Guest guest Posted June 14, 2000 Report Share Posted June 14, 2000 I am on digest, so I forget who made the comment, but it was said that ep's end the way they do b/c the child wasn't perfect or born with problems or whatever. That may well be true of miscarried babies, but that is NOT true of ectopic babies. Ectopic babies are simply in the wrong place and as a consequence they do not have room to grow as they should. The pregnancy will end one way or another, and there is NO way to save the child. I never saw my baby on sonogram before my rupture, but I know those that have and the babies are perfect and moving and very much alive. Sure hope I have not upset or offended anyone, but I wanted to make this point. It is not known why I had an ectopic, so in that way I suppose it could be considered by some to be an act of God, but the baby's genetic makeup has nothing to do with it being ectopic. It is simply location, location, location and whatever causes it to implant in that place rather than where it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 Hello*!!!! Okay I am going to comment on this.... My RE that did my lap told me afterwards that when he " opened " me up he saw the pg in the tube and at that point I was 7weeks....he said that it looked just as it should have looked (for a uterine pg) just it was in the tube..... Now let me tell you trhat was very hard to hear...... 21 days til I start my stims ttc 3 1/2 years. 1 pg. (ectopic Jan 99) dx=unexplained mailto: IF@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 Sorry, I guess I didn't say what I wanted to very well. My dr told me that in SOME cases eps work themselves out on their own. A few other ladies on the site have mentioned that drs have told them that some of their m/cs may have been eps this same way. In my case the baby stopped developing and stayed in the tube. So my tube did not rupture, but I had to have a lap. to get it out. It should have looked like an " alien " at that point, but it was still just cells because sometimes the babies " feel " the constriction and stop developing. That's what my dr said. I have now changed to an RE. So I don't know maybe the dr. was wrong or maybe cases like mine do have a genetic problem, so they have a double whammy - tube and problem. I don't know. I know this is not true for most eps. So I was passing on what my dr said. Has anyone else heard this? I hope I wasn't sending out bad info. Joleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 Hi , Thanks for sharing that. I bet it was hard to hear. I don't know what my baby looked like...I think my surgeon was afraid I was too sensitive to be told much information (I was crying uncontrolably). I wish I knew though. It would be hard, but I wish I knew. I kind of hinted to him at my post op appointment but he only told me I was atleast 6 weeks. Then I got my surgery report which was the most insensitive thing anyone of us gals could ever get. I read it once and filed it away forever! ep 3/13/00 lap cd15 ttc!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 Joleen: From what I have learned, the reasons the baby might stop growing in the case of an ep is a matter of some debate. Those babies that stop growing as ep's may be ones that would miscarry anyway even if in the right location. They really don't know. Being that even the uterus itself is a small environment and stretches to meet the demands of the baby as it grows, I find it hard to believe that a restriction in space would be enough to make a " normal " baby stop growing unless there was something else going on as well. It is also true that some m/c might be ep's, but as to the reason why they miscarry is again something they are not sure of. It might be that the tube squeezed the " foreign " object out or again, the baby was not one that would go to term anyway...like you said - double whammy. The hardest thing for me has been that we will never know all the reasons for my personal experience. What you passed along is nothing new, it is a pretty common belief. In light of all the info we have about ep's though, I think it is perhaps incomplete (rather than wrong) information. There are so many factors in play in those early weeks of pregnancy, to say the sole reason something happened is because of the environment/location is not looking at all the other things that could have happened as well. I do not mean to discount your doctor in any way. I trust my doctor implicitly, but I have to admit that I temper everything he says with what I know from my own research on my conditions. When he says something that is different from what I have learned, I use that as a way to talk with him in an educated manner. I defer to him as the medical expert, but it gives me an opportunity to continue to learn. Much love and many prayers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 Joleen, Don't feel bad about sharing information here. We all only know what we have experienced and been told right? Each individuals experience varies, as well as I am sure we all learned, Drs thoughs. Many Drs have so many different beliefs that it is crazy. And not every Dr can be right. So we all have been told different stuff and who is to say what is right or wrong. That is my opinion on it. Hope you are having a great day! Kim ttc #1, 4+ yrs mom to angel babies, Christain (12-31-99) early m/c (3-11-00)EP, metho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 , Thanks for writing that long follow-up. It was very interesting to me. Like you, I want all the info I can get. It makes me wonder about my baby, but in a good way. I want to know so much about it that I never will, it makes me feel better to know a little more. Again, thanks Joleen ttc 2 years (now forced rest) ep 4/3 Cam 6/14/97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 Joleen: hello to you. I just wanted to comment on what Kim had said earlier to you. Every doctor is different. In this group we should all welcome everyone's opinion. I am sure your doctor told you what he actually thought. Don't feel bad for sharing with us. We all appreciate what everybody has to tell us. And believe it or not all of the information helps!!!!. I just wanted to back Kim up on what she said. Kim was totally right. Always share with us. For you only know what your doctor tells you. THANKS for sharing all your information that your doc did tell you. Take Care and if you want to add me to your buddy list please feel free to do. Ncdana26 is what I am under. Take Care and we can talk later. thoughts & Prayers, Dana........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 Joleen, When they found my ep I was 6 weeks along. But they said it was the size of 4 weeks. I was able to be treated with metho. I don't know the answer to this discussion though. I know my progesterone was low. My dr had me take supplements. It makes me think if I didn't maybe do to low progesterone my ep would have resolved itself. But then I might not have know I have a real fertility problem. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 WOW!! That was outstanding and full of knowledge.. Thanks so much, e > >Reply-To: ectopicpregnancyegroups >To: <ectopicpregnancyegroups> >Subject: Re: EP/miscarriage >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:02:02 -0400 > >Joleen: > >From what I have learned, the reasons the baby might stop growing in the >case of an ep is a matter of some debate. Those babies that stop growing >as >ep's may be ones that would miscarry anyway even if in the right location. >They really don't know. Being that even the uterus itself is a small >environment and stretches to meet the demands of the baby as it grows, I >find it hard to believe that a restriction in space would be enough to make >a " normal " baby stop growing unless there was something else going on as >well. It is also true that some m/c might be ep's, but as to the reason >why >they miscarry is again something they are not sure of. It might be that >the >tube squeezed the " foreign " object out or again, the baby was not one that >would go to term anyway...like you said - double whammy. The hardest thing >for me has been that we will never know all the reasons for my personal >experience. > >What you passed along is nothing new, it is a pretty common belief. In >light of all the info we have about ep's though, I think it is perhaps >incomplete (rather than wrong) information. There are so many factors in >play in those early weeks of pregnancy, to say the sole reason something >happened is because of the environment/location is not looking at all the >other things that could have happened as well. > >I do not mean to discount your doctor in any way. I trust my doctor >implicitly, but I have to admit that I temper everything he says with what >I >know from my own research on my conditions. When he says something that is >different from what I have learned, I use that as a way to talk with him in >an educated manner. I defer to him as the medical expert, but it gives me >an opportunity to continue to learn. > >Much love and many prayers, > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2000 Report Share Posted June 20, 2000 I saw our baby on sonogram and everything was fine except that he/she was in the wrong place so that is true E. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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