* end quote *

Try telling doctor Bernstein that one *laugh*.

Actually, at a creatinine level of 2.0 most doctors would have put me on no

more than 4 ounces of meet a day, packed me full of quick acting carbs to

make up for the loss of meat, and I would have had kidney failure from the

swings, not the meat!

I only dose 20 units of insulin a day total and had I followed traditional

treatment of lessoning protein, increasing carbs, I would have been at 20

units per meal!

Instead, I eat 12 to 14 ounces of meat a day, slow acting carbs from

vegetables, and my creatinine went from 2.0 to 1.6.

Sorry, I do not buy the theory that meat hurts a diabetics kidney. I realize

that this goes against traditional doctor reasoning but my lab work, along

with Bernsteins 25 years of research, prove that protein does not hurt the

kidneys... swings in your sugars do!

* begin quote *

and I do agree that swings in blood sugars do cause damage but do it in a

balanced and sane manner!

* end quote *

So my creatinine was 2.0 and now is 1.6. What is insane about that *scratch

head*.

To me, that is superb and very rational and sane!

What seems more insane to me is to argue that you must eat quick acting

carbs, swing out of range often, and have to live with diabetic

complications!

Regards,

now for my first question,

Hi:

I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is

on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I

believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high.

The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or

higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to a

specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family doctor. I

am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions. Thank you for

letting me ask questions and learn.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden

retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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,

You might want to join the

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Because the Thunder Screen Reader has been discussed and one of the members,

Richie Gardenhire, has tried it out.

It may well save you a lot of headaches and hair pulling...

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

Re: now for my first question,

He has dyslexia, so things have to be read to him. He has a computer, but

we are trying to get a screen reader for him now. I believe we are going to

try the thunder screen reader that is free to those who can not see or read.

He has my mother and his wife to read to him too. He has a glucose meter.

I am not sure what kind of medicine he is on, but can find out. I thank you

all for the willingness to help me help him. He is 49 and will be 50 years

old in December.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden

retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes.

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Kathy, you cant control brittle diabetes by just doing one shot a day? you

need humalog each meal and a long acting insulin once a day. this doctor is

not well informed about diabetes your brother needs to find a better doctor

who know more about diabetes. from canada

now for my first question,

> Hi:

> I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is

> on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I

> believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to

> high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the

> 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to

> a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family

> doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions.

> Thank you for

> letting me ask questions and learn.

> and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden

> retrievers,

> The more you invest in a marriage,

> the more valuable it becomes.

> - Amy Grant

>

>

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I believe there is a text reader called Reader Pal that highlights the words

on the screen as it is vocalized by his speakers. It may be a free program.

I will have to check into it to see for sure. Dr. Bernstein's CD's for the

type2 diabetic is a great way for a dyslexic to learn, since it is entirely

in audio. My son, who is a type2 diabetic, also has dyslexia, and this is

the reason I bought the CD set for him. I am giving it to him for a

Christmas present, since it is a $129 item. The book can be purchased

Diabetes Solution revised and updated, which is a $25 item. By the time one

purchases every thing, not including his diet book they will have over $150

USA invested in the CD's and book.

Re: now for my first question,

> He has dyslexia, so things have to be read to him. He has a computer, but

> we are trying to get a screen reader for him now. I believe we are going

> to try the thunder screen reader that is free to those who can not see or

> read. He has my mother and his wife to read to him too. He has a glucose

> meter. I am not sure what kind of medicine he is on, but can find out. I

> thank you all for the willingness to help me help him. He is 49 and will

> be 50 years old in December.

>

> and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden

> retrievers,

> The more you invest in a marriage,

> the more valuable it becomes.

> - Amy Grant

>

>

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H, dear Kathy. He definitely needs to see an indocrinologist. He is not

getting enough insulin. Is he taking a glucose level several times a day?

He is probably not eating low carb either (am I supposeing correctly)?

now for my first question,

Hi:

I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on

one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe

he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The

lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher.

I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as

of yet he is just trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go

along, I will have more and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask

questions and learn.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden

retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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You are right on all accounts. He loves bread, and is always eating bread, even

though we keep telling him that is not good for him. I need to compile info for

him so I can show him what he is doing wrong. I am going to save your message,

so we can get his insurance to give us a doctor that they will cover. I knew

that he needed a specialist.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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Kathy,

he should not eat *any* quick acting carbos. They break down to sugar and spike

his sugar. He should only eat slow acting carbos. Please consider getting doctor

bernsteins audio cds on type 2 diabetics and you listen to them and you become

educated. Good for you and connie! You ladies are so loving to care about your

hubbies this much to be here.

You are good wives.

Regards,

Re: now for my first question,

You are right on all accounts. He loves bread, and is always eating bread,

even though we keep telling him that is not good for him. I need to compile info

for him so I can show him what he is doing wrong. I am going to save your

message, so we can get his insurance to give us a doctor that they will cover. I

knew that he needed a specialist.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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It isn't my husband, it is my brother.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers,

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the more valuable it becomes.

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*laugh*... sorry about that!

Regards,

Re: now for my first question,

It isn't my husband, it is my brother.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers,

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the more valuable it becomes.

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Kathy, Not only is bread not good for him, but anything made of flour or

anything thatis whiteexcept cauliflower! It is very hard to change

someone's diet;even when they see what their badk eating habits do to them.

It is beyond me why people are like that, but it seems to be the case over

and over again.

Re: now for my first question,

You are right on all accounts. He loves bread, and is always eating bread,

even though we keep telling him that is not good for him. I need to compile

info for him so I can show him what he is doing wrong. I am going to save

your message, so we can get his insurance to give us a doctor that they will

cover. I knew that he needed a specialist.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden

retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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There are also some good books by Gretchen Becker about managing type 2

diabetes-they are available on Talking Books, for people who need that and

from Amazon if the person is sighted.

Re: now for my first question,

Kathy,

he should not eat *any* quick acting carbos. They break down to sugar and

spike his sugar. He should only eat slow acting carbos. Please consider

getting doctor bernsteins audio cds on type 2 diabetics and you listen to

them and you become educated. Good for you and connie! You ladies are so

loving to care about your hubbies this much to be here.

You are good wives.

Regards,

Re: now for my first question,

You are right on all accounts. He loves bread, and is always eating bread,

even though we keep telling him that is not good for him. I need to compile

info for him so I can show him what he is doing wrong. I am going to save

your message, so we can get his insurance to give us a doctor that they will

cover. I knew that he needed a specialist.

and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden

retrievers,

The more you invest in a marriage,

the more valuable it becomes.

- Amy Grant

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