Re: Blood Levels in relation with keto diet

[Guest guest]

Hi

's results were at the high end of the normal range.

Jill

.. His hemoglobin, hematocrit, MCV and MCH are all high.

>There are some different types of anemia that have this symptom.

[Guest guest]

Hannah had low RBC count at one point last year, but when the next blood was drawn a few months later they were back up in the normal range. Doctors gave no reasons (ie- didnt know) why this might have happened, so we are still none the wiser.

(Hannah's mum, Australia)

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From: Terry Krumrei The neurologist initially told me our wacky blood work was a result ofthe medication that we were on. We have now been off the medication fora month. Our blood is still messed up. When I asked about it he nowresponds that it is from the diet. If you all could verify this I canrelax a little. Nick's Red blood cell count is low and has been for afew of months. His hemoglobin, hematocrit, MCV and MCH are all high.

[Guest guest]

" Nick's Red blood cell count is low and has been for a few of

months. His hemoglobin, hematocrit, MCV and MCH are all high. "

Are they within the range??.

My daughter's are within the range but are close to the high...RBC is

closer to the low.

[Guest guest]

,

No they are out of range. His RBC is 4.24 and normal is 4.4-5.7

(males),

hemoglobin is in range high, hemaocrit is in range high, MCV is 104

, 61-99 is normal

MCH is 36.2, normal is 28-32.

They have raised continually since our dietitian took us off our normal

supplements in August for 6 weeks(during my vow of compliance or get booted

out) and put us on Bugs Bunny with iron. I have him back on his supplements

but he has not returned to normal. I know that alot of these problems

can stem from deficiency of B 12, folic acid, selenium and potassium.

I assumed vthe labs would improve since we have added back in his

supplements, but it doesn't seem to be working. 's extra

chromosome causes his body to be flooded with extra SOD, which creates

hydrogen peroxide in his body. He needs twice as many anti oxidants

as a normal child. Unfortunately I let my Dr., dietitian and husband

pressure me into doing something I was totally against. Hopefully

we can get it straightened out soon.

Sorry, I got a little carried away.

Thanks

Dianna

kuekids wrote:

"Nick's Red blood cell count is low and

has been for a few of

months. His hemoglobin, hematocrit, MCV and MCH are all high."

Are they within the range??.

My daughter's are within the range but are close to the high...RBC

is

closer to the low.

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I was told that Bugs Bunny vitamins are not good with this diet.

Can someone explain? We are not using them but I have noticed that many

are. What is a good vitamin for children on the KGD?

Jenn

Terry Krumrei wrote:

,

No they are out of range. His RBC is 4.24 and normal is 4.4-5.7

(males),

hemoglobin is in range high, hemaocrit is in range high, MCV is 104

, 61-99 is normal

MCH is 36.2, normal is 28-32.

They have raised continually since our dietitian took us off our normal

supplements in August for 6 weeks(during my vow of compliance or get booted

out) and put us on Bugs Bunny with iron. I have him back on his supplements

but he has not returned to normal. I know that alot of these problems

can stem from deficiency of B 12, folic acid, selenium and potassium.

I assumed vthe labs would improve since we have added back in his

supplements, but it doesn't seem to be working. 's extra

chromosome causes his body to be flooded with extra SOD, which creates

hydrogen peroxide in his body. He needs twice as many anti oxidants

as a normal child. Unfortunately I let my Dr., dietitian and husband

pressure me into doing something I was totally against. Hopefully

we can get it straightened out soon.

Sorry, I got a little carried away.

Thanks

Dianna

kuekids wrote:

"Nick's Red blood cell count is low and

has been for a few of

months. His hemoglobin, hematocrit, MCV and MCH are all high."

Are they within the range??.

My daughter's are within the range but are close to the high...RBC

is

closer to the low.

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just a last resort!"

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Jenn,

Here is a link of the vitamins Nick is on. He takes over 40 vitamins

minerals and enzymes compared to the 19 in Bugs Bunny. We started

him on this nutrient when he was 4 weeks old because of his Down Syndrome.

It has rice flour in it so we had to figure it into the diet. It

only has 2.5 carb cals a day in the daily supplement.

Dianna

References:

heppner1@... wrote:

I was told that Bugs Bunny vitamins are not good

with this diet. Can someone explain? We are not using them but I

have noticed that many are. What is a good vitamin for children on the

KGD?

Jenn

Terry Krumrei wrote:

,

No they are out of range. His RBC is 4.24 and normal is 4.4-5.7

(males),

hemoglobin is in range high, hemaocrit is in range high, MCV is 104

, 61-99 is normal

MCH is 36.2, normal is 28-32.

They have raised continually since our dietitian took us off our normal

supplements in August for 6 weeks(during my vow of compliance or get booted

out) and put us on Bugs Bunny with iron. I have him back on his supplements

but he has not returned to normal. I know that alot of these problems

can stem from deficiency of B 12, folic acid, selenium and potassium.

I assumed vthe labs would improve since we have added back in his

supplements, but it doesn't seem to be working. 's extra

chromosome causes his body to be flooded with extra SOD, which creates

hydrogen peroxide in his body. He needs twice as many anti oxidants

as a normal child. Unfortunately I let my Dr., dietitian and husband

pressure me into doing something I was totally against. Hopefully

we can get it straightened out soon.

Sorry, I got a little carried away.

Thanks

Dianna

kuekids wrote:

"Nick's Red blood cell count is low and

has been for a few of

months. His hemoglobin, hematocrit, MCV and MCH are all high."

Are they within the range??.

My daughter's are within the range but are close to the high...RBC

is

closer to the low.

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just a last resort!"

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whoops,

http://www.altonweb.com/cs/downsyndrome/index.htm

Terry Krumrei wrote:

Jenn,

Here is a link of the vitamins Nick is on. He takes over 40 vitamins

minerals and enzymes compared to the 19 in Bugs Bunny. We started

him on this nutrient when he was 4 weeks old because of his Down Syndrome.

It has rice flour in it so we had to figure it into the diet. It

only has 2.5 carb cals a day in the daily supplement.

Dianna

References:

heppner1@... wrote:

I was told that Bugs Bunny vitamins are not good

with this diet. Can someone explain? We are not using them but I

have noticed that many are. What is a good vitamin for children on the

KGD?

Jenn

Terry Krumrei wrote:

,

No they are out of range. His RBC is 4.24 and normal is 4.4-5.7

(males),

hemoglobin is in range high, hemaocrit is in range high, MCV is 104

, 61-99 is normal

MCH is 36.2, normal is 28-32.

They have raised continually since our dietitian took us off our normal

supplements in August for 6 weeks(during my vow of compliance or get booted

out) and put us on Bugs Bunny with iron. I have him back on his supplements

but he has not returned to normal. I know that alot of these problems

can stem from deficiency of B 12, folic acid, selenium and potassium.

I assumed vthe labs would improve since we have added back in his

supplements, but it doesn't seem to be working. 's extra

chromosome causes his body to be flooded with extra SOD, which creates

hydrogen peroxide in his body. He needs twice as many anti oxidants

as a normal child. Unfortunately I let my Dr., dietitian and husband

pressure me into doing something I was totally against. Hopefully

we can get it straightened out soon.

Sorry, I got a little carried away.

Thanks

Dianna

kuekids wrote:

"Nick's Red blood cell count is low and

has been for a few of

months. His hemoglobin, hematocrit, MCV and MCH are all high."

Are they within the range??.

My daughter's are within the range but are close to the high...RBC

is

closer to the low.

"The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT

just a last resort!"

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It is important to get medical advice from a professional keto team!

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[Guest guest]

Terry -- We're having labs done next week and have

requested that they be forwarded to us immediately. I

will check these when we get them. I don't believe

any of these things have come back elevated before. I

think a month off the meds is probably not enough time

to notice a big difference.--D

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[Guest guest]

DeEtte,

Thanks.

Dianna

DeEtte Person wrote:

Terry -- We're having labs done next week

and have

requested that they be forwarded to us immediately. I

will check these when we get them. I don't believe

any of these things have come back elevated before. I

think a month off the meds is probably not enough time

to notice a big difference.--D

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[Guest guest]

Terry -- Just got a copy of 's latest blood work,

regarinding the things you mentioned:

Red Blood Cells are normal

Hemoglobin is high (14.9, 14.5 is top of the range)

Hematocrit is normal

MCV is high (92, 90 is top of the range)

MCH is high (31.7, 31 is top of the range)

They must not be too far out of whack, because the doc

never mentioned this -- but that's why I always

request the results for myself!

As I posted earlier, cholesterol came back high, as

did triclycerides (although she was not fasting).

Glucose was a little low (64, with 65 the low end of

the range).

Creatinine was low. Bun/Creatine Ratio was high.

Carbon dioxide was low, anion gap was high.

Liver enzumes were elevated.

Hope this helps.--D

--- Terry Krumrei wrote:

> Hi Everyone,.

> This is pretty important to me if you all could look

> back at your labs.

> The neurologist initially told me our wacky blood

> work was a result of

> the medication that we were on. We have now been

> off the medication for

> a month. Our blood is still messed up. When I

> asked about it he now

> responds that it is from the diet. If you all could

> verify this I can

> relax a little. Nick's Red blood cell count is low

> and has been for a

> few of months. His hemoglobin, hematocrit, MCV and

> MCH are all high.

> There are some different types of anemia that have

> this symptom. But,

> as long as my neuro reassures my Dr. that it is

> normal we will not be

> tested for anything. I would hate to think that he

> has a bone marrow

> problem and I am patiently(never) believing the

> neuros every word. The

> same neuro that told me not to wean the meds, and

> not to look for

> seizure causes since my son has Downs. Anyway, I

> really hope he is

> right and all is fine. If he were healthy right now

> I wouldn't question

> my neuro.(maybe)

> Thanks

> Dianna mom to almost 2,seizure free, med

> free. ketofed

> 18, 15, 11, Mikaela 8

>

>

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