Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Hi Harry, I do not understand your reaction to Bill's message. Nothing he said is controversial. Bill is just suggesting that be proactive and to use this opportunity to help himself before it is too late. Please clarify. Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Some times I say and do things just to get some people to wake up. I know how delusional minds work, and pointing it out gets the attention of such individuals. Bill's message was excellent, and right on in his advice. This had nothing to do with Bill, but it did get the attention of some on this message thread. Just because you paid attention to it does not means you are delusional, but others may still be. They forget we are the experts. They think their medical doctor is the only one who really knows. Of course you probably don't know any body like this? See what I mean. why not testing for Harry > Hi Harry, > > I do not understand your reaction to Bill's message. Nothing he said is > controversial. Bill is just suggesting that be proactive and to use > this opportunity to help himself before it is too late. Please clarify. > > Ruth > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Hi Harry, I understand what you're getting at now. It just didn't come across that way. Your point is well put about delusional people. Ruth Re: why not testing for Harry Some times I say and do things just to get some people to wake up. I know how delusional minds work, and pointing it out gets the attention of such individuals. Bill's message was excellent, and right on in his advice. This had nothing to do with Bill, but it did get the attention of some on this message thread. Just because you paid attention to it does not means you are delusional, but others may still be. They forget we are the experts. They think their medical doctor is the only one who really knows. Of course you probably don't know any body like this? See what I mean. why not testing for Harry > Hi Harry, > > I do not understand your reaction to Bill's message. Nothing he said > is controversial. Bill is just suggesting that be proactive and > to use this opportunity to help himself before it is too late. Please clarify. > > Ruth > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Harry, I'll tell you what's so sad is how many people I run into who are afraid to be assertive to their doc and how many will just take a doc at his word without question, figuring he should know what he's talking about. The reality check is that most docs only know what they learned in school years ago and it's augmented by what little they piece together over the years through pharmaceutical reps. They mean well but they get caught up in this " I'm the doctor, I know what's best " syndrome and forget we're not a bunch of text book problems that can be written off with a pat answer. My mom is like that, expecting a doc to fix her up with a prescription for a pill and send her on her way, so that she never has to actually do anything herself to get better, and she never will be. I tell her over and over that you are the boss not the doctor, you are the only one who really knows your body and what you need the doc for is to help you better understand what your body is saying to you and how to treat it, not how the problem should be handled in some textbook environment. I have often felt the best doctor to treat someone's problem is the one who's had that diagnosis himself or herself. Believe me, if a doc became diabetic the whole definition and treatment of it would take on a great new meaning to him, just as it would if he were blinded and having to actually grasp with blindness. The best thing any of us can do is take charge of our own care, and while we can't expect a magic salvo, we want and demand the best treatment we can find, if not from one doctor then from another who " gets it. " When we as a whole wake up and leave the deadwood doctors behind, we shall have a healthier society as a whole. It's just unfortunate too many of them are no better than snake oil salesmen, peddling only what they're familiar with to try and treat the problem, soft of. Oh I could go on and on but I think you get what I'm saying. Simply, we're our own body's boss, and it IS up to us to listen to our bodies, up to us to find the right doctor who'll work with us as a team, and follow through until we see that we're getting better, then do something about it so we stay that way. I can tell you this: In the last 4-5 years since my diagnosis of diabetes, finding out about this board has been the single best thing I did, and I am a lot healthier now than I was at the " onset " because of it. I took a proactive stand as did my doctor, and together we've been winning the battle, so far. I can also say that looking at my readings every day is kind of a reward for me. I can see when I've done well and when I've blown it, and when I do good I'm really happy about it, when I've blown it I have only me to blame and forge on to do better next time. I continue to learn more and more each day, because believe me, I will do what I can to stay healthy and beat the odds. Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Ruthm I think I got his point, too. Although, I do think it was a bit misplaced. I am not a passive participant in my medical care. Have never been. In this case, however, granted the biggest case of my life so far, I am starting at nowhere as far as information goes. She said do this for a month and let's talk. I think I can give her 30 days and assume she knows enough that I won't die in that time. In that time, though, I am learning all I can so that I can be an active member of my care team. I certainly consider lists like this a part of that team, too, and am darned grateful for it for the information, experiences, and support. Now it becomes a struggle of separating the glitter from the gold. I find that in nearly everything I use. Expert articles are only as useful as they apply to your circumstance; mailing lists are only as useful as the information you get from them any one person can use. I am a little anxious to get back to my next appointment to use what I know so far to find out our treatment options and goals. If they are not in line with where I want to be, then a change will be in order, and I know she would be the first to agree with me on that. As I said, her willingness to involve the patient in his own care is one of the reasons I have confidence in her. This month is meant as a time to allow my body to settle down and the diagnosis to settle in, I suppose you could consider it. I have started my part of the care team by changing eating and exercise habbits and reaching out to educate myself. As Becker says, we have to become the chairman of our own health team. SS why not testing for Harry Hi Harry, I do not understand your reaction to Bill's message. Nothing he said is controversial. Bill is just suggesting that be proactive and to use this opportunity to help himself before it is too late. Please clarify. Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Hi , Whether my point is misplaced or notthe the important thing is you seem to have gotten it. Congratulations! Now keep us posted on your progress or lack of it. With that sugar meter and your ability to count carbs, I think you now have even a better chance of reaching your goal within the next year or two. Here is a thumbs up to you and wishing you well. In my opinion the greatest good is knowledge, and the greatest evil is ignorance By the way this is not an original quote. I believe some Greek philosopher like Socrates or Aristotle said it a couple thousands or so of years ago. why not testing for Harry > > Hi Harry, > > I do not understand your reaction to Bill's message. > Nothing he said is > controversial. Bill is just suggesting that be > proactive and to use > this opportunity to help himself before it is too late. > Please clarify. > > Ruth > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Absolutely, Bill! The doc I co-teach the diabetic education class with was having problems with his BGS because his endo did not have him on the right medications. I finally persuaded him to see someone else; he did and is now under good control. So even some endos don't know what they are doing. Re: why not testing for Harry Harry, I'll tell you what's so sad is how many people I run into who are afraid to be assertive to their doc and how many will just take a doc at his word without question, figuring he should know what he's talking about. The reality check is that most docs only know what they learned in school years ago and it's augmented by what little they piece together over the years through pharmaceutical reps. They mean well but they get caught up in this " I'm the doctor, I know what's best " syndrome and forget we're not a bunch of text book problems that can be written off with a pat answer. My mom is like that, expecting a doc to fix her up with a prescription for a pill and send her on her way, so that she never has to actually do anything herself to get better, and she never will be. I tell her over and over that you are the boss not the doctor, you are the only one who really knows your body and what you need the doc for is to help you better understand what your body is saying to you and how to treat it, not how the problem should be handled in some textbook environment. I have often felt the best doctor to treat someone's problem is the one who's had that diagnosis himself or herself. Believe me, if a doc became diabetic the whole definition and treatment of it would take on a great new meaning to him, just as it would if he were blinded and having to actually grasp with blindness. The best thing any of us can do is take charge of our own care, and while we can't expect a magic salvo, we want and demand the best treatment we can find, if not from one doctor then from another who " gets it. " When we as a whole wake up and leave the deadwood doctors behind, we shall have a healthier society as a whole. It's just unfortunate too many of them are no better than snake oil salesmen, peddling only what they're familiar with to try and treat the problem, soft of. Oh I could go on and on but I think you get what I'm saying. Simply, we're our own body's boss, and it IS up to us to listen to our bodies, up to us to find the right doctor who'll work with us as a team, and follow through until we see that we're getting better, then do something about it so we stay that way. I can tell you this: In the last 4-5 years since my diagnosis of diabetes, finding out about this board has been the single best thing I did, and I am a lot healthier now than I was at the " onset " because of it. I took a proactive stand as did my doctor, and together we've been winning the battle, so far. I can also say that looking at my readings every day is kind of a reward for me. I can see when I've done well and when I've blown it, and when I do good I'm really happy about it, when I've blown it I have only me to blame and forge on to do better next time. I continue to learn more and more each day, because believe me, I will do what I can to stay healthy and beat the odds. Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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