Guest guest Posted June 27, 2000 Report Share Posted June 27, 2000 It makes no sense to cut out carbs completely. Our bodies need them. The point is to limit (or eliminate) our intake of simple carbs and to stick to complex carbs, which are more slow-burning (conversion to glucose is slower). We are trying to regulate blood sugar levels, to keep things steady and balanced. Complex carbs include most vegetables and many whole grains. My doctor gave me a handy chart that lists foods and their glycemic index, which was helpful. Succeeding on this diet involves learning a lot about food and, more specifically, learning how to do research and teach yourself what you need to know. Do eat carbohydrates, but choose whole foods over processed, veggies over fruit, etc. Sincerely, Geena V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2000 Report Share Posted June 27, 2000 Hi Geena - I would love to have a copy of that list you have of foods and glycemic index. If you are able to get it to me my e-mail is lamkinb@.... Thanks, Bob Re:Carbs It makes no sense to cut out carbs completely. Our bodies need them. The point is to limit (or eliminate) our intake of simple carbs and to stick to complex carbs, which are more slow-burning (conversion to glucose is slower). We are trying to regulate blood sugar levels, to keep things steady and balanced. Complex carbs include most vegetables and many whole grains. My doctor gave me a handy chart that lists foods and their glycemic index, which was helpful. Succeeding on this diet involves learning a lot about food and, more specifically, learning how to do research and teach yourself what you need to know. Do eat carbohydrates, but choose whole foods over processed, veggies over fruit, etc. Sincerely, Geena V ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. 1/4633/12/_/469673/_/962064657/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want to UNSUBSCRIBE ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2000 Report Share Posted June 27, 2000 Re: low carbs So would a 100% rye crispbread covered in multi grains be acceptable? The grains are sesame seeds, lin seeds etc. If acceptable? How many per day? Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 Hey in Ohio. To many carbs are not good for you period. I am using the Asian varied diet. It is almost all vegetarian with the exception of fish and chicken. No caffeine or soft drinks, no dairy products (soy milk instead), no beef or liver or fatty pork. I say eat vegies, nuts, pasta, smoothies, fruit, and tofu and honey. Lots of honey. Learn to like tofo also. When my PA started hitting me bad my right toe swelled up and the docs thought it was gout. Well, my rheumy told me that PA sometimes has gouty like symptoms. If you have time, explore gout on the Internet. Then explore how dieting is related to autoimmune diseases like PA. But personally, I think that exercise is the key. Have a great day. in Dallas --- alexsmom45326 <jca@...> wrote: > hi all, > i just saw on my local news that a study is being > conducted > at boston's brigham womens hospital. they are > studying to see > if carbohydrates trigger ra. they are finding that > it does, > but it is a young study and not totally conclusive. > are any of you affected adversely by carbs? my > husband was > just getting on me today about keeping a food diary. > i don't > because usually i am not affected, but we ate fish > last night, > and i was complaining about my fingers being swollen > and > being sore all over this morning. it was a fish > called polluck, > it was frozen and we got it at super walmart. it was > really > good, i grilled it in butter and herbs, and wasn't > fishy. > my 8 yr old even liked it, and he is picky about all > meat. > i am not disciplined enough to cut out certain foods > and > eat only this or that. if i was, i wouldn't be 40 > pds > heavy! know what i mean! i have cut out potatoes, > but we did > that during wrestling season when the boys were > trying to > keep their weight down. i don't let them do the > drastic > weight cutting, they just have learned to eat less, > which > is good for me too. sorry i am rambling, everyone > have > a good week > susan in ohio > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 I have been finding out lately that a lot of foods that I had been eating have been causing me a problem. Including meat. Spices seem to make my ps and pa act up. I made beef vegetable soup and left the tomatos out. All the veggies were good ones, not of the nightshade family. I noticed that my hands started getting real painful again. It did not happen overnight so I did not realize what was going on until I had most of the soup gone. Once I ate it all I noticed my hands getting better. Spices, meats seem to cause me problems. I think it is not so much the meat but what all the animal has been fed that is one of our problems. We are not just eating beef but antibiotics, growth hormones and anything else they use to make them more meaty. Same goes for any dairy product. I try to stay away from dairy which is not a problem cause soy milk taste pretty good to me but the meat is a problem as i was brought up on a dairy farm and meat was served at every meal. I am wondering if the spices you used on the fish might have caused more problems than the fish itself. What else did you have with it? I believe that a vegie diet would be better for all of us but even with that we have to be careful as so much is sprayed on our veggies these days. The best thing to do is to try to change your diet and see what happens. It usually does not take long. If I want a major flare up all I have to do is eat anything with hot peppers in it. You have to start paying attention to what you eat to find out what causes a problem. Keep a food diary. I know it is hard to do but then if you wake up in more pain you can check back to see what you ate differently. I dont do many carbs as I know it puts weigth on and I have a lot to lose. I lost it once cutting way back on carbs but then put it back on. It seems to me that is about the time my pa got worse. just getting on me today about keeping a food diary. i don't because usually i am not affected, but we ate fish last night, and i was complaining about my fingers being swollen and being sore all over this morning. it was a fish called polluck, it was frozen and we got it at super walmart. it was really good, i grilled it in butter and herbs, and wasn't fishy. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Hello Jane, I think you're right. Without carbs, getting your fiber intake would be hard. Yes, there is a difference between refined carbs, complex carbs and simple carbs. I think over all, the standard North American diet could stand to cut back on everything, carbs included. I think it's probably a good idea to have a more protein based breakfast. In my case, I've switched everything over to the whole grain, multi grain everything. But, I'm still getting too many carbs, which is why I'm having weight issues, and candida issues. Weight issues because I'm not burning it off, probably candida issues because of that too. ie; I can't have a toasted bagel in the morning, multi grain bagel, and then a sandwhich, with 2 slices of multigrain bread, and then have a whole wheat pasta for dinner, I just can't do it. I know a lot of people who can, and throw in a lot of high sugar fruit, cookies and pop on top of that, and they've never had a yeast infection in their lives. What I'm striving for is balance. D > I keep hearing a lot about not having carbs but this doesn't make sense to > me, I have many books on candida and none of them say to keep off carbs, of > course refined carbs are out. I personally couldn't survive without carbs > and I think you could be making your lives much harder by cutting them out. > > Jane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Hi Jane Have you heard anything about Adrenal Fatigue as begin the cause of Candidia or Hyprothyriodsm? I found a several web sites under Adrenal Fatigue in Google that make a lot of sense. Judi Re: carbs Hello Jane, I think you're right. Without carbs, getting your fiber intake would be hard. Yes, there is a difference between refined carbs, complex carbs and simple carbs. I think over all, the standard North American diet could stand to cut back on everything, carbs included. I think it's probably a good idea to have a more protein based breakfast. In my case, I've switched everything over to the whole grain, multi grain everything. But, I'm still getting too many carbs, which is why I'm having weight issues, and candida issues. Weight issues because I'm not burning it off, probably candida issues because of that too. ie; I can't have a toasted bagel in the morning, multi grain bagel, and then a sandwhich, with 2 slices of multigrain bread, and then have a whole wheat pasta for dinner, I just can't do it. I know a lot of people who can, and throw in a lot of high sugar fruit, cookies and pop on top of that, and they've never had a yeast infection in their lives. What I'm striving for is balance. D > I keep hearing a lot about not having carbs but this doesn't make sense to > me, I have many books on candida and none of them say to keep off carbs, of > course refined carbs are out. I personally couldn't survive without carbs > and I think you could be making your lives much harder by cutting them out. > > Jane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 That's right; You can't survive without carbs. When people talk about keeping carbs out of the diet they usually mean sugars and starches. Fiber is also mainly carbs. The difference is that fiber is long-chain carbs, not digestible by your own body but they are digestible by the friendly bacteria in your bowel. Long-chain carbs satisfy your body's carb requirement without giving the candida or 'bad' bacteria anything it can use. The incorrect bacteria and yeast primarily survive on sugar, simple starches, and very short-chain sugars; by the time you get to a chain length of about 5 the 'bad' bacteria can't use it. Fiber is important because the 'good' bacteria that can use it also function to suppress the 'bad' bacteria and the yeasts. They also keep blood pressure and cholesterol close to normal, improve mineral absorption, and reduce the incidence of colon cancer, among other things. Cutting back on the long-chain carbs is not necessary; healthy populations in other parts of the world get up to 300 grams daily; North Americans average 2-6 grams. Big difference. Optimum indigestible fiber intake is considered to be 9-15 grams. Duncan Crow > > Hello Jane, > > I think you're right. Without carbs, getting your fiber intake would be > hard. Yes, there is a difference between refined carbs, complex carbs and > simple carbs. I think over all, the standard North American diet could > stand to cut back on everything, carbs included. I think it's probably a > good idea to have a more protein based breakfast. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 Can you give me some examples of long chain carbs? > That's right; > > You can't survive without carbs. When people talk about keeping carbs out > of the diet they usually mean sugars and starches. > > Fiber is also mainly carbs. The difference is that fiber is long- chain > carbs, not digestible by your own body but they are digestible by the > friendly bacteria in your bowel. > > Long-chain carbs satisfy your body's carb requirement without giving the > candida or 'bad' bacteria anything it can use. The incorrect bacteria and > yeast primarily survive on sugar, simple starches, and very short- chain > sugars; by the time you get to a chain length of about 5 the 'bad' > bacteria can't use it. > > Fiber is important because the 'good' bacteria that can use it also > function to suppress the 'bad' bacteria and the yeasts. They also keep > blood pressure and cholesterol close to normal, improve mineral > absorption, and reduce the incidence of colon cancer, among other things. > > Cutting back on the long-chain carbs is not necessary; healthy > populations in other parts of the world get up to 300 grams daily; North > Americans average 2-6 grams. Big difference. Optimum indigestible fiber > intake is considered to be 9-15 grams. > > Duncan Crow > > > > > Hello Jane, > > > > I think you're right. Without carbs, getting your fiber intake would be > > hard. Yes, there is a difference between refined carbs, complex carbs and > > simple carbs. I think over all, the standard North American diet could > > stand to cut back on everything, carbs included. I think it's probably a > > good idea to have a more protein based breakfast. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 Hi I'm new to the candida support group..... Question, I have recently found out i have intestinal candida. Is it transferable to my wife???? Please let me know if you get this..... Thanks, From: " judith " <J.Isbell@...> Reply-candidiasis <candidiasis > Subject: Re: Re: carbs Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:56:09 -0700 Hi Jane Have you heard anything about Adrenal Fatigue as begin the cause of Candidia or Hyprothyriodsm? I found a several web sites under Adrenal Fatigue in Google that make a lot of sense. Judi Re: carbs Hello Jane, I think you're right. Without carbs, getting your fiber intake would be hard. Yes, there is a difference between refined carbs, complex carbs and simple carbs. I think over all, the standard North American diet could stand to cut back on everything, carbs included. I think it's probably a good idea to have a more protein based breakfast. In my case, I've switched everything over to the whole grain, multi grain everything. But, I'm still getting too many carbs, which is why I'm having weight issues, and candida issues. Weight issues because I'm not burning it off, probably candida issues because of that too. ie; I can't have a toasted bagel in the morning, multi grain bagel, and then a sandwhich, with 2 slices of multigrain bread, and then have a whole wheat pasta for dinner, I just can't do it. I know a lot of people who can, and throw in a lot of high sugar fruit, cookies and pop on top of that, and they've never had a yeast infection in their lives. What I'm striving for is balance. D > I keep hearing a lot about not having carbs but this doesn't make sense to > me, I have many books on candida and none of them say to keep off carbs, of > course refined carbs are out. I personally couldn't survive without carbs > and I think you could be making your lives much harder by cutting them out. > > Jane > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Jane: You're right about the antibiotics in meat, poultry, etc. If one must eat meat and poultry, etc., they should definitely be drug free. As for the carbs, the reason they are restricted has nothing to do with Atkins. After sugar, wheat flour is the second thing you should eliminate from the Candida diet. In simplistic terms, this is because the body easily converts it into sugar. And the Yeast Beasts just adore sugar. The Candida " diet " is not harmful. In order to rid yourself of yeast, you must stop encouraging Candida growth (which you do when you eat grains). What isn't good is the Candida. If it is allowed to remain unchecked in your system for years, it can cause serious problems (making things like Vaginitis seem like a walk in the park). Good luck - p carbs > Hi All > > I can't understand all this talk of no carbs, is it because of the Atkins fad in States, Nutritionists say that diet is harmful so I don't think it would be good for anyone who is ill. Also meat contains antibiotics, growth hormones and loads of other nasties so how can that be healthy? I don't eat any meat only fish. > > Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 did you know fish is getting just as bad? I watched a program on t.v. about 6 months ago that showed slamon and tuna farmers injecting their fish with hormones/steroids to make them grow faster. It speeds up production by two or three months! So I don't think fish is very good either. if you can find organic local stuff - then I say go to it. marni Jane s wrote: > Hi All > > I can't understand all this talk of no carbs, is it because of the > Atkins fad in States, Nutritionists say that diet is harmful so I > don't think it would be good for anyone who is ill. Also meat > contains antibiotics, growth hormones and loads of other nasties so > how can that be healthy? I don't eat any meat only fish. > > Jane > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 Hi Penny Yes I know that about meat, I find meat repulsive anyway even if it's drug-free. I don't have wheat as am intolerant but my problem is having CFS aswell I need quick and easy sources of food and rice, millet, quinoa and potatoes are one of them. There wouldn't be enough to eat if I cut out those aswell. And basically I am starving if I don't have brown rice or another complex carb in my meal. So I don't see an alternative. Regards Jane Re: carbs Jane: You're right about the antibiotics in meat, poultry, etc. If one must eat meat and poultry, etc., they should definitely be drug free. As for the carbs, the reason they are restricted has nothing to do with Atkins. After sugar, wheat flour is the second thing you should eliminate from the Candida diet. In simplistic terms, this is because the body easily converts it into sugar. And the Yeast Beasts just adore sugar. The Candida " diet " is not harmful. In order to rid yourself of yeast, you must stop encouraging Candida growth (which you do when you eat grains). What isn't good is the Candida. If it is allowed to remain unchecked in your system for years, it can cause serious problems (making things like Vaginitis seem like a walk in the park). Good luck - p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 Jane: I am just curious. You said you have " CFS " . I was diagnosed with that too - 15 years ago. The doctor was wrong. I did not have CFS, I had Candida big time. I know I am treading on dangerous ground here but I used to belong to a CFS support group and, like Candida, everyone had different symptoms (much like Candida!) Personally, I question whether there is any such thing as " CFS " - could it be that it's a diagnosis doctors throw at you when they can't come up with anything else? Re: carbs > > > Jane: You're right about the antibiotics in meat, poultry, etc. If one > must eat meat and poultry, etc., they should definitely be drug free. > > As for the carbs, the reason they are restricted has nothing to do with > Atkins. After sugar, wheat flour is the second thing you should eliminate > from the Candida diet. In simplistic terms, this is because the body easily > converts it into sugar. And the Yeast Beasts just adore sugar. > > The Candida " diet " is not harmful. In order to rid yourself of yeast, you > must stop encouraging Candida growth (which you do when you eat grains). > What isn't good is the Candida. If it is allowed to remain unchecked in > your system for years, it can cause serious problems (making things like > Vaginitis seem like a walk in the park). > > Good luck - p > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 Sorry to ask this, but...what is CFS???? Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 CFS - " Chronic Fatigue Syndrome " > Sorry to ask this, but...what is CFS???? > > Rhonda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 It just seems like this would have to be a root to CFS. Yet of course since it doesn't exist they won't diagnose it. Has anyone looked into CFS to see if it is notable different than this at all? I am now convinced for those suffering on the quinolone group (antibiotics poisoned) this at least plays a major role to it all. But one notable difference is that many get rehabilitating joint/muscle spasms problems and end up thinking they have MS. Even though I have seen joint issues can play a role with candidias, this just seems different. But I would swear there is a link to it all via the gut. Kari Re: carbs CFS - " Chronic Fatigue Syndrome " > Sorry to ask this, but...what is CFS???? > > Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Jane Re: carbs Sorry to ask this, but...what is CFS???? Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 I know it does tend to be something that doctors diagnose after testing for everything else, but it is a real illness there's no disputing that. I suppose it depends on whether after treating your candida you are still ill, I did hope that mine was candida alone but it seems I have the CFS too. Jane Re: carbs > > > Jane: You're right about the antibiotics in meat, poultry, etc. If one > must eat meat and poultry, etc., they should definitely be drug free. > > As for the carbs, the reason they are restricted has nothing to do with > Atkins. After sugar, wheat flour is the second thing you should eliminate > from the Candida diet. In simplistic terms, this is because the body easily > converts it into sugar. And the Yeast Beasts just adore sugar. > > The Candida " diet " is not harmful. In order to rid yourself of yeast, you > must stop encouraging Candida growth (which you do when you eat grains). > What isn't good is the Candida. If it is allowed to remain unchecked in > your system for years, it can cause serious problems (making things like > Vaginitis seem like a walk in the park). > > Good luck - p > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 What are your CFS symptoms? > I know it does tend to be something that doctors diagnose after testing for everything else, but it is a real illness there's no disputing that. > I suppose it depends on whether after treating your candida you are still ill, I did hope that mine was candida alone but it seems I have the CFS too. > > Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 Complete exhaustion, sleep problems, am mostly housebound and unable to work Jane Re: carbs What are your CFS symptoms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 That's what Candida at its most severe does to me. Complete and utter exhaustion. It completely robs me of me of my spirit. Don't even have the energy to talk to friends on the phone. Everything in my body aches. Tylenol for the pain so I can sleep. I had to stop working too. I should say Candida USED to do that to me! Since keeping away from all my " trigger " foods and following the Candida " diet " , I am getting my life back. Re: carbs > > > What are your CFS symptoms? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 > Hi Penny > > Yes I know that about meat, I find meat repulsive anyway even if it's > drug-free. I don't have wheat as am intolerant but my problem is having > CFS aswell I need quick and easy sources of food and rice, millet, > quinoa and potatoes are one of them. There wouldn't be enough to eat if > I cut out those aswell. And basically I am starving if I don't have > brown rice or another complex carb in my meal. So I don't see an > alternative. Regards Jane Jane, you should see the research on glutathione depletion being connected to FM and CFS, and others: http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/medline_links.html Just click a link and you'll be presented with a lot of research. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Penny and Jane, My osteopath claims that if he can't detect an excessive amount of candida in my blood tests, then I must have CFS, which he claims they can't treat. Therefore they will only be able to treat the depression that goes along with it. (Very encouraging when you are trying to become well again) Re: carbs Jane: I am just curious. You said you have " CFS " . I was diagnosed with that too - 15 years ago. The doctor was wrong. I did not have CFS, I had Candida big time. I know I am treading on dangerous ground here but I used to belong to a CFS support group and, like Candida, everyone had different symptoms (much like Candida!) Personally, I question whether there is any such thing as " CFS " - could it be that it's a diagnosis doctors throw at you when they can't come up with anything else? Re: carbs > > > Jane: You're right about the antibiotics in meat, poultry, etc. If one > must eat meat and poultry, etc., they should definitely be drug free. > > As for the carbs, the reason they are restricted has nothing to do with > Atkins. After sugar, wheat flour is the second thing you should eliminate > from the Candida diet. In simplistic terms, this is because the body easily > converts it into sugar. And the Yeast Beasts just adore sugar. > > The Candida " diet " is not harmful. In order to rid yourself of yeast, you > must stop encouraging Candida growth (which you do when you eat grains). > What isn't good is the Candida. If it is allowed to remain unchecked in > your system for years, it can cause serious problems (making things like > Vaginitis seem like a walk in the park). > > Good luck - p > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Theresa, maybe it's time you found another health practitioner! So what does he suggest you take for the " depression " ? I HATE that - years ago, when I was trying to find out what was making me so ill, I had an MD practically scream at me that it was all in my head and I was " depressed " . I continued the search. And like a lot of people, found my answer in a book on " Candia Albicans'. It was a " eureka " moment. Read everything you can on the subject of Candida, - there are a lot of good books out there and, of course, the net. And the kind people here are always ready to help you with questions. Re: carbs > > > > > > Jane: You're right about the antibiotics in meat, poultry, etc. If one > > must eat meat and poultry, etc., they should definitely be drug free. > > > > As for the carbs, the reason they are restricted has nothing to do with > > Atkins. After sugar, wheat flour is the second thing you should > eliminate > > from the Candida diet. In simplistic terms, this is because the body > easily > > converts it into sugar. And the Yeast Beasts just adore sugar. > > > > The Candida " diet " is not harmful. In order to rid yourself of yeast, > you > > must stop encouraging Candida growth (which you do when you eat grains). > > What isn't good is the Candida. If it is allowed to remain unchecked in > > your system for years, it can cause serious problems (making things like > > Vaginitis seem like a walk in the park). > > > > Good luck - p > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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