Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Good going . I encourage you to strive for an A1C nearer the normal range of 4.2-5.2. test results > Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: > > A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) > > Total cholesterol 157 > > HDL 69 > > LDl70 > > Triglycerides 131 > > Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) > > Weight is slight down from last time > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 I've been trying Harry, but with all the gastropuresis, kidney problems and other stress, I have had a bad time with the blood sugars during the last 3 moonths. Re: test results Good going . I encourage you to strive for an A1C nearer the normal range of 4.2-5.2. test results > Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: > > A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) > > Total cholesterol 157 > > HDL 69 > > LDl70 > > Triglycerides 131 > > Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) > > Weight is slight down from last time > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 My God Pat, are you trying to tell us that you are human? (LOL) AS my father often told me " Son, anyone can roll a ball downhill. " When things in your body are all sorta clicking along blood sugar control is one thing but, when various parts of the body are experiencing difficulty, things external to your body are causing undue stress or some of your necessary medications change then it is another matter altogether. God bless you Pat, hang in there and the old ship will right itself once again. Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: test results Good going . I encourage you to strive for an A1C nearer the normal range of 4.2-5.2. test results > Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: > > A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) > > Total cholesterol 157 > > HDL 69 > > LDl70 > > Triglycerides 131 > > Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) > > Weight is slight down from last time > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 I can't resist my usual caveat ... what constitutes a " normal " A1C depends upon what lab one is using. Read Gretchen Becker's " Type 2 Diabetes: The First Year " , available on BookShare and from NLS. Mike > Good going . I encourage you to strive for an A1C nearer the normal > range of 4.2-5.2. > test results > > >> Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: >> >> A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) >> >> Total cholesterol 157 >> >> HDL 69 >> >> LDl70 >> >> Triglycerides 131 >> >> Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) >> >> Weight is slight down from last time >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Now let me see... Do I want to use a lab that has a " normal range of 7.0-8.0 or do I want to use one that uses a range of 6.0-7.0 or do I want to use one that uses a range nearer 5.0-6.0. My oh my what do I do? Standards are a confusing thing, and of course any lab should be allowed to choose its own standards. The problem then becomess what lab to choose? ly, I would like to pick a lab that uses a standard that every body can agree upon. Now which one is that? test results >> >> >>> Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: >>> >>> A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) >>> >>> Total cholesterol 157 >>> >>> HDL 69 >>> >>> LDl70 >>> >>> Triglycerides 131 >>> >>> Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) >>> >>> Weight is slight down from last time >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Normal is the same as average; it makes you feel good. Established medical standards are much better gauge of your over all health. Some times whistling in the dark does not drive the bugggie man away. Now, after saying all of that;if you feel good and your Doctor is happy with his findings who are we to judge you, your Doctor, or your lab. We must have faith in a higher power for only he as all the answers. Thank you and good night test results >>> >>> >>>> Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: >>>> >>>> A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) >>>> >>>> Total cholesterol 157 >>>> >>>> HDL 69 >>>> >>>> LDl70 >>>> >>>> Triglycerides 131 >>>> >>>> Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) >>>> >>>> Weight is slight down from last time >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 The problem with the labs is not that they use different standards. Each lab's " normal range " is, in fact, the normal range. The problem is that the labs use different methods of expressing this. Some have a normal range of 5.0-7.0; my lab had a range of 4.0-6.0. If I were to get an A1c of 5.0 in my lab and a friend get an A1c of 6.0 in her lab where the normal range was 5.0-7.0, both would be normal, and both would in fact be the same A1c. It's crucial that you know your own lab's scale so that you can translate your measurement if it differs from the " standard " (read: most recently referenced) 4.0-6.0 range. If you look up information on the DCCT and A1c measurement you can read up on the current problem. It's not that some labs use more lax standards than others, it's just that the units or methods they use to measure A1c differ. Kind of how mmol/L and mg/dl are expressing the same value but in different measurements. Or how a plasma versus whole blood measurement express the same value but have a difference of 10-15% (just because plasma measurement shows a higher number does not mean the blood sugar it's expressing is higher than the whole blood value, they're the same level of blood sugar, just measured and expressed differently). This expressing the same value using different scales is the problem with A1c's: each lab has their own scale for expressing the same value, which is why the normal range in one lab might differ from the normal range in another. It's not that one lab is " accepting " a higher A1c as normal. If a lab is callibrated to DCCT standards (or the scale used in the DCCT study) as mine is, then a normal A1c is 4.0-6.0. If a lab is not, then a normal range is dependent on the methods they use to measure A1c and you'll have to ask what that normal range is for your lab. I hope that wasn't too confusing. Jen test results >> >> >>> Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: >>> >>> A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) >>> >>> Total cholesterol 157 >>> >>> HDL 69 >>> >>> LDl70 >>> >>> Triglycerides 131 >>> >>> Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) >>> >>> Weight is slight down from last time >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Right. But for various reasons (some of which, I suppose, are political), it's proving somewhat of a drawn-out process to get a common expression standard accepted. My lab also takes normal as 4.0-6.0 (percent). This is the sort of thing not told a newly-diagnosed diabetic. (grin) Mike > The problem with the labs is not that they use different standards. Each lab's " normal range " is, in fact, the normal range. The problem is that the labs use different methods of expressing this. Some have a normal range of 5.0-7.0; my lab had a range of 4.0-6.0. If I were to get an A1c of 5.0 in my lab and a friend get an A1c of 6.0 in her lab where the normal range was 5.0-7.0, both would be normal, and both would in fact be the same A1c. It's crucial that you know your own lab's scale so that you can translate your measurement if it differs from the " standard " (read: most recently referenced) 4.0-6.0 range. > > If you look up information on the DCCT and A1c measurement you can read up on the current problem. It's not that some labs use more lax standards than others, it's just that the units or methods they use to measure A1c differ. Kind of how mmol/L and mg/dl are expressing the same value but in different measurements. Or how a plasma versus whole blood measurement express the same value but have a difference of 10-15% (just because plasma measurement shows a higher number does not mean the blood sugar it's expressing is higher than the whole blood value, they're the same level of blood sugar, just measured and expressed differently). This expressing the same value using different scales is the problem with A1c's: each lab has their own scale for expressing the same value, which is why the normal range in one lab might differ from the normal range in another. It's not that one lab is " accepting " a higher A1c as normal. > > If a lab is callibrated to DCCT standards (or the scale used in the DCCT study) as mine is, then a normal A1c is 4.0-6.0. If a lab is not, then a normal range is dependent on the methods they use to measure A1c and you'll have to ask what that normal range is for your lab. > > I hope that wasn't too confusing. > > Jen > test results > >> > >> > >>> Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: > >>> > >>> A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) > >>> > >>> Total cholesterol 157 > >>> > >>> HDL 69 > >>> > >>> LDl70 > >>> > >>> Triglycerides 131 > >>> > >>> Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) > >>> > >>> Weight is slight down from last time > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 , you express the point that I was trying to relay however having only a fourth grade education I should keep my mouth shut. Have a nice day and look for me to but in every now and then just to keep things interesting. test results > >> > >> > >>> Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: > >>> > >>> A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) > >>> > >>> Total cholesterol 157 > >>> > >>> HDL 69 > >>> > >>> LDl70 > >>> > >>> Triglycerides 131 > >>> > >>> Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) > >>> > >>> Weight is slight down from last time > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Amen, Jen. Re: test results The problem with the labs is not that they use different standards. Each lab's " normal range " is, in fact, the normal range. The problem is that the labs use different methods of expressing this. Some have a normal range of 5.0-7.0; my lab had a range of 4.0-6.0. If I were to get an A1c of 5.0 in my lab and a friend get an A1c of 6.0 in her lab where the normal range was 5.0-7.0, both would be normal, and both would in fact be the same A1c. It's crucial that you know your own lab's scale so that you can translate your measurement if it differs from the " standard " (read: most recently referenced) 4.0-6.0 range. If you look up information on the DCCT and A1c measurement you can read up on the current problem. It's not that some labs use more lax standards than others, it's just that the units or methods they use to measure A1c differ. Kind of how mmol/L and mg/dl are expressing the same value but in different measurements. Or how a plasma versus whole blood measurement express the same value but have a difference of 10-15% (just because plasma measurement shows a higher number does not mean the blood sugar it's expressing is higher than the whole blood value, they're the same level of blood sugar, just measured and expressed differently). This expressing the same value using different scales is the problem with A1c's: each lab has their own scale for expressing the same value, which is why the normal range in one lab might differ from the normal range in another. It's not that one lab is " accepting " a higher A1c as normal. If a lab is callibrated to DCCT standards (or the scale used in the DCCT study) as mine is, then a normal A1c is 4.0-6.0. If a lab is not, then a normal range is dependent on the methods they use to measure A1c and you'll have to ask what that normal range is for your lab. I hope that wasn't too confusing. Jen test results >> >> >>> Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: >>> >>> A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) >>> >>> Total cholesterol 157 >>> >>> HDL 69 >>> >>> LDl70 >>> >>> Triglycerides 131 >>> >>> Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) >>> >>> Weight is slight down from last time >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Thanks CY. It is definitely getter more and more difficult to keep things stable as the (as you so ungraciously put it) old body deteriorates. But, I am optimistic that things will work out as I work on them.. I figure I could be all depressed, but then I feel very fortunate that I have been as diabetic as long as I have been and am not dead or completely incapacitated. I learned yesterday (Mike you know this person) my long term diabetic friend went into atrial fibrillation and had a stroke. She doesn't recognize even her husband and I fear the end is near. She had a kidney transplant (her second) about a year and half ago and her health has deteriorated since then. They let her have the second one because all the cardiac tests she had done showed something very unusual in a long term diabetic-no vascular or heart problems! It all seemed to start after she began taking the antirejection drugs (thisis a complication of these drugs). I feel very sad for her husband. Re: test results Good going . I encourage you to strive for an A1C nearer the normal range of 4.2-5.2. test results > Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: > > A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) > > Total cholesterol 157 > > HDL 69 > > LDl70 > > Triglycerides 131 > > Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) > > Weight is slight down from last time > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Ladies and Gentlemen, Basic chemistry has its standards, and political entities like the ADA American Diabetes Association even this year finally announced on its web page that the average or normal A1C is nearer to 5.0 than it is to 6.0. Check it out and see for yourself. Now when it comes to doing the chemistry of calculating the glycation rate, I certainly hope these labs are using standards in doing their chemical processing to make the determination. Don't tell me these labs cannot distinguish between sorbitol and glucose and how much of each is present. I hope these labs at least agree upon the boiling point and freezing point of water. While the normal range can vary from one lab to another, the actual glycation rate is what is most important, and I imagine standard chemical processes are used in all labs to determine this actual rate down to the tenth of a point. When I speak of the normal range, I am talking about the average range of an A1C as determined by actual research measurement of the glycation rate for a sample of the general population. Like the average fasting blood sugar for the world population is determined to be 82-83 and the average body temperature for the world population is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. Yes, labs have their standards, and yes research taking an average measurement of the general population has its average with a range for normal. ly, I prefer my average A1C to be to a tenth of a point, and I also prefer this A1C measurement to be nearer to 5.0 than to 6.0 or higher. Any person who understands the basic principles of glycation would prefer the lower number, not the higher one. Now those of you who have had statistics probably know that whenever a 20% difference is encountered, one has probably and most likely encountered a significant difference as determined by statistical methods. There is a 20% difference between an A1C of 6.0 and an A1C of 5.0. Go figure. By the way there is a 40% difference between an A1C of 5.0 and an A1C of 7.0. Since the glycation rate determines the death rate of the red blood cells, which death rate would you prefer? Since all things in nature has a built in death rate called glycation, it is up to the individual to pick the one they would rather have. Unfortunately, the medical establishment does not tell their patients the facts and even the ADA still today puts out the normal A1C in some recent releases as being nearer 7.0. I believe this to be a travesty on the American population, since practically all diabetic complications could be eliminated if it was reported that if one's A1C was nearer 5.0, then the diabetic could strive for this goal. test results >> >> >> >> >> >>> Went to the endo today and he gave me my test results: >> >>> >> >>> A1C 6.2 (went up slightly from last time) >> >>> >> >>> Total cholesterol 157 >> >>> >> >>> HDL 69 >> >>> >> >>> LDl70 >> >>> >> >>> Triglycerides 131 >> >>> >> >>> Creatinine 2.3 (better than last week) >> >>> >> >>> Weight is slight down from last time >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Hi , That's a great A1C! I only wish. The better the control, the better it is for your kidney. As far as the shunt goes, the doctors do it before you go on dialysis. It takes time to have it mapped out - the veins that is, the operation booked to put in the fistula, and then time for it to heal and develop for use. Keep up the good work though. It helps keep the dialysis machine away. Here in Canada, the creatnin is around 800 to 900 before that happens. You must be doing a great job of reducing the salt in your diet because you are not swelling up. I know I became a balloon before it happened to me. Keep up all the good work! Ruth test results Pretty good news. I went to see my endo. A1C 5.8 Total cholesterol 162 LDL 72 HDL 62 Creatinine 2.9 (not good, but not as bad I expected) I see my kidney doc tomorrow. We'll see what he says about having a shunt done. But although the creatinine is up, I am not having any swelling or shortness of breath, so it looks like the kidneys are still working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Hi Harry, Cutting out any major group of your diet is not a good idea. Breads have certain benefits that are good for the heart and what it needs. Fruits need to be eaten for the same reasons. The idea is to eat the right kind of breads and fruit. Not to eliminate them! I would suggest that you look up information about the glycemic index to help you dicern what to eat. Ruth Re: test results Good going Pat! I read on line an excerpt by Dr. Bernstein, that he has seen kidney damage stopped and reversed when running a " normalized bs " level. I am trying his new diet recommendations, even though I am a type2 insulin dependent. I, too, am trying to run normalized bs levels, and so far for the past three days, it is working just fine. The main things I eliminated from my diet are all refined carbohydrates, which means any thing made with flour or corn meal. I have also eliminated all fruits. I figured this has eliminated around 75% or more of all the carbs I consume on a daily basis. I no longer eat bread of any kind. Congratulations on getting your A1C down. My goal is no longer an A1C of 5.5 or lower, but an A1C of 5.0 or lower. test results > > >> Pretty good news. I went to see my endo. >> >> A1C 5.8 >> >> Total cholesterol 162 >> >> LDL 72 >> >> HDL 62 >> >> Creatinine 2.9 (not good, but not as bad I expected) >> >> I see my kidney doc tomorrow. We'll see what he says about having a >> shunt done. But although the creatinine is up, I am not having any >> swelling or shortness of breath, so it looks like the kidneys are >> still working. >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Research shows that a person can survive quite well without consuming any, and I do mean any, carbohydrates at all. As long as the person consumes protein and fat, usually in combination, they can survive and grow normally. Of course I always recommend taking a multi-vitamin and a multi-mineral capsule or pill two or three times each week. The main ingredient in bread and fruit is carbohydrates. Dr. K. Bernstein, a type1 diabetic is 72 or 73 years of age and he has not eaten any fruit in over 25 years. He is a pioneer in diabetes, having been the very first diabetic to use blood glucose monitoring in order to master blood glucose control. He routinely runs " normal " A1C levels of 4.5. I would say that is not bad for an old geezer! test results >> >> >>> Pretty good news. I went to see my endo. >>> >>> A1C 5.8 >>> >>> Total cholesterol 162 >>> >>> LDL 72 >>> >>> HDL 62 >>> >>> Creatinine 2.9 (not good, but not as bad I expected) >>> >>> I see my kidney doc tomorrow. We'll see what he says about having a >>> shunt done. But although the creatinine is up, I am not having any >>> swelling or shortness of breath, so it looks like the kidneys are >>> still working. >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 , once your kidney function hits 7 your kidneys will shut down. Russ test results > Pretty good news. I went to see my endo. > > A1C 5.8 > > Total cholesterol 162 > > LDL 72 > > HDL 62 > > Creatinine 2.9 (not good, but not as bad I expected) > > I see my kidney doc tomorrow. We'll see what he says about having a shunt > done. But although the creatinine is up, I am not having any swelling or > shortness of breath, so it looks like the kidneys are still working. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Thanks Ruth. I am still keeping the dialysis machine away-my creatinine level was 2.6 and no other symptoms like elevated potassium etc., I don't have to see him for another 2 & 1/2 months. I am amazed on how wll he did getting my kidneys to work again after going into kidney failure in July. Very happy campe , I am!r test results Pretty good news. I went to see my endo. A1C 5.8 Total cholesterol 162 LDL 72 HDL 62 Creatinine 2.9 (not good, but not as bad I expected) I see my kidney doc tomorrow. We'll see what he says about having a shunt done. But although the creatinine is up, I am not having any swelling or shortness of breath, so it looks like the kidneys are still working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 This is good news. Whatever you do, do not let another doctor fill your blood stream with dye and especially radioactive dye. test results > > Pretty good news. I went to see my endo. > > A1C 5.8 > > Total cholesterol 162 > > LDL 72 > > HDL 62 > > Creatinine 2.9 (not good, but not as bad I expected) > > I see my kidney doc tomorrow. We'll see what he says about having a shunt > done. But although the creatinine is up, I am not having any swelling or > shortness of breath, so it looks like the kidneys are still working. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 you mention wayne and that is a blow i will never forget. we seem to see him die before our eyes, it was so sad. test results >>> >>> >>>> Pretty good news. I went to see my endo. >>>> >>>> A1C 5.8 >>>> >>>> Total cholesterol 162 >>>> >>>> LDL 72 >>>> >>>> HDL 62 >>>> >>>> Creatinine 2.9 (not good, but not as bad I expected) >>>> >>>> I see my kidney doc tomorrow. We'll see what he says about having a >>>> shunt >>>> done. But although the creatinine is up, I am not having any swelling >>>> or >>>> shortness of breath, so it looks like the kidneys are still working. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 You are absolutely right, Harry and my nephro told me that while I as in the hospital. In fact, he reamed out the surgeon for keeping me in surgery so long (2 & 1/2 hours) with the dye in me that long. Re: test results This is good news. Whatever you do, do not let another doctor fill your blood stream with dye and especially radioactive dye. test results > > Pretty good news. I went to see my endo. > > A1C 5.8 > > Total cholesterol 162 > > LDL 72 > > HDL 62 > > Creatinine 2.9 (not good, but not as bad I expected) > > I see my kidney doc tomorrow. We'll see what he says about having a shunt > done. But although the creatinine is up, I am not having any swelling or > shortness of breath, so it looks like the kidneys are still working. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 I know it was a sad event. He would not listen to any of us here. He would only listen to his practicing doctor. Even with emails, personal calls from me and several others, he would not listen to what we had to say. His doctor did not have a clue. So we watched him get chopped to bits before he died. There goes a foot here and then a foot there, then a leg here and a leg there and on and on until he finally died. One thing you can say about Wayne for sure is: " He believed in his doctor. " Re: test results > you mention wayne and that is a blow i will never forget. we seem to see > him > die before our eyes, it was so sad. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 You should run the ASO and Anti DNase B tests together. Antibodies can take 4-6 weeks to show Kerrie My son had ASO test done for strep and Lyme Titer and Western Blot. All came back negative. ( I do know Lyme can have false negatives)He had been on OLE for a week and responding amazingly well when he had this done. What I'm wondering is could OLE have wiped out the strep in a week? Or would antibodies be present even if things had been present that are not present.I was hoping someone could give me the background of how the ASO works.Nanci Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 My son had ASO test done for strep and Lyme Titer and Western Blot. All came back negative. ( I do know Lyme can have false negatives) He had been on OLE for a week and responding amazingly well when he had this done. What I'm wondering is could OLE have wiped out the strep in a week? Or would antibodies be present even if things had been present that are not present. I was hoping someone could give me the background of how the ASO works. Nanci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 My son is hyperimmune and rarely gets sick, so it would have been years ago if he had the strep. Would the ASO (that was all the dr ordered so it's too late now) pick up on infections from years ago? Nanci > > > You should run the ASO and Anti DNase B tests together. Antibodies can > take 4-6 weeks to show > > > > Kerrie > > In a message dated 7/23/2009 5:11:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > smiths4him@... writes: > > My son had ASO test done for strep and Lyme Titer and Western Blot. All > came back negative. ( I do know Lyme can have false negatives) > He had been on OLE for a week and responding amazingly well when he had > this done. > > What I'm wondering is could OLE have wiped out the strep in a week? Or > would antibodies be present even if things had been present that are not > present. > > I was hoping someone could give me the background of how the ASO works. > > Nanci > > > > > **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular > laptops! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=http:%2\ F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D7) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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