Guest guest Posted October 16, 2001 Report Share Posted October 16, 2001 Hi Jane, Well you have come to the right place, we all feel for you. This is a poorly understood disorder and very few doctors have any good ideas on how to treat it. That doesn't mean you should give up though, you're just going to have to keep going to doctors (and usually regular ob/gyns are of no help) untill one of them finds out what is causing your pain. I ended up having to go see a reproductive endocrinologist/gynecologist before I was diagnosed as having food and hormone allergies. The cure is out there, it is just dang hard to find. in SF > Hi, > > My name is Jane I am a new member from the UK. > > I am looking for help as I have been suffering from constant vulval soreness and pain for the last 18 months. I've seen many so called experts and had an op to remove some vestibular glands but it did not work. I have intense pain, soreness and burning when I ovulate and get worse again when I have a period, so far I know it's something to do with the increase of oestrogen in my monthly cycle but no one can help me and I can find no one else who suffers my symptoms. > > I would be very grateful for a reply as this is really getting me down, it has affected every part of my life including my relationship and I am feeling so desperate. > > Jane xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2001 Report Share Posted October 16, 2001 rebecca, I had my first phone consult with Dr. Cook last night, what an awsome conversation. for the first time in 2 years I hung up with some hope and not feeling like I was insane. He suspects from my history that I have some hormonal allergies, I think I actually rushed through the phone call, not used to someone giving me that much attention. Friday I set up my appointments there with the nurse. tell me, when you went did they also check, vaginal discharge for imbalances ect.? that was one thing I failed to talk about, wondering if I have become hyper sensitive to my own discharge because it has definatly changed color and substance since this started. It stings when it touches the vulva, and I am at my worst when estrogen levels are highest. DsP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Hi, Well, the only thing you can do now is keep trying things. Do you like the doc that did the surgery? Could you go back to him or find a specialist? How many doctors have you seen about this. I'm sorry I can't help you much. Keep writing to us and I'm sure we can help you. Love, Ruth > Hi, > > My name is Jane I am a new member from the UK. > > I am looking for help as I have been suffering from constant vulval soreness and pain for the last 18 months. I've seen many so called experts and had an op to remove some vestibular glands but it did not work. I have intense pain, soreness and burning when I ovulate and get worse again when I have a period, so far I know it's something to do with the increase of oestrogen in my monthly cycle but no one can help me and I can find no one else who suffers my symptoms. > > I would be very grateful for a reply as this is really getting me down, it has affected every part of my life including my relationship and I am feeling so desperate. > > Jane xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Hi Ruth, Thanks for your reply. The doc that did the surgery has admitted running out of things to try so I can't go back to him, the troubling thing is he is a Professor of gynaecology and should be able to give me more help! I have been to 2 gynaecologists, 2 dermatologists, 3 local doctors also the GU clinic at the hospital and a homeopathic doctor so I have seen many people. I am now being referred to another gynaecologist (waiting for appointment) and am going for a blood test to check hormone levels. After that I will try the pill to see if it stops my peaks of soreness and pain during the monthly cycle. I live in the UK but have joined this group looking for other ideas of things to try. Today I have been prescribed Ovestin cream to relieve the dryness I have and Fluoxetine which has just been licensed in the UK to treat PMT problems, it's a long shot but I am willing to try anything my doctor suggests. Thanks again Jane xxx Re: Help Please > Hi, > Well, the only thing you can do now is keep trying things. Do you > like the doc that did the surgery? Could you go back to him or find > a specialist? How many doctors have you seen about this. I'm sorry > I can't help you much. Keep writing to us and I'm sure we can help > you. > Love, > Ruth > > > > Hi, > > > > My name is Jane I am a new member from the UK. > > > > I am looking for help as I have been suffering from constant vulval > soreness and pain for the last 18 months. I've seen many so called > experts and had an op to remove some vestibular glands but it did not > work. I have intense pain, soreness and burning when I ovulate and > get worse again when I have a period, so far I know it's something to > do with the increase of oestrogen in my monthly cycle but no one can > help me and I can find no one else who suffers my symptoms. > > > > I would be very grateful for a reply as this is really getting me > down, it has affected every part of my life including my relationship > and I am feeling so desperate. > > > > Jane xxx > > > *****END OF MESSAGE***** > ------------------------------------------------- > To post message: VulvarDisorders > To Subscribe: VulvarDisorders-subscribe > Unsubscribe: VulvarDisorders-unsubscribe > List owner: VulvarDisorders-owner > > ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Jane, Have you been checked to see if you have cyclic vaginosis? That would be too much lactobacillus. Increases in symptoms during menstration is one of the symptoms. Bunny /| |\ . . ( ! ) Reply-To: VulvarDisorders To: <VulvarDisorders > Subject: Re: Re: Help Please Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:34:54 +0100 Hi Ruth, Thanks for your reply. The doc that did the surgery has admitted running out of things to try so I can't go back to him, the troubling thing is he is a Professor of gynaecology and should be able to give me more help! I have been to 2 gynaecologists, 2 dermatologists, 3 local doctors also the GU clinic at the hospital and a homeopathic doctor so I have seen many people. I am now being referred to another gynaecologist (waiting for appointment) and am going for a blood test to check hormone levels. After that I will try the pill to see if it stops my peaks of soreness and pain during the monthly cycle. I live in the UK but have joined this group looking for other ideas of things to try. Today I have been prescribed Ovestin cream to relieve the dryness I have and Fluoxetine which has just been licensed in the UK to treat PMT problems, it's a long shot but I am willing to try anything my doctor suggests. Thanks again Jane xxx Re: Help Please > Hi, > Well, the only thing you can do now is keep trying things. Do you > like the doc that did the surgery? Could you go back to him or find > a specialist? How many doctors have you seen about this. I'm sorry > I can't help you much. Keep writing to us and I'm sure we can help > you. > Love, > Ruth > > > > Hi, > > > > My name is Jane I am a new member from the UK. > > > > I am looking for help as I have been suffering from constant vulval > soreness and pain for the last 18 months. I've seen many so called > experts and had an op to remove some vestibular glands but it did not > work. I have intense pain, soreness and burning when I ovulate and > get worse again when I have a period, so far I know it's something to > do with the increase of oestrogen in my monthly cycle but no one can > help me and I can find no one else who suffers my symptoms. > > > > I would be very grateful for a reply as this is really getting me > down, it has affected every part of my life including my relationship > and I am feeling so desperate. > > > > Jane xxx > > > *****END OF MESSAGE***** > ------------------------------------------------- > To post message: VulvarDisorders > To Subscribe: VulvarDisorders-subscribe > Unsubscribe: VulvarDisorders-unsubscribe > List owner: VulvarDisorders-owner > > ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 > Hi, > > My name is Jane I am a new member from the UK. > > I am looking for help as I have been suffering from constant vulval soreness and pain for the last 18 months. I've seen many so called experts and had an op to remove some vestibular glands but it did not work. I have intense pain, soreness and burning when I ovulate and get worse again when I have a period, so far I know it's something to do with the increase of oestrogen in my monthly cycle but no one can help me and I can find no one else who suffers my symptoms. > > I would be very grateful for a reply as this is really getting me down, it has affected every part of my life including my relationship and I am feeling so desperate. > > Jane xxx Jane---could be Cyclic Vulvoganitis--- You are right about hormones and your cycle BUT it would not be an increase in estrogen but rather a DECREASE in estrogen from ovulation to period starting that would aggrivate yeast. Did you take antibiotics prior to your burning? I have had doctors say I have yeast but not enough to call an " infection " . You need a certain number in the colony to be given the " yeast infection " diagnosis. YET for some, only a couple or even one is enough to cause problems if you are 1) allergic to candida (yeast) or 2) sensitive to it. You can have an allergy test done or see if your doctor will let you try antifungals from ovulation to your period for a few months to see if you improve. We have high estrogen/low progesterone for the first half of the month then it turns and is high progesterone/low estrogen the second half of the month. When you have your period--both drop. Usually burning relief is not felt till about the 3rd day of bleeding if you have CV. Anyway--here is some info. What it is saying is that to be tested for yeast you need to go when you have the least amount of burning for some reason. Many times, yeast is negative but if you have one or two for you this could be POSITIVE. I'm not making much sense here---you can read for yourself and then do a search on it as well. Good luck, Lynn -------------- Cyclic Vulvovaginitis Cyclic vulvovaginitis (CVV) is probably the most common cause of vulvodynia. Pain is typically cyclic, being worst during the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle. Pain onset in relation to coitus is characteristic, i.e. symptoms flare up after intercourse, and pain is usually worst the next day.3,9 Traditional courses of antimycotics give temporary relief, but symptoms recur soon after the treatment. Findings of CVV on speculum examination or colposcopic examination are within normal limits, except that the swab test is usually positive. CVV is thought to be caused by a hypersensitivity reaction to Candida antigen.3,9 However, Candida cannot be detected during the symptomatic phase because of the body's immune response. If one is seeking microbiological proof for the diagnosis of CVV, culture specimens for Candida should be obtained during an asymptomatic phase. Prolonged maintenance therapy with antimycotics, topically or systematically, is usually effective, Therapy should be continued three times per week for up to three months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 > Jane, > > Have you been checked to see if you have cyclic vaginosis? That would be > too much lactobacillus. Increases in symptoms during menstration is one of > the symptoms. > > Bunny /| |\ > . . > ( ! ) > > > I think meant: Cytolytic Vaginosis Cytolytic Vaginosis Cytolytic vaginosis is caused by an overgrowth if lactobacilli. Symptoms are very similar to those of women with vulvovaginal candidiasis, i.e. itching, burning, whitish discharge, dyspareunia and external dysuria. Symptoms are cyclic, and usually become worse during the luteal phase. Most patients have been treated multiple times for vulvovaginal candidiasis although the diagnosis has not been confirmed by culture or other confirmatory tests. Before making the diagnosis of cytolytic vaginosis it is important to exclude other aetiologies. Examination usually shows whitish discharge and low vaginal pH (3.5-4.0). Findings on wet mount examination characteristically show heavy overgrowth of lactobacilli and disrupted epithelial cells (i.e. cytolysis) in the absence of Candida, clue cells or leucocytes. Sometimes heavily overgrown lactobacilli appear as 'false clue cells' when lactobacilli cover epithelial cells mimicking clue cells. Treatment is directed toward reducing the quantity of lactobacilli. One recommendation is vaginal douching with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) solution (50 g of sodium bicarbonate in one litre of warm water) two to three times a week when needed. Careful counselling cannot be overemphasized: assurance of the physiological nature of the condition assists the patient to cope with the problem. ----------------------------------------- Luteal phase is from ovulation to your period starting. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Lynn, Have you any idea if this Cytolytic Vaginosis symptoms include vulval swelling too? every time I ovulate I swell up sometimes I can't walk or sit the swelling is so hard, it makes the soreness and burning hurt even more and lasts about 7 days. The strange thing is I never swell when I have a period. I did have a diagnosis early on of an an-aerobic infection and I had 2 lots of something called Metronidazole (I think that was the name) but it actually made my soreness and swelling worse, so this got ruled out. Any ideas? Jane xxx Re: Help Please > > > Jane, > > > > Have you been checked to see if you have cyclic vaginosis? That > would be > > too much lactobacillus. Increases in symptoms during menstration is > one of > > the symptoms. > > > > Bunny /| |\ > > . . > > ( ! ) > > > > > > > > I think meant: Cytolytic Vaginosis > > Cytolytic Vaginosis > Cytolytic vaginosis is caused by an overgrowth if lactobacilli. > Symptoms are very similar to those of women with vulvovaginal > candidiasis, i.e. itching, burning, whitish discharge, dyspareunia and > external dysuria. Symptoms are cyclic, and usually become worse during > the luteal phase. Most patients have been treated multiple times for > vulvovaginal candidiasis although the diagnosis has not been confirmed > by culture or other confirmatory tests. Before making the diagnosis of > cytolytic vaginosis it is important to exclude other aetiologies. > Examination usually shows whitish discharge and low vaginal pH > (3.5-4.0). Findings on wet mount examination characteristically show > heavy overgrowth of lactobacilli and disrupted epithelial cells > (i.e. cytolysis) in the absence of Candida, clue cells or leucocytes. > Sometimes heavily overgrown lactobacilli appear as 'false clue cells' > when lactobacilli cover epithelial cells mimicking clue cells. > Treatment is directed toward reducing the quantity of lactobacilli. > One recommendation is vaginal douching with sodium bicarbonate > (baking soda) solution (50 g of sodium bicarbonate in one litre of > warm water) two to three times a week when needed. Careful counselling > cannot be overemphasized: assurance of the physiological nature of > the condition assists the patient to cope with the problem. > ----------------------------------------- > Luteal phase is from ovulation to your period starting. > > Lynn > > > > *****END OF MESSAGE***** > ------------------------------------------------- > To post message: VulvarDisorders > To Subscribe: VulvarDisorders-subscribe > Unsubscribe: VulvarDisorders-unsubscribe > List owner: VulvarDisorders-owner > > ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Sorry I was typing too fast, I did mean Cytolytic Vaginosis. Sorry about the confusion. Thats a word I have to think about when I am typing:) Bunny /| |\ . . ( ! ) Reply-To: VulvarDisorders To: VulvarDisorders Subject: Re: Help Please Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:12:11 -0000 > Have you been checked to see if you have cyclic vaginosis? That would be too much lactobacillus. I think meant: Cytolytic Vaginosis Cytolytic Vaginosis Cytolytic vaginosis is caused by an overgrowth if lactobacilli. Symptoms are very similar to those of women with vulvovaginal candidiasis, i.e. itching, burning, whitish discharge, dyspareunia and external dysuria. Symptoms are cyclic, and usually become worse during the luteal phase. Most patients have been treated multiple times for vulvovaginal candidiasis although the diagnosis has not been confirmed by culture or other confirmatory tests. Before making the diagnosis of cytolytic vaginosis it is important to exclude other aetiologies. Examination usually shows whitish discharge and low vaginal pH (3.5-4.0). Findings on wet mount examination characteristically show heavy overgrowth of lactobacilli and disrupted epithelial cells (i.e. cytolysis) in the absence of Candida, clue cells or leucocytes. Sometimes heavily overgrown lactobacilli appear as 'false clue cells' when lactobacilli cover epithelial cells mimicking clue cells. Treatment is directed toward reducing the quantity of lactobacilli. One recommendation is vaginal douching with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) solution (50 g of sodium bicarbonate in one litre of warm water) two to three times a week when needed. Careful counselling cannot be overemphasized: assurance of the physiological nature of the condition assists the patient to cope with the problem. ----------------------------------------- Luteal phase is from ovulation to your period starting. Lynn _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Jane, I'm sure you've already had a slew of replies to your email. I'm so, so sorry for your pain and can very much relate. Do you know what brought it on? I've been suffering for 3 1/2 years due to a suppository I was given for a bacterial infection. Have you tried the low oxalate diet? I've found it to be somewhat helpful. I'm also using Ox-Absorb, NAG and Estrace cream. How's that for comprehensive. I've found them all helpful enough to keep using them, but I'm not pain free. YET!! I haven't been using the Estrace for very long, about two weeks, but think it might be a good thing. Oh, I'm also using a natural testosterone cream. There are sooo many things to try and everyone is different. Wish I could send you a magic pill! Any questions about the above remedies, please let me know!! I also find a cool bath helpful. Take care, Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 I have used glycerin suppositories in the past. Also milk of mag has also worked for us. We used to battle constipation all the time, now I just give Senakot every other day. Seems to keep him regular with no long term effects. Knock on wood. Marie, mom to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Mineral oil is gross, but it might help in an emergency. Bill > Pam wrote: > > is backed right up. She is vomitting, too high ketosis....black > on the stick. She won't eat or drink. I'm positive she is severely > constipated. > > I need the name of an enema I can use with her that is safe on this > diet to get her going and then I will head out and get some pysillium > husks. Can someone refresh me on what is the best again? > > In the mean time, what enema's do you recommend? > > I have given her 50ml of orange juice 3 times today and she is still > black on the stick. I'm not feeling to good about things right now. > > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Pysillium husk powder is best as it mixes better and you can use it as a thickener for soups puddings and hot chocolate. I use a blending wand to mix it-mix it well or it clumps and looks like boogers and is a gross texture. Don't know about the other issue-Jen tens more towards diarea. Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 We used apple juice instead of orange juice when Macie's ketones were too high and she was vomiting very often. The orange juice is harder on their queasy stomachs, and Macie couldn't keep it down. It seems the apple juice stayed in long enough to get ketones down a bit. It is a vicious vomiting cycle if the ketones won't come down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 We were told to use lemonade - that worked well for us. Jill At 10:37 AM 2/13/02, you wrote: >We used apple juice instead of orange juice when Macie's ketones >were too high and she was vomiting very often. The orange juice is >harder on their queasy stomachs, and Macie couldn't keep it down. >It seems the apple juice stayed in long enough to get ketones down a >bit. It is a vicious vomiting cycle if the ketones won't come down. > > > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last > resort! " > > List is for parent to parent support only. > It is important to get medical advice from a > professional keto team! > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe > Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 Thanks Jill...I'll definitely remember lemonade if we need it again (hopefully not) Lemonade is one thing my queasy pregnant tummy could always handle, so it makes sense to use it for this, too. Glenna > >We used apple juice instead of orange juice when Macie's ketones > >were too high and she was vomiting very often. The orange juice is > >harder on their queasy stomachs, and Macie couldn't keep it down. > >It seems the apple juice stayed in long enough to get ketones down a > >bit. It is a vicious vomiting cycle if the ketones won't come down. > > > > > > > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last > > resort! " > > > > List is for parent to parent support only. > > It is important to get medical advice from a > > professional keto team! > > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe@y... > > Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 So sorry to hear what you are going through. I do remeber our doc telling me that these viruses are running 10-14 days!!! I just wanted to be sure se isn't getting an IV with glucose water or anything like that! Hope all goes well! Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Tina, Nope, Marissa only has a hep lock. No IV drip right now. We've been tripped up by glucose in the IV before though! Thanks Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 With sickness the glucose can change just with the change in metabolism, independent of how you are working with the diet. That said, calories can be decreased with less energy when sick. Also, do you just give RCF and Microlipid? Shouldn't there be carbohydrate there as well? The loss in weight would normally indicate calories too low, but with the flu that may not be the case. I lost 11 pounds in 5 days myself! Bill Ketomommie@... wrote: > > Marissa is in the hospital due to status seizures. I can't figure out what > the heck is going on. If anyone has any insights, please please let me know. > She had the stomach flu two weeks ago and started seizing after that. I > would think that if that was the only cause, she would be getting better by > now, not worse. > Her band (no idea if that's spelled right) count is very high, but straight > white blood cells are fine. The ped said that indicates a significant > infection, although she has no symptoms of any kind. I asked if it could > still be the stomach virus and he said yes. Glucose was 83 this morning > before any formula. That's pretty high for a keto kid, isn't it? Blood > ketones this morning were 45 on the bioscanner and small from the hospital > lab- this should be fine for Marissa. As the day went on, I increased the > fat in her formula and her ketones went DOWN. She doesn't always get > formula, just on going to bed and when she is unable to eat due to seizures > (through gtube). Other times she eats orally. The formula is RCF and > Microlipid. I'm wondering if there is a problem with it. Her seizures > invariably start at night after formula. But I read the ingredients and > don't see anything there. Anyone have any problems with the formula? > she lost 4 pounds in the last two weeks, no vertical growth > no lotions or soaps that haven't been tried and true > I would love to be able to start the day tomorrow with a plan- please give > any thoughts whatsoever. Diastat is not working anymore. > Jen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Thanks, Lavon -- see I totally forgot that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Rita - since you were part of the "before PLS on the web", how did you find out about PLS and who did you contact? Now, I'm thinking I remember, that you once said you called NORD but now I don't remember what then.......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Do you help from " old people like me " ? If so what can I do to contribute? Rita Luv & Hugs! ************************************* Some people succeed in spite of their handicap. Others succeed because of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Don't forget Dr. Floeter at NIH- she had called for study participants one year but could not get a large enough sample to continue. Initial contacts with her were negative but Sue Niquette called directly and cajoled her into reevaluating the feasibility of resuming the research. Many of the folks who volunteered to go to Washington were recruited through PLS- friends. Also I think 2000 was when PLS- News got started with the intent of not being so " chatty " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 : I found out about PLS, when I was given the diagnosis by a neurologist at the Lahey Clinic, Burlington, Massachusetts, just outside of Boston. As for actually finding information relative to PLS, believe it or not. it was staff of the Multiple Sclerosis (New Hampshire Chapter), that did the research for me, and sent me tons of info they had received from Dartmouth Medical Center, here in NH. In that information there was an article about Levey. I did contact him, and he started to send me his newsletter as it was published. Everything was done by mail back then (no computer's). I can't remember how I found out about NORD, but I wrote to them, and they sent me a list of names (about 10) so I sent out a blanket letter to all of them. Thats how I met my dear friend Joe Alberstadt and thru Joe I met Mark and the rest is history. I am sitting here picking my brain (and at my age I really gotta pick). When I was given the diagnosis I reached a low, where I contemplated suicide. I called a crises Hot line, and I think they gave the name of NORD. How lucky this group is to be able to find this PLS Group. If I had them 15 years ago, I could have approached this disease from a more positive approach. Sorry I am starting to babble! Hope this helps! Rita Luv & Hugs! ************************************* Some people succeed in spite of their handicap. Others succeed because of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 Thanks, Rita. Stories such as yours will surely make the post-PLS website members realize how lucky they are in being able to find this wonderful group from the beginning (or close to it). Even if I don't get many responses, I'm hoping that members will appreciate our history as it unfolds. Gentner and Happy Cinco de Mayo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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