Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 This is interesting. I have tried to give her b/fast as soon as she gets up because of the time lapse between dinner and b/fast. I thought the distance between meals should be reduced as much as possible. The theory being that whilst there is no food going in, there is no fuel from which the body can make ketones. We've only been on the diet 3 weeks though, so I could have this wrong. Jill At 08:32 AM 10/21/01, you wrote: >Hi All. Jack's ketones have been 4 or less in the morning, 8 by >lunchtime, and 16 by late afternoon for the whole 5 weeks that he has been >on the diet and some mornings he is brilliant, active and talking lots, >but others he is lethargic and just wants to lie around. He hasn't had >seizures for over 2 years so we only have behaviour to go by. As it is >coming up to Summer, the days are getting longer so Jack is waking earlier >and as he is only having 3 meals a day, we have decided that we won't give >him his breakfast until 7.15am at the earliest. Some mornings he wakes at >7.00 and is having breakfast straight away and other days he is up at >6.00am and having to wait (this morning being one of them). Anyway, a >pattern seems to be emerging, he is 10 times better on the mornings that >he has to wait for breakfast. Does this make sense to anyone or is it >pure coincidence? His ketones were about 1 this morning after breakfast >but they will be 8 by lunchtime I'm sure. > >Sue in NZ - Mum to Jack 3 1/2 (ketokid since 09/01) and Molly 19 months > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 I just had another thought. Could it be low blood sugar causing the behaviour issues in the morning? Jill At 08:32 AM 10/21/01, you wrote: >Hi All. Jack's ketones have been 4 or less in the morning, 8 by >lunchtime, and 16 by late afternoon for the whole 5 weeks that he has been >on the diet and some mornings he is brilliant, active and talking lots, >but others he is lethargic and just wants to lie around. He hasn't had >seizures for over 2 years so we only have behaviour to go by. As it is >coming up to Summer, the days are getting longer so Jack is waking earlier >and as he is only having 3 meals a day, we have decided that we won't give >him his breakfast until 7.15am at the earliest. Some mornings he wakes at >7.00 and is having breakfast straight away and other days he is up at >6.00am and having to wait (this morning being one of them). Anyway, a >pattern seems to be emerging, he is 10 times better on the mornings that >he has to wait for breakfast. Does this make sense to anyone or is it >pure coincidence? His ketones were about 1 this morning after breakfast >but they will be 8 by lunchtime I'm sure. > >Sue in NZ - Mum to Jack 3 1/2 (ketokid since 09/01) and Molly 19 months > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Me again, as you know, same pattern with , but have you ever checked ketones in the night? is always between 8 and 16 right up until 7.30 am, then regardless of breakfast time they drop to between 1.5 and 4, until the afternoon. So bedtime snacks etc, I don't think would help us. If the body is 'fasting' while asleep, surely the ketones would rise, but then, no energy is being used to burn the fat to leave the residual ketones. Perhaps 's night time seizure activity is doing the 'burning' leaving still high ketone levels when he wakes??? A mystery to me, I wish I could figure it out, no, I wish someone in the medical profession would figure it out, and help us!!! Hill, mother to Low Morning Ketones Hi All. Jack's ketones have been 4 or less in the morning, 8 by lunchtime, and 16 by late afternoon for the whole 5 weeks that he has been on the diet and some mornings he is brilliant, active and talking lots, but others he is lethargic and just wants to lie around. He hasn't had seizures for over 2 years so we only have behaviour to go by. As it is coming up to Summer, the days are getting longer so Jack is waking earlier and as he is only having 3 meals a day, we have decided that we won't give him his breakfast until 7.15am at the earliest. Some mornings he wakes at 7.00 and is having breakfast straight away and other days he is up at 6.00am and having to wait (this morning being one of them). Anyway, a pattern seems to be emerging, he is 10 times better on the mornings that he has to wait for breakfast. Does this make sense to anyone or is it pure coincidence? His ketones were about 1 this morning after breakfast but they will be 8 by lunchtime I'm sure. Sue in NZ - Mum to Jack 3 1/2 (ketokid since 09/01) and Molly 19 months "The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last resort!" List is for parent to parent support only. It is important to get medical advice from a professional keto team! Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 I think it depends on the child. I think " dips " in the middle of the night -- whether it's blood sugar or ketones, I don't know (she's almost black on the stick at bedtime and moderate in the morning) -- but I, too, try to give her breakfast first thing in the morning.--: ===== DeEtte -- Mom to (, 6, keto-kid since 1/01, med-free, seizures greatly reduced) and (, 4), sdale, AZ " I know God would never give me more than I can handle. . .I just wish he didn't trust me so much. " -- Mother Theresa __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2001 Report Share Posted October 21, 2001 janda2@... wrote: just had another thought. Could it be low blood sugar causing the behaviour issues in the morning? Jill If it was low sugar, shouldn't he do better if he eats earlier, not later? , Jesica's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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