Re: 911:: Sex on the air waves

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Jeff Bartlett writes:

> Now that I have your attention,

>

> I am concerned about an apparent trend of contributors to 911discussion

> forums. And the concern relates to the apparent lack of professionalism of

> certain people who are obviously at work and supposedly giving 100% of their

> concentration

and blah, blah, blah.

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--- Jeff Bartlett wrote:

> Now that I have your attention,

>

> I am concerned about an apparent trend of

> contributors to 911discussion

> forums. And the concern relates to the apparent

> lack of professionalism of

> certain people who are obviously at work and

> supposedly giving 100% of their

> concentration to the job that they are getting paid,

> that is, providing some

> sort of emergency coverage for the citizens of their

> respective areas.

I do not post or read at work (even when I am really

at dispatch and not activated) but would if I could.

We are allowed to read books and watch TV when it is

not busy, so why not this, too. Assumming the work is

not be neglected (and, considering the caliber of

people on this list, I think that is a good

assumption) I think it is perfectly OK. Besides, who

died and made you supervisor supreme over every

dispatcher in the world? And, what makes you think

you know the situations? How do you know they aren't

doing this on breaks, or during slack times, etc? Get

a life and leave people alone.

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Kim

I make a difference

Tulsa, OK

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If I get a chance I will read through my e-mails from THE LIST at work, if

not then I do it when I get home, like tonight, after working 12 1/2 hours.

I found 103 e-mails waiting for me!

It is because of THIS LIST that I was able to participate in the Winter

Olympic Games as a Volunteeer Dispatcher along with 36 others. It is because

of requests made on THIS LIST for training materials, that I have put

together a packet that is ready for mailing whenever there is a request made

on THIS LIST!!!!!

THIS LIST allows me to vent to my peers, who have had similiar experiences,

who can offer suggestions to current problems other dispatchers are having in

their centers, and believe it or not, THIS LIST causes friendships to happen.

That is a wonderful thing here in America. We believe in making friends,

even if we never meet in person.

Toni knows we are all with her in spirit as she works through her flood. We

were with when she was out a few months ago getting some much needed

rest. has our love and support with what she has been going through.

Our friends in NYC knew last September that our prayers were with them as

they worked through their own departmental and personal tragedies. That is

what THIS LIST does.

It is for professional communications personnel, whether we be police, fire

or medical. We are a family and I do not know of any family where everything

is strictly business. There is always love and happines and the occassional

sad moment too.

So, Mr. Bartlett, if you are not happy with our family, you always have the

option of clicking " unsubscribe " ...................

Dora Stremble

Emgergency Communications Specialist III

Orlando Police Department

Orlando, Florida USA

21 1/2 years service

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Alrighty then........

Now that you have everyone's attention (which I assume was the idea), I

hope you'll indulge us just a bit for a quick lesson in how things work on

THIS side of the pond. A wise lady on the left coast is 'prolly better

suited to 'splain this to ya'll, but since she's in travel-mode tonight,

you'll just have to make do with the rest of us for now.

Since you didn't sign your posting, we don't know where live or where you

work. Perhaps that is best. Based on your email domain (and your accent),

I assume you're in/from Australia. I've never been there yet, but have

always wanted to visit. I've heard-tell it's a beautiful place and that the

people are really nice. I'll do my best to keep an open mind about the

latter.

I'm sorry, but it's a major stretch to not " get you wrong " , 'specially when

you ARE wrong.

I have no idea if you have ever traveled to the United States and/or visited

any of our Public Safety Communications Centers.

I have. I've been a citizen of this country for all of my 46+ years and am

quite proud of it. I've spent the most recent 25+ of those years doing what

can at times be described as a difficult job in a difficult profession, and

I'm proud of that too. With a little luck, I plan to continue doing both

for a few more years yet.

I have to be honest and tell you that I wasn't the least bit impressed to

come home and find your pitiful little rant of a posting (yes, on my

PERSONAL email). But don't worry, we have this thing here that's really

cool... way more so than email. We call it Freedom. Freedom is what got

your email from there to here.

And yes, I also get these postings (and others) on my WORK email account.

And yes, every one of our employees has access to Internet email and the

World Wide Web at their workstations. We consider it a valuable tool. Deal

with it.

Oh... and no, I'm not " supposedly working " now, sorry. It's well past

midnight up here in the Midwest and I'm going to bed shortly. But guess

what? There are a LOT of Professionals all across this Country doing their

jobs even as I type. And there will be more Professionals doing their jobs

when I wake up in the morning.

As for " 100% concentration " .... sorry, but your math is a bit off. I'm

afraid that most all of us are running in more like 110% mode these days.

We're nice folks here and we're very tolerant of other people's " ways " and

ideas, even when we don't really like either. Ya see, 11 months ago this

Sunday morning some really evil people did some really bad things to us.

Sunday I'm gonna hop on a plane for a short flight over to Nashville, where

I plan to spend a week with my Professional friends from all over.

Ya'll oughta come up here and visit us sometime. We're nice, even to mean

people. Better yet, go visit Mr. Raffa at the FDNY. I'll bet he'd be

honored and proud to show and tell you about some Professionals that are as

Professional as they come. Please be nice though, as I'm afraid we're a bit

short on patience with mean people these days.

G'day!

Steve son

Manager - Communications & Technical Services

Lenexa Ks Police Department (a Kansas City suburb)

........one other thing: If what you read here and/or the volume of

postings bother ya'll as much as it appears they do, our nice friends at

Yahoo have spelled out some simple instructions for UNsubscribing from this

list at the bottom of your screen.

911:: Sex on the air waves

> Now that I have your attention,

>

<major snipping>

>

> I am concerned about an apparent trend of contributors to 911discussion

> forums. And the concern relates to the apparent lack of professionalism

of

> certain people who are obviously at work and supposedly giving 100% of

their

> concentration to the job that they are getting paid, that is, providing

some

> sort of emergency coverage for the citizens of their respective areas.

> Don't get me wrong,

>

> insignificant non professional related subject can be raised.

> Now for the ones who are going to radically oppose my comments and put

> the fingers to the key board, please have the guts to back your work

> practices and include an e-mail address of you manager or boss.

>

> To those who can generate a number of posts, whilst at work and not

carrying

> out the duties you are being paid for

>

> To those who agree with my point of view, don't sit back, you know when

your

> read the post's you say to yourself...... " isn't this person supposedly

> working now.......how can they have the time to e-mail all this...... "

[Guest guest]

This sounds more like someone who likes to throw a firecracker in the middle of

a crowd and watch the commotion!! What a shame.

Loree Camden

Sebastopol PD/FD

Sebastopol, CA

[Guest guest]

I personally never check my email at work (simply because the only

internet-connected computers are not all that easily accessible). However,

if I had an internet connection at my console, I absolutely would check it.

We are an agency where we have seperate calltakers and dispatchers, have a

minimum of 12 people working on midnight shifts. We do not have busy-work.

Our ONLY job is to either answer emergency and non-emergency phone calls OR

to dispatch officers and handle their requests. We don't do paperwork, don't

do anything with warrants or hit confirmation requests. We dispatch OR we

answer phone calls. During our down-time we read books, do puzzles, talk,

play games, watch DVDs on laptops (on the phone side only), play video

games, etc. We ALWAYS treat the phones or the radio as the priority. Just

because someone answers email from this list from work doesn't mean they are

slacking and not doing their job. And don't assume that every agency is the

same and that every agency has " busywork " to do between calls.

Amy G, Montgomery County Police Department, MD

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I am currently on vacation, checking this list from home, as always.

However, my supervisors are aware of my list participation (out of 7

supervisors, at least 3 are list-members!) and encourage it! It has been a

valuable resource as well as a way of networking. I will occasionally

forward something from the list to my work email, to share with coworkers or

use for my trainees. As an employee group rep, I also find it a valuable

resource for standards--sometimes, what is common practice can be used as a

defense in disciplinary hearings. As a member of a law enforcement family

support group, I learn from others things that I can take back to my group.

I have been helped through critical incidents by people on this list. In

many ways, I have gotten more from this list than from the (mandatory)

Critical Incident Stress Debriefings, simply because of the large number of

people in one place (sort of!) who have sat in my chair. When I heard about

the World Trade Center, the first person I thought of was Raffa. When

I heard about the recent CHP LODD, the first person I thought of was

Olmstead. And the list goes on, and on, and on.

I have taken trips and along the way, met up with list-members, to put a

face with the name. I have stayed as a guest in 2 list-members homes, and

met others for dinner, drinks, or a quick comm center tour.

While I respect your right to your opinion, I am offended by it nonetheless.

So I'm sure you will respect my right to have the opinion that you are way

off-base, and you owe the members of this list a huge apology. I won't be

holding my breath, though.

Kim Kinsey

Chattanooga, TN PD/FD dispatcher/trainer

serving proudly since 6/97

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[Guest guest]

> I rather have people surfing the internet, reading magazines,

playing cards

> or watching TV to keep themselves busy than sleeping.

Exactly! My superiors have always said the same thing. So long as

you're keeping your attention on the radio and phone, you can do

other things. We have people who read, watch TV/movies, do

needlework, do puzzles, etc etc etc. I'm currently using the laptop

from my console at work on a quiet Saturday afternoon. The city

allows us to use the Internet for city business, or for personal

activities on non-business hours, with the usual restrictions on a

corporate access account. We can use the laptop at any time, although

preference is given to people who are doing business related work

first (i.e. if I just want to check my email and someone else wants

to work on the Dispatch Manual, their work takes precedence).

In any case, people are permitted to do non-business-related

activities provided they are still in the room and able to answer 911

or the radios.

--j.

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--- Rick Shauer wrote:

> Notice Mr. Bartlett didn't have the guts to say what

> organization he is from??

Rick,

You must first understand that Mr. Bartlett is in

Australia. Now, this being the case you must

understand that Australia is located in the opposite

hemisphere. You know, when you flush the toilet there

the water turns in an opposite direction then it does

here. That being said, it stands to reason that rather

than wait for 9-1-1 calls to come in as we do, they

probably call citizens asking if they have an

emergency. Therefore, there is no time for leisure

activities.

Ok, so it's a theory.

Bill

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This has to be the most flagrant violation of the ethics of a research

project I have ever seen. Not only was it non-consensual, it collected

identifying information about the participants. There is no way this could

be a " controlled " study. There is not one valid element in the

experimental design. If this is really for a thesis, the candidate should

be severely reprimanded, the study invalidated, and a review by the

research ethics committee of their institution initiated. In the US this

type of behavior would be a significant embarrassment. Aside from the

enormous waste of time to the unwitting participants, it manipulated human

subjects with unknown effects to their well-being. Yes, even a moment of

annoyance, aggravation, etc. is ethically unacceptable when you shanghai

subjects. Am I to believe Australia does not have informed consent laws,

or was that the point, to circumvent them by the method?

I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the explanation. Any Masters

degree based upon this incredible sham would be worth nothing. How about

providing us with the candidates name and institution. All of those who

were violated have a right to know by whom. After all, legitimate academics

does not hide behind cowardly anonymity, nor engage is such reprehensible

practices. But I suppose the " candidate " would not welcome complaints made

to their school and regulating agencies (e.g. the funding authority of the

mentor).