Fat not Bad, NYT article explaining history of diet recommendations

[Guest guest]

Here is a very interesting article. I think everyone here already

knows everything contained in it but it is great to see it getting some

publicity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/science/09tier.html?ref=science

[Guest guest]

hey yeah! i read that article that day for my college class and we had

a discussion over it. we basically think that whether its fat or carbs

or anything else... its the calories taht matter.. but since fat

contains more calories than carbs, fatty foods should still be

avoided. anywyas, what do you think about it?

millie

>

> Here is a very interesting article. I think everyone here already

> knows everything contained in it but it is great to see it getting some

> publicity.

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/science/09tier.html?ref=science

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " millie liao " <m55p0rt1@...>

wrote:

>

> hey yeah! i read that article that day for my college class and we had

> a discussion over it. we basically think that whether its fat or carbs

> or anything else... its the calories taht matter.. but since fat

> contains more calories than carbs, fatty foods should still be

> avoided. anywyas, what do you think about it?

>

I'll tell you what I think...low-fat diets are a steaming crock of

shit. If low-fat diets are so fricking great, why were the Masai that

Dr. Rpice studied so much healthier than the Kikuyu?

mike

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--- millie liao <m55p0rt1@...> wrote:

> hey yeah! i read that article that day for my college class and we

> had a discussion over it. we basically think that whether its fat or

> carbs or anything else... its the calories that matter.. but since

> fat contains more calories than carbs, fatty foods should still be

> avoided. anyways, what do you think about it?

Millie,

Looks like you're fairly new here at NN. Welcome to our discussions!

The only fats that should be avoided are fats high in omega-6 or that

have been hydrogenated or heavily processed, including most vegetable

oils and trans-fats (margarine, commercial mayonnaise, most salad

dressings, most commercial fried foods, and many processed-packaged

foods). These fats suppress the immune system and contribute to heart

disease and cancer when consumed in excess of about 4% of total

calories. For some references, see this article by Barry Groves, PhD:

" Polyunsaturated Oils Increase Cancer Risk "

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fats_and_cancer.html

Fats from pastured or wild animals, including meat and dairy are

beneficial and should be a large part of a healthy diet. Also, some

tropical oils, like palm and coconut oils have been used in healthy

diets for thousands of years. These good fats are high in saturated

and monounsaturated fats. The good fats help to provide us with

fat-soluble vitamins A, D, and K2 and help absorption of these

vitamins as well as E and K. They also help to reduce blood sugar

rise from eating carbohydrates that can lead to insulin spikes that

can eventually lead to insulin-resistance and diabetes over time. The

good fats also help to lower the appetite so that you don't over-eat.

So, yes, you still need to watch calories when you eat fat, but you

should find that you eat about the same or fewer calories each day

when a larger percentage is from fat. I try to get about 50-60% of my

daily calories from good fats. For more good information about fats,

be sure and read this article:

" The Skinny on Fats " :

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html

[Guest guest]

Read " Good Calories, Bad Calories. " Taubes shows that there are many

research studies that can't be explained with calories-in-calories-

out. And that the hormonal effect - not the energy in a calorimeter -

is what determines fatness or leanness. In other words, Fat calories

could make you lean, and carb calories could make you fat.

So, what I think about it is, your college class is still ignorant.

But that's okay! You're there to learn! keep reading the real

science. Not the newspaper kind.

Connie

> >

> > Here is a very interesting article. I think everyone here

already

> > knows everything contained in it but it is great to see it

getting some

> > publicity.

> >

> > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/science/09tier.html?ref=science

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You are right on the money and I don't speak from a book experience I speak

from actual experience. I can eat any amount of calories in carbs and gain

lots of weight. Since I have been on WAP and eating lots of fat I have lost

35 pounds. Very slowly mind you but still it has come off and I am sure my

caloric intake is much higher than it used to be.

Allyn

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Subject: Re: Fat not Bad, NYT article explaining history of diet

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Read " Good Calories, Bad Calories. " Taubes shows that there are many

research studies that can't be explained with calories-in-calories-

out. And that the hormonal effect - not the energy in a calorimeter -

is what determines fatness or leanness. In other words, Fat calories

could make you lean, and carb calories could make you fat.

So, what I think about it is, your college class is still ignorant.

But that's okay! You're there to learn! keep reading the real

science. Not the newspaper kind.

Connie

> >

> > Here is a very interesting article. I think everyone here

already

> > knows everything contained in it but it is great to see it

getting some

> > publicity.

> >

> > http://www.nytimes.

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/science/09tier.html?ref=science>

com/2007/10/09/science/09tier.html?ref=science

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hey! thanks for all of the info! =D

> > hey yeah! i read that article that day for my college class and we

> > had a discussion over it. we basically think that whether its fat or

> > carbs or anything else... its the calories that matter.. but since

> > fat contains more calories than carbs, fatty foods should still be

> > avoided. anyways, what do you think about it?

>

> Millie,

>

> Looks like you're fairly new here at NN. Welcome to our discussions!

> The only fats that should be avoided are fats high in omega-6 or that

> have been hydrogenated or heavily processed, including most vegetable

> oils and trans-fats (margarine, commercial mayonnaise, most salad

> dressings, most commercial fried foods, and many processed-packaged

> foods). These fats suppress the immune system and contribute to heart

> disease and cancer when consumed in excess of about 4% of total

> calories. For some references, see this article by Barry Groves, PhD:

> " Polyunsaturated Oils Increase Cancer Risk "

> http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fats_and_cancer.html

>

> Fats from pastured or wild animals, including meat and dairy are

> beneficial and should be a large part of a healthy diet. Also, some

> tropical oils, like palm and coconut oils have been used in healthy

> diets for thousands of years. These good fats are high in saturated

> and monounsaturated fats. The good fats help to provide us with

> fat-soluble vitamins A, D, and K2 and help absorption of these

> vitamins as well as E and K. They also help to reduce blood sugar

> rise from eating carbohydrates that can lead to insulin spikes that

> can eventually lead to insulin-resistance and diabetes over time. The

> good fats also help to lower the appetite so that you don't over-eat.

> So, yes, you still need to watch calories when you eat fat, but you

> should find that you eat about the same or fewer calories each day

> when a larger percentage is from fat. I try to get about 50-60% of my

> daily calories from good fats. For more good information about fats,

> be sure and read this article:

> " The Skinny on Fats " :

> http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- " millie liao " <m55p0rt1@...> wrote:

> hey! thanks for all of the info! =D

FYI, I just recently put a table in my blog showing the percentage of

omega-6, omega-3, polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, and saturated fat

in a variety of commonly used fats and oils:

http://stay-healthy-enjoy-life.blogspot.com

It's tabulated from the USDA nutrient data base.