Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hi Kathy, This is a repost of something I put to the list a few weeks ago. I will paste it in for you to read. It should answer some of your questions. Now this is a lengthy post, so be warned, but it will spark a lot of good and helpful conversation on list so I'd like to encourage you to read it over a few times prior to replying. Buckle up... here it comes! *grin*. While you read my post, keep one word in mind as you read... swings. My 14 day average for the past three weeks is 82 or 4.5 Canadian. I am following bernsteins diet and have normalized my sugars. A very important concept to understand is that there is a key difference between running good sugars and normalizing your sugars. Following bernsteins diet and advice, my range is 80 at pre meal, 4.5 Canadian, 80 first hour, 80 second hour, and 80 past that. If I go high it is like 90 to 95 (5.0 to 5.2 Canadian). This is what is meant by normalizing your sugars. my a1c should be 4.5 but that is not the benefit, I have no swings at all in my sugars and if so, it is only by a 10 point raze/fall. Previously I was running an a1c of 5.2 and my sugars would go out of range to 150 and sometimes 300. I am sure every diabetic here can relate to those *large* swings even with a good a1c level. Those out of range times are what cause damage and complications over time even if your a1c is 5. What really stuck out to me from doctor bernstein is that there is a *huge* difference between running good sugars and running *normalized* sugars. Normalized sugars are where you run 80 to 90 all the time (4.5 to 5.0 Canadian). That is what mimics the perfect chemistry of a non-diabetic. In order to do that, he has you eat only slow acting carbos from vegetables such as green beans, broccoli, etc. The non starchy vegetables. For breakfast he has you eat 6 grams, lunch 12, and dinner 12. So you do eat carbohydrates, it is just from slow acting carbohydrates that do not cause you to go out of range. So do not mistake that Dr Bernstein does not have you eat carbos, you do, it is just from slow acting carbs rather than quick acting like bread, rice, pasta, etc. Past the slow acting carbos at each meal, he has you eat only protein to fill up. You keep your carbo and protein levels exact at each meal to be consistent with your insulin doses. He gave a formulat to figure out/calculate how much *minimum* protein you need to survive. The formula is based on your ideal weight: weight / 2.2 = weight in kilos * 1 = total grams protein / 6 so mine is: 160 pounds divided by 2.2 equals 73 kilos times 1 equals 73 divided by 6 equals 12 ounces of protein minimum a day to survive. So I eat 4 ounces of protein at each meal and more if I get hungry. My doses of insulin are extremely low. Each meal I dose 3 to 4 units of humalog and my long acting is only 8 units total a day. So I am taking 20 units of insulin total a day. Previously I would bolis 20 units of humalog at a meal to cover the carbs with humalog, for example pasta. Then at times would spike out of range having misjudged the carbo content or worse yet, go low from dosing slightly to much then I would have to over eat. All these swings running an a1c of 5.2. Again, the main benefit to this is your sugar runs 80 to 90 all of the time which fully eleminates any swings. They are *normalized* and not just good. If you swing out of range it is only by a 10 point margin so 90 for a high or 70 to 80 for a low. Just to give you an idea... the other day I was at work at lunch, and did not have a needle to dose my insulin so I did not get any humalog insulin for my meal. Lunch had 12 grams of slow acting vegetable carbs from green beans and 4 ounces of meat from tuna and cheese. Two hours later my sugar, with no insulin, was only 120. Had I ate 12 grams of quick acting carbs, for example a slice of bread, and did not dose humalog, my sugar easily would have been 300! Stick with me... let me hold your interest a little longer... keep reading! *grin*. This really works and I'd like to encourage you to start on it. It is not easy, but I will no longer be eating quick acting carbs at all. Ever. Bernstein says the day you take a bite of one, especially if you have a carbo addiction, you will get bac on them and start experiencing the larger swings in your sugars which cause the damage over time. Certainly eating like this is not easy but my family is very supportive of this and sees the benefits. My doctor as well. Bare in mind, Doctor Bernstein has been a type 1 diabetic for 60 years and is a medical doctor. He has 25 years of research on all his patients that shows this works. While you may find this information very challanging, I'd like to at least encourage you to be open to study it for the information even if you do not apply it/use it. Again, my 14 day average is 82 and my a1c will be around 4.5. However, the main benefit is not the a1c, the main benefit is *no more* larger swings at all. I actually feel like I have a high sugar when my sugar is 115. It actually feels like I am running a sugar of 300 when I reach 115 now. Without the large swings there cannot be any damage to the body. A large swing is anything over 120. Bernsteins advice is that you should always view insulin like this... it is a goal to take as little as possible at each meal. Large doses of insulin cause high blood pressure, drastic lows, weight gain, and many other negative side effects. By lowering your insulin requirements to the bare minimum you are helping your body in so many ways. I feel great! Without all those carbs and refined sugars in me my body feels so much better! Trust me all, start on this and in three months go to the doctor and see the benefits. You will be amazed and feel so much better! I thought I felt great at an a1c of 5.2 but man now do I ever feel great and packed full of energy! As far as protein hurting the kidneys... Bernstein has 25 years worth of research on his patients that shows they have no kidney damage from it. In fact, many of the patients kidneys that were showing damage reversed. Why? Simple, it is the sugar swings and elevated a1c levels that cause the damage to the kidneys, not protein! Bare in mind though that you *can* damage your body running an a1c of 5 since most swing up to 170, 280, down to 50, and so on. It is partially deceptive thinking that an a1c of 5 wil not cause complications over time since it certainly can. Think of how often you swing out of range either high or very low miscalculating quick acting carbos. The swings are what cause the damage even with an a1c of 5. When you *normalize* your sugars, you never go out of range so the swings cannot damage your body. I'd like to encourage you to view your diabetes management as controling swings rather than only viewing your control by an a1c. How often do you swing out of range? Start to notice this since it is what causes the damage. I never swing out of range now following dr b's medical advice. I never go out of range... I am running 80 all the time. One more thing... I'd like to encourage you to purchase dr bernsteins audio series on his training. It is a bit pricy, $129 plus shipping, but it contains 6 hours/all the training he would give you if you were there so well worth the cost considering you do not have to fly to new york for the training nor pay him directly for it. Most of the information I knew but the few nuggets I picked up were worth the cost. They will prolong my life. I particurally know that you will enjoy his scientific explanations on many aspects of diabetes on the body. Those segments are clinical in nature but very easy to understand. Fascinating really. Here is some information on the audio cds then a link that will take you to the page where you can order them if you want too. I strongly encourage you to do it if you can afford it. It will refine you to perfection and you will no longer swing. The Most Complete, Step By Step Diabetes Solution Program is now available on 5 CD's For Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes, Secrets To Normal Blood Sugars is the entire education program taught by Dr. K. Bernstein to his patients. A compilation of his two best selling books, Diabetes Solution, and The Diabetes Diet, the Secrets To Normal Blood Sugars contains new, more up-to-date information, and is being made available on 5 Audio CD's, categorized by subject, and containing 6 hours of education that can be listened to anywhere, making this beyond question, the easiest way to educate yourself and your patients on how to better manage diabetes, and stop forever the complications of cronic high blood sugars. These CDs were recorded during actual visits to Dr. Bernstein's office. He reviews with you the steps you need to take in order to control your blood sugars and prevent the complications from diabetes. Dr. Bernstein, author of the Diabetes Solution and The Diabetes Diet spends six hours educating and teaching you all about ways to control your diabetes. From diet, exercise, medications, foot care, dental care, blood glucose monitoring, how insulin works, you will learn the same knowledge that he gives to his patients when they come to his office in Mamaroneck, NY. His insights will provide you the knowledge to understand how your body works and how you can overcome the problems that are associated with diabetes. There is a package for Type 1 Diabetes and Type 2 Diabetes. 5 CD's Containing The Personal Diabetes Education Program taught by Dr. Bernstein to his patients. You'd have to fly to New York to get this anywhere else. You can pick up a copy of the audio cds here: http://www.diabetes911.net/secrets.php Regards, now for my first question, Hi: I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hi Kathy, I am not sure when you joined the list or if you have seen my posts today so I am going to copy/paste and repost this one below and one more. Here it is... I had posted a message to the list a while back on normalizing blood sugars. I wanted to post a follow-up to this situation for everyone to have some food for thought. Here is why I decided to start following bernsteins approach to normalizing blood sugars. 1 month ago I went for a doctors appointment and my kidney creatine was up to 2.0. This was getting to be a high level for my body/weight and my doctor was concerned. I.E I weigh 165 pounds so a creatinine reading of 2.0 is pretty serious. It was not to the point of failure, however, 3 years ago it was at 1.7. My a1c for the past 3 years ran 5.0 to 5.2. However, in the past 3 years my kidney function went from 1.7, to 1.8, to 1.9, and eventually 2.0. It was declining over the past three years even with my a1c between 5.0 to 5.2. Interesting I thought. How could this be if my a1c was 5.0 to 5.2 for the past three years? Doesn't a good a1c level mean reduced risk of complications? I found out that no, In fact, the a1c level is slightly deceptive. Even though my a1c average was 5.0 to 5.2 I would still swing out of range quite a bit due to eating quick acting carbs and miscalculating them. So what caused the decline in your kidney function? Simply put, the amount of times I swung out of range of a normal blood sugar. A normalized blood sugar range, according to doctor bernstein, is 80 to 90 or 4.5 to 5.0 Canadian. There is a huge difference between running good sugars and *normalized* sugars. I am sure each person on here can relate to swinging out of range. For example, you eat some pasta, a few bread sticks, and dose what you think is enough humalog or novalog to cover the meal and bolis for it. Perhaps your two hour post is 50, or you miscalculated so your two hour post is 190. You might think that those levels are not all that bad to hit occasionally but that thought is not correct. At any point you swing out of the range 80 to 90 it causes damage because it is *not* a normal blood sugar. Let me repeat that one more time. At any point you swing out of the range 80 to 90 it can cause damage to your body because it is not a *normalized* sugar range. Wait! I thought an a1c of 5.0 meant you were safe. So did I. However, this is not true. Let me encourage you to sit down and evaluate how often you swing out of the range of 80 to 90. In a days time, how often are you out of the range of 80 to 90? In a weeks time? How about in a months time? I think if you actually watched how often you swung out of the range of 80 to 90 you would be shocked. I know I was. The range of 80 to 90 is a normalized blood sugar. At any point you swing out of that range you are causing damage to your body. Over time it will damage your internal organs even ifyou run an a1c of 5.0. Folks, I have said all of this to say that after following doctor bernsteins routine for controlling blood sugar for only 1 month, my creatinine went from 2.0 to 1.6. This was only in 1 months time and was a *substantial* drop in the level. Thank God! I am sure that over the next few months it will drop even more. How could this be possible? I thought that kidney damage was not reversable? I have normalized my sugars. 98% of the time I am at 80 to 90. If I ever swing out of range a low for me is 70 and a high is 110. Big difference there between the past swings of 50 to 190 plus. Secondly the frequency of swinging out of range might only happen once a week for me now where as previously, when eating quick acting carbs, I could swing out of range 3 times a day even with my a1c being 5.0 to 5.2! Benefits of bernsteins approach: 1. the range of a swing is very small such as 70 to 110 as oppose Again, there is a big difference between running good sugars and *normalized* sugars. to 40 to 200. 2. swings only happen around once a week, or less, as oppose to swinging out of range 3 times a day or 15 to 30 times a week etc. The more you swing out of the range of 80 to 90, the more opportunity diabetes has to kill you. I simply wanted to post this to the list to spark your thoughts, get reactions from you on it, and more than anything let you see my results of following doctor bernsteins diet. To repeat, in only one month, my kidney creatine went from 2.0 to 1.6. Normal is 1.4. So does bernstein know what he is talking about? Yes, he does. My body is proof of it. I eat only slow acting carbs from vegetables and tons of meat. The meat/protein did not hurt my kidneys at all. In fact it helped them. How? By giving me the ability to not swing out of the range of 80 to 90. Bernstein states that Protein does not hurt your kidneys, he states the sugar swings do and he has 25 years of research on his patients to proove it. Now I am one of his statistics too! Hurray! Ok, by this point I probably have a few of you hopping mad *grin*. How could he post this rubbish of eating protein and saying quick acting carbs are bad and that an a1c of 5.0 does not mean you will not have complications? Well... I can post this factual information based on my own lab work and the 25 years worth of patient research that dr bernstein has on his patients. my lab work proves that bernstein is correct and the ADA is wrong. I hope you will at least read this over a few times and consider what I am posting. Even if you do not agree with it, even if it makes you mad, at least read and understand that my creatinine has improved from 2.0 to 1.6 and kidney damage, according to many, is *not* reversible. Well, mine reversed following bernsteins diet and his diabetic suggestions for *normalizing* blood sugars. Good luck and I hope others decide to follow doctor bernsteins diet and start to normalize your sugars. It will *prevent* diabetic complications. For those of you who have elevated creatinine levels, do what I did... follow bernsteins diet for 1 month then go see if your creatinine has came down. I am back on list so if anyone wants to post followup questions to my results/post, please feel free and I will answer you. I am working 50 to 70 hour weeks but felt it was necessary to be here for at least a few days to answer some questions. Thanks and looking forward to questions and meeting some new friends. Note: if you are new to list I have been around here for about 3 years but on / off no mail status due to my work schedule. Regards, now for my first question, Hi: I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hi again Kathy, this is the final repost I will put out here for you. If you have any questions, please let me know. Essentially any quick acting carb will make blood sugar control near to impossible so he should not eat them. If he quits eating quick acting carbs his medication will need *majorly* reduced since all diabetic medication works on one thing, quick acting carbohydrates. Your brother can pick up the book " diabetes solution revised " by Doctor K Bernstein at any bookstore in his area. Have him read that book. Here is a little more information... Ruth's questions/concerns are in the *begin quote* and *end Quote* and then I answer some of her concerns after the *end quote*. This way you understand what exactly is going on. I have been a type 1 diabetic for 30 years so am very educated on the disease and have been through many forums of treatment starting in the mid 1970's up to today so I am no newbie to this battle, trust me. * begin quote * I hate to be the bearer of bad news but . . . one reduced lab result is NOT enough evidence to justify Dr Bernstein's diet. Creatnin readings can go up and down for a number of reasons. You may have been dehydrated, or started exercising more or a few other factors which can affect creatnin readings and make them go up and down. * end quote * First it is not a diet, it is a method to normalize your sugars. If someone came to you and said Ruth, you can run a sugar of 80 or 4.5 all the time and fully elemenate all diabetic complications, would you take them up on the offer? Yes, creatinine can go up and down based on various criteria and I would agree with this point if there were not any constants in place in my experiment. However, there are several constants in place to justify the stance that the diet worked for me. I'd like to encourage everyone to put their frustration aside as you read this post and please consider the facts I am now going to post. It backs what I am saying. My creatinine was at 2.0 and dropped to 1.6 in a month. That is a significant drop considering all the constants were the exact same in my experiment/equation. Constants... 1. no exercise. I never exercise. 2. fully hydrated with water and no other form of fluid to prevent any hint of dehydration. 3. same sleep schedule. 4. same work schedule/hours. 5. no other strainful activities permitted in my schedule/experiment including sex with my wife! ouch! *grin*. These constants were in place two months ago and my creatinine was 2.0. These constants remained in place past that reading of 2.0 for 35 days to minimize any silly instances of the creatinine was effected by dehydration, exercise, or strainful activity. I intentionally made a strong concentrated effort to keep them the same for validity of the experiment. the only thing that changed over a month was my swings were eliminated, I removed my diet of all quick acting carbs, and my 14 day average on my blood meter is now 82. *grin*. The only thing that changed over the 35 day experiment was my sugars were normalized to run 80 to 90 and my diet was adjusted to not include any quick acting carbs. With those two new variables in the equation the results, in my opinion, are valid even though it is one reading of 1.6 since I had the constants in place afore mentioned. Also I have a history of myself for 3 years keeping most of those constants in place and my creatinine declined from 1.7 to 2.0 with again running an a1c of 5.0 to 5.2. * begin quote * You need more readings to prove Dr. Bernstein's point. You do have a good A1C but despite this, damage once started does not stop, it just slows don and does not keep happening so rapidly. * end quote * What research do you base that statement on that it only slows down kidney failure and once it starts, it will continue slowly? Try telling Bernstein that arguement and his 25 years worth of patient research will quickly proove that arguement wrong. Hey, my creatinine went from 2.0 to 1.6. If it was only going to slow it down then I would still be at 2.0 for a few more months then go to 2.2, then to 2.3 and so on. Right? Wrong. I went from 2.0 to 1.6 which means it bettered and hopefully is reversing. Again, I must revert to the *fact* that Doctor Bernstein has 25 years worth of patient research that shows that patients diabetic complications reversed, based on how far along they were, and in short, it is more normal for them to reverse rather than worsen. Bottom line, if you do not swing out of range of 80 to 90 you cannot simply go blind, lose legs, have kidney failure, simply because you are a diabetic. Running normalized sugars elemenates *all* complications and in more cases than not, will reverse the complications. Doctor Bernstein has had type 1 diabetes for 60 years with no complications and all of his reversed. They were extremely bad too from kidney failure, to scar tissue on the heart, to neuropathy in the legs, and more. Once he ran normalized sugars the complications reversed and to this day he has *no* complications. * begin quote * the damage cannot effect People who have double transplants of a pancreas and a kidney will still continue to have damage, but at an incredibly slow rate. Almost negligible in fact but not out right stopped. * end quote * Show me the research on this you are stating it as though it is factual. * begin quote * For As I have pointed out to Harry before, we have needs for fruit and other things in our diet. * end quote * You are exactly correct. We need fruit in our diet. However, did you realize that a cucumber is classified as a fruit and a green pepper as well? Any vegetable/fruit that has a seed in it is classified as a fruit. However, it is a grave mistake to only consider the quick acting carbohydrate fruits as fruit. That is not true. You can get the same nutrients from fruits such as green peppers, cucumbers, zucchini, summer squash, and so on minus the spikes in your sugar. * begin quote * And large amounts of meat do harm your kidney. If you are already having troubles, the meat makes your kidney work harder when it is already struggling. * end quote * Try telling doctor Bernstein that one *laugh*. Actually, at a creatinine level of 2.0 most doctors would have put me on no more than 4 ounces of meet a day, packed me full of quick acting carbs to make up for the loss of meat, and I would have had kidney failure from the swings, not the meat! I only dose 20 units of insulin a day total and had I followed traditional treatment of lessoning protein, increasing carbs, I would have been at 20 units per meal! Instead, I eat 12 to 14 ounces of meat a day, slow acting carbs from vegetables, and my creatinine went from 2.0 to 1.6. Sorry, I do not buy the theory that meat hurts a diabetics kidney. I realize that this goes against traditional doctor reasoning but my lab work, along with Bernsteins 25 years of research, prove that protein does not hurt the kidneys... swings in your sugars do! * begin quote * and I do agree that swings in blood sugars do cause damage but do it in a balanced and sane manner! * end quote * So my creatinine was 2.0 and now is 1.6. What is insane about that *scratch head*. To me, that is superb and very rational and sane! What seems more insane to me is to argue that you must eat quick acting carbs, swing out of range often, and have to live with diabetic complications! Regards, now for my first question, Hi: I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 , I don't think I have followed this thread but one thing I would ask is do you count the amount of carbs he eats? As , Harry, Mike and would say " count those carbs, count those carbs, count those carbs " until you are completely sick of doing carb counting then take a deep breath and keep on keeping on! The only way to get Diabetes under control is to monitor what you eat and know how much medication you need to counteract the carbs you take in. HTH, Cy, the Ancient Okie... now for my first question, Hi: I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Several things would be extremely helpful to know. Being a type2 diabetic for ten years is one of them. Knowing exactly the names of his medications and the dosage per day would be another thing to know. It sounds like he has never been educated about carb counting. This is vital knowledge for him to know and practice. Does he keep his own chart? In other words does he keep records of what he eats, drinks and his activity level along with his medication time and amount of dose.? Does he have a computer? Does he have a loose leaf note book and a pencil? Does he have a sugar meter? If one is a diabetic, certain tools are required to master blood glucose control. Those already mentioned along with knowledge and the ability to count will get him off to a good start. If he has a doctor who is willing to co-opeerate with him and the advice he receives, he is even in a better position to gain control of his situation. The folks here know what they are talking about. They saved my leg from amputation, taught me how to count carbs, dose insulin, and how to educate my prescribing doctor. I am not kidding or making up stories. These things actually happened. How old is your brother? Tell him we wish him well, and I do mean well. If he can read, we can send him some very informative messages and files. If he cannot read, then you will have to tell him every thing, and he can tell his doctor. We do not hide from the truth even when it is something we do not want to hear. now for my first question, > Hi: > I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is > on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I > believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to > high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the > 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to > a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family > doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions. > Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn. > and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden > retrievers, > The more you invest in a marriage, > the more valuable it becomes. > - Amy Grant > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 He has dyslexia, so things have to be read to him. He has a computer, but we are trying to get a screen reader for him now. I believe we are going to try the thunder screen reader that is free to those who can not see or read. He has my mother and his wife to read to him too. He has a glucose meter. I am not sure what kind of medicine he is on, but can find out. I thank you all for the willingness to help me help him. He is 49 and will be 50 years old in December. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Thanks you and will be looking into all of this. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 As a note, Dr Bernstein's book is available on cassette from the Braille Institute in Las Angeles. Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: now for my first question, Hi again Kathy, this is the final repost I will put out here for you. If you have any questions, please let me know. Essentially any quick acting carb will make blood sugar control near to impossible so he should not eat them. If he quits eating quick acting carbs his medication will need *majorly* reduced since all diabetic medication works on one thing, quick acting carbohydrates. Your brother can pick up the book " diabetes solution revised " by Doctor K Bernstein at any bookstore in his area. Have him read that book. Here is a little more information... Ruth's questions/concerns are in the *begin quote* and *end Quote* and then I answer some of her concerns after the *end quote*. This way you understand what exactly is going on. I have been a type 1 diabetic for 30 years so am very educated on the disease and have been through many forums of treatment starting in the mid 1970's up to today so I am no newbie to this battle, trust me. * begin quote * I hate to be the bearer of bad news but . . . one reduced lab result is NOT enough evidence to justify Dr Bernstein's diet. Creatnin readings can go up and down for a number of reasons. You may have been dehydrated, or started exercising more or a few other factors which can affect creatnin readings and make them go up and down. * end quote * First it is not a diet, it is a method to normalize your sugars. If someone came to you and said Ruth, you can run a sugar of 80 or 4.5 all the time and fully elemenate all diabetic complications, would you take them up on the offer? Yes, creatinine can go up and down based on various criteria and I would agree with this point if there were not any constants in place in my experiment. However, there are several constants in place to justify the stance that the diet worked for me. I'd like to encourage everyone to put their frustration aside as you read this post and please consider the facts I am now going to post. It backs what I am saying. My creatinine was at 2.0 and dropped to 1.6 in a month. That is a significant drop considering all the constants were the exact same in my experiment/equation. Constants... 1. no exercise. I never exercise. 2. fully hydrated with water and no other form of fluid to prevent any hint of dehydration. 3. same sleep schedule. 4. same work schedule/hours. 5. no other strainful activities permitted in my schedule/experiment including sex with my wife! ouch! *grin*. These constants were in place two months ago and my creatinine was 2.0. These constants remained in place past that reading of 2.0 for 35 days to minimize any silly instances of the creatinine was effected by dehydration, exercise, or strainful activity. I intentionally made a strong concentrated effort to keep them the same for validity of the experiment. the only thing that changed over a month was my swings were eliminated, I removed my diet of all quick acting carbs, and my 14 day average on my blood meter is now 82. *grin*. The only thing that changed over the 35 day experiment was my sugars were normalized to run 80 to 90 and my diet was adjusted to not include any quick acting carbs. With those two new variables in the equation the results, in my opinion, are valid even though it is one reading of 1.6 since I had the constants in place afore mentioned. Also I have a history of myself for 3 years keeping most of those constants in place and my creatinine declined from 1.7 to 2.0 with again running an a1c of 5.0 to 5.2. * begin quote * You need more readings to prove Dr. Bernstein's point. You do have a good A1C but despite this, damage once started does not stop, it just slows don and does not keep happening so rapidly. * end quote * What research do you base that statement on that it only slows down kidney failure and once it starts, it will continue slowly? Try telling Bernstein that arguement and his 25 years worth of patient research will quickly proove that arguement wrong. Hey, my creatinine went from 2.0 to 1.6. If it was only going to slow it down then I would still be at 2.0 for a few more months then go to 2.2, then to 2.3 and so on. Right? Wrong. I went from 2.0 to 1.6 which means it bettered and hopefully is reversing. Again, I must revert to the *fact* that Doctor Bernstein has 25 years worth of patient research that shows that patients diabetic complications reversed, based on how far along they were, and in short, it is more normal for them to reverse rather than worsen. Bottom line, if you do not swing out of range of 80 to 90 you cannot simply go blind, lose legs, have kidney failure, simply because you are a diabetic. Running normalized sugars elemenates *all* complications and in more cases than not, will reverse the complications. Doctor Bernstein has had type 1 diabetes for 60 years with no complications and all of his reversed. They were extremely bad too from kidney failure, to scar tissue on the heart, to neuropathy in the legs, and more. Once he ran normalized sugars the complications reversed and to this day he has *no* complications. * begin quote * the damage cannot effect People who have double transplants of a pancreas and a kidney will still continue to have damage, but at an incredibly slow rate. Almost negligible in fact but not out right stopped. * end quote * Show me the research on this you are stating it as though it is factual. * begin quote * For As I have pointed out to Harry before, we have needs for fruit and other things in our diet. * end quote * You are exactly correct. We need fruit in our diet. However, did you realize that a cucumber is classified as a fruit and a green pepper as well? Any vegetable/fruit that has a seed in it is classified as a fruit. However, it is a grave mistake to only consider the quick acting carbohydrate fruits as fruit. That is not true. You can get the same nutrients from fruits such as green peppers, cucumbers, zucchini, summer squash, and so on minus the spikes in your sugar. * begin quote * And large amounts of meat do harm your kidney. If you are already having troubles, the meat makes your kidney work harder when it is already struggling. * end quote * Try telling doctor Bernstein that one *laugh*. Actually, at a creatinine level of 2.0 most doctors would have put me on no more than 4 ounces of meet a day, packed me full of quick acting carbs to make up for the loss of meat, and I would have had kidney failure from the swings, not the meat! I only dose 20 units of insulin a day total and had I followed traditional treatment of lessoning protein, increasing carbs, I would have been at 20 units per meal! Instead, I eat 12 to 14 ounces of meat a day, slow acting carbs from vegetables, and my creatinine went from 2.0 to 1.6. Sorry, I do not buy the theory that meat hurts a diabetics kidney. I realize that this goes against traditional doctor reasoning but my lab work, along with Bernsteins 25 years of research, prove that protein does not hurt the kidneys... swings in your sugars do! * begin quote * and I do agree that swings in blood sugars do cause damage but do it in a balanced and sane manner! * end quote * So my creatinine was 2.0 and now is 1.6. What is insane about that *scratch head*. To me, that is superb and very rational and sane! What seems more insane to me is to argue that you must eat quick acting carbs, swing out of range often, and have to live with diabetic complications! Regards, now for my first question, Hi: I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 , You might want to join the help_needed_list-subscribe Because the Thunder Screen Reader has been discussed and one of the members, Richie Gardenhire, has tried it out. It may well save you a lot of headaches and hair pulling... Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: now for my first question, He has dyslexia, so things have to be read to him. He has a computer, but we are trying to get a screen reader for him now. I believe we are going to try the thunder screen reader that is free to those who can not see or read. He has my mother and his wife to read to him too. He has a glucose meter. I am not sure what kind of medicine he is on, but can find out. I thank you all for the willingness to help me help him. He is 49 and will be 50 years old in December. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Kathy, you cant control brittle diabetes by just doing one shot a day? you need humalog each meal and a long acting insulin once a day. this doctor is not well informed about diabetes your brother needs to find a better doctor who know more about diabetes. from canada now for my first question, > Hi: > I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is > on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I > believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to > high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the > 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to > a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family > doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions. > Thank you for > letting me ask questions and learn. > and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden > retrievers, > The more you invest in a marriage, > the more valuable it becomes. > - Amy Grant > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I believe there is a text reader called Reader Pal that highlights the words on the screen as it is vocalized by his speakers. It may be a free program. I will have to check into it to see for sure. Dr. Bernstein's CD's for the type2 diabetic is a great way for a dyslexic to learn, since it is entirely in audio. My son, who is a type2 diabetic, also has dyslexia, and this is the reason I bought the CD set for him. I am giving it to him for a Christmas present, since it is a $129 item. The book can be purchased Diabetes Solution revised and updated, which is a $25 item. By the time one purchases every thing, not including his diet book they will have over $150 USA invested in the CD's and book. Re: now for my first question, > He has dyslexia, so things have to be read to him. He has a computer, but > we are trying to get a screen reader for him now. I believe we are going > to try the thunder screen reader that is free to those who can not see or > read. He has my mother and his wife to read to him too. He has a glucose > meter. I am not sure what kind of medicine he is on, but can find out. I > thank you all for the willingness to help me help him. He is 49 and will > be 50 years old in December. > > and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden > retrievers, > The more you invest in a marriage, > the more valuable it becomes. > - Amy Grant > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 H, dear Kathy. He definitely needs to see an indocrinologist. He is not getting enough insulin. Is he taking a glucose level several times a day? He is probably not eating low carb either (am I supposeing correctly)? now for my first question, Hi: I guess I am wondering why we can not get his sugar under control. He is on one shot of insolent a day and he started this a few months ago. I believe he is also taking pills to control it, but it is still way to high. The lowest I have heard it be is about 238, and usually in the 300's or higher. I am trying to get him to get his doctor to send him to a specialist, but as of yet he is just trusting his regular family doctor. I am sure as I go along, I will have more and more questions. Thank you for letting me ask questions and learn. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 You are right on all accounts. He loves bread, and is always eating bread, even though we keep telling him that is not good for him. I need to compile info for him so I can show him what he is doing wrong. I am going to save your message, so we can get his insurance to give us a doctor that they will cover. I knew that he needed a specialist. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Kathy, he should not eat *any* quick acting carbos. They break down to sugar and spike his sugar. He should only eat slow acting carbos. Please consider getting doctor bernsteins audio cds on type 2 diabetics and you listen to them and you become educated. Good for you and connie! You ladies are so loving to care about your hubbies this much to be here. You are good wives. Regards, Re: now for my first question, You are right on all accounts. He loves bread, and is always eating bread, even though we keep telling him that is not good for him. I need to compile info for him so I can show him what he is doing wrong. I am going to save your message, so we can get his insurance to give us a doctor that they will cover. I knew that he needed a specialist. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 It isn't my husband, it is my brother. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 *laugh*... sorry about that! Regards, Re: now for my first question, It isn't my husband, it is my brother. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Kathy, Not only is bread not good for him, but anything made of flour or anything thatis whiteexcept cauliflower! It is very hard to change someone's diet;even when they see what their badk eating habits do to them. It is beyond me why people are like that, but it seems to be the case over and over again. Re: now for my first question, You are right on all accounts. He loves bread, and is always eating bread, even though we keep telling him that is not good for him. I need to compile info for him so I can show him what he is doing wrong. I am going to save your message, so we can get his insurance to give us a doctor that they will cover. I knew that he needed a specialist. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 There are also some good books by Gretchen Becker about managing type 2 diabetes-they are available on Talking Books, for people who need that and from Amazon if the person is sighted. Re: now for my first question, Kathy, he should not eat *any* quick acting carbos. They break down to sugar and spike his sugar. He should only eat slow acting carbos. Please consider getting doctor bernsteins audio cds on type 2 diabetics and you listen to them and you become educated. Good for you and connie! You ladies are so loving to care about your hubbies this much to be here. You are good wives. Regards, Re: now for my first question, You are right on all accounts. He loves bread, and is always eating bread, even though we keep telling him that is not good for him. I need to compile info for him so I can show him what he is doing wrong. I am going to save your message, so we can get his insurance to give us a doctor that they will cover. I knew that he needed a specialist. and Pilot Dog Deena, and Retired guide, Copper, both golden retrievers, The more you invest in a marriage, the more valuable it becomes. - Amy Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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