Re: supplements (w/response)

[Guest guest]

Oh dear, I've been taking ginkgo bilboa for ages while withdrawing from prozac!!!

Sheila http://prozacwithdrawal.blogspot.com/

To: Withdrawal_and_Recovery Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:19:13 AMSubject: supplements (w/response)

<<dear catherine, i joint another support group related to antidepressants, as i need to vent from time to time and there was not much activity in our support group.and i have been attacked on few occasions in the other group for...using supplements! they are of opinion that supplements increase withdrawal symptoms, that we can have all the supplements from food and that supplements themselves cause withdrawal when decreased. i tried to talk to them, giving my example that with no supplements i would not manage with withdrawal. then i heard how do you know supplements help? you will only know if you stop supplement.. .i did not know how to argue my case.i would like if you comment some more on this, why there are people who are so against any supplements? and attack people who do well on supplements? can supplements cause withdrawal themselves? can they ramp up the withdrawal symptoms?thank youikam>>** Ikam, I

stopped answering questions like this about 8 years ago. Instead, I spend my time with people who are open to being helped. I suggest to you (as I have to others here in the past) that you do the same. It is too draining to argue about these things. These people are not really interested in your answers, they are interested only in arguing. How do I know supplements work? I know because I've seen the difference with my own eyes between those who take them and those who don't. People are against supplements because they think like converntional medicine people and think there should be one thing to take that will magically fix them. Can supps cause withdrawal? This question can't be answered because it's too generic, but what I can say is supplements are powerful. If you don't know which ones to take, you can end up with no benefit or feeling worse (for instance, many people are foolish enough to take ginkgo biloba while taking an

antidepressant) . Just because they can be purchased without a prescription doesn't mean that people have the knowledge to set up their own protocols.Re: food having all the nutrients needed. Untrue. Here's an article excerpt:...Data collected show that the nutritional content of vegetables and fruits has declined during the past 50 years -- in some cases dramatically. , a biochemist at the University of Texas, said that of 13 major nutrients in fruits and vegetables tracked by the Agriculture Department from 1950 to 1999, six showed noticeable declines -- protein, calcium, phosphorus, iron, riboflavin and vitamin C. The declines ranged from 6 percent for protein, 15 percent for iron, 20 percent for vitamin C, and 38 percent for riboflavin."It's an amazing thing," said , adding that the decline in nutrient content has not been widely noticed., who discussed his findings at a recent meeting of

the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in St. Louis, suspects the trend in agriculture toward encouraging crops that grow the fastest and biggest is a reason for the decline. The past five decades have been marked by the "Green Revolution," which has seen a marked increase in production and yields as farmers have turned to the fastest-growing and greatest-producing plants.The tradeoff is that the faster-growing plants aren't able to acquire the nutrients that their slower-growing cousins can, either by synthesis or from the soil. He said there also are differences in the amounts of nutrients lost in differing varieties of wheat and broccoli.END of Article-- C

[Guest guest]

<<Nemo,

I am also a member of the " other group " , and I would just like to say I

don't think I have heard anyone attack you or anyone else about supplements

or any other topic. I simply think that the moderator and many others have

seen the evidence that supplements can really ramp up WD symptoms, and they

have tried to share that info with us, for our benefit. But they have also

said that the decisions are up to us, and that they are supportive of our

journey no matter what.

Maybe you'd like to review the emails that have gone to and fro and see that

Debra and others are just trying to help, not attack.

Best,

Deb>>

** Deb, I think the problem is that this group blames supplements, not the

lack of knowledge on how to use them with people in withdrawal. It is the

latter that is the problem.

Regards,

>

>

> <<dear catherine, i joint another support group related to antidepressants,

> as i need to vent from time to time and there was not much activity in our

> support group.

> and i have been attacked on few occasions in the other group for...using

> supplements! they are of opinion that supplements increase withdrawal

> symptoms, that we can have all the supplements from food and that

> supplements themselves cause withdrawal when decreased. i tried to talk to

> them, giving my example that with no supplements i would not manage with

> withdrawal. then i heard how do you know supplements help? you will only

> know if you stop supplement...i did not know how to argue my case.

>

> i would like if you comment some more on this, why there are people who are

> so against any supplements? and attack people who do well on supplements?

> can supplements cause withdrawal themselves? can they ramp up the withdrawal

> symptoms?

> thank you

> ikam>>

>

> ** Ikam, I stopped answering questions like this about 8 years ago.

> Instead, I spend my time with people who are open to being helped. I suggest

> to you (as I have to others here in the past) that you do the same. It is

> too draining to argue about these things. These people are not really

> interested in your answers, they are interested only in arguing.

>

> How do I know supplements work? I know because I've seen the difference

> with my own eyes between those who take them and those who don't.

>

> People are against supplements because they think like converntional

> medicine people and think there should be one thing to take that will

> magically fix them.

>

> Can supps cause withdrawal? This question can't be answered because it's

> too generic, but what I can say is supplements are powerful. If you don't

> know which ones to take, you can end up with no benefit or feeling worse

> (for instance, many people are foolish enough to take ginkgo biloba while

> taking an antidepressant). Just because they can be purchased without a

> prescription doesn't mean that people have the knowledge to set up their own

> protocols.

>

> Re: food having all the nutrients needed. Untrue. Here's an article

> excerpt:

>

> ...Data collected show that the nutritional content of vegetables and

> fruits has declined during the past 50 years -- in some cases dramatically.

>

> , a biochemist at the University of Texas, said that of 13

> major nutrients in fruits and vegetables tracked by the Agriculture

> Department from 1950 to 1999, six showed noticeable declines -- protein,

> calcium, phosphorus, iron, riboflavin and vitamin C. The declines ranged

> from 6 percent for protein, 15 percent for iron, 20 percent for vitamin C,

> and 38 percent for riboflavin.

>

> " It's an amazing thing, " said , adding that the decline in nutrient

> content has not been widely noticed.

>

> , who discussed his findings at a recent meeting of the American

> Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in St. Louis, suspects

> the trend in agriculture toward encouraging crops that grow the fastest and

> biggest is a reason for the decline. The past five decades have been marked

> by the " Green Revolution, " which has seen a marked increase in production

> and yields as farmers have turned to the fastest-growing and

> greatest-producing plants.

>

> The tradeoff is that the faster-growing plants aren't able to acquire the

> nutrients that their slower-growing cousins can, either by synthesis or from

> the soil. He said there also are differences in the amounts of nutrients

> lost in differing varieties of wheat and broccoli.

>

> END of Article

>

> -- C

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh dear, I've been taking ginkgo bilboa for ages while withdrawing from prozac!!!

Sheila http://prozacwithdrawal.blogspot.com/ 

  **  Sheila, is this your blog (above)?  I read it quickly.  I think you'll find things go smoother once you stop the ginkgo.         I began this group because I saw so many people taking supplements without understanding the effects of these supplements. If one person said they felt better taking tryptophan, then everyone would take tryptophan (and most would have a poor response because it is an inappropriate substance to take for most people who have taken SSRIs). People would then pronounce supplements as useless and/or dangerous.  What is dangerous is people who have no knowledge of supplements and no understanding of their bodies from the drugs they have taken, blindly taking supplements without benefit of someone who has the necessary knowledge.

  It will take a couple of weeks or so to rid your body of the ginkgo.  I suggest you not do another Prozac decrease during this time.-- Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks so much for that, will stop it now, and yes that is my blog, I started taking it because I read that it helped mitigate the side effects of SSRI's on sexual functioning!

Sheila http://prozacwithdrawal.blogspot.com/

To: Withdrawal_and_Recovery Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:44:08 PMSubject: Re: supplements (w/response)

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Sheila Herd <beautifulsouth7@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Oh dear, I've been taking ginkgo bilboa for ages while withdrawing from prozac!!!

Sheila http://prozacwithdr awal.blogspot. com/

** Sheila, is this your blog (above)? I read it quickly. I think you'll find things go smoother once you stop the ginkgo.

I began this group because I saw so many people taking supplements without understanding the effects of these supplements. If one person said they felt better taking tryptophan, then everyone would take tryptophan (and most would have a poor response because it is an inappropriate substance to take for most people who have taken SSRIs). People would then pronounce supplements as useless and/or dangerous. What is dangerous is people who have no knowledge of supplements and no understanding of their bodies from the drugs they have taken, blindly taking supplements without benefit of someone who has the necessary knowledge.

It will take a couple of weeks or so to rid your body of the ginkgo. I suggest you not do another Prozac decrease during this time.-- Regards,

[Guest guest]

Another question that I have been wondering about, don't know if anyone knows, how does the contraceptive pill or in particular progestergen only pill affect withdrawal? is it ok? http://prozacwithdrawal.blogspot.com/

To: Withdrawal_and_Recovery Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:44:08 PMSubject: Re: supplements (w/response)

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Sheila Herd <beautifulsouth7@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Oh dear, I've been taking ginkgo bilboa for ages while withdrawing from prozac!!!

Sheila http://prozacwithdr awal.blogspot. com/

** Sheila, is this your blog (above)? I read it quickly. I think you'll find things go smoother once you stop the ginkgo.

I began this group because I saw so many people taking supplements without understanding the effects of these supplements. If one person said they felt better taking tryptophan, then everyone would take tryptophan (and most would have a poor response because it is an inappropriate substance to take for most people who have taken SSRIs). People would then pronounce supplements as useless and/or dangerous. What is dangerous is people who have no knowledge of supplements and no understanding of their bodies from the drugs they have taken, blindly taking supplements without benefit of someone who has the necessary knowledge.

It will take a couple of weeks or so to rid your body of the ginkgo. I suggest you not do another Prozac decrease during this time.-- Regards,

[Guest guest]

catherine, i am not arguing, i know from my experience that supplements help me.

i cancelled my membership with the other group. it was just so annoying when the

owner of the group kept generalising her one bad experience with one supplement

and telling everybody that " supplements make withdrawal worse " . i was trying to

talk to her, but with only her getting angry...

thank you for your answer...

ikam

-- In Withdrawal_and_Recovery , " nemo_ikam "

wrote:

>

> <<dear catherine, i joint another support group related to antidepressants, as

i need to vent from time to time and there was not much activity in our support

group.

> and i have been attacked on few occasions in the other group for...using

supplements! they are of opinion that supplements increase withdrawal symptoms,

that we can have all the supplements from food and that supplements themselves

cause withdrawal when decreased. i tried to talk to them, giving my example that

with no supplements i would not manage with withdrawal. then i heard how do you

know supplements help? you will only know if you stop supplement...i did not

know how to argue my case.

>

> i would like if you comment some more on this, why there are people who are so

against any supplements? and attack people who do well on supplements? can

supplements cause withdrawal themselves? can they ramp up the withdrawal

symptoms?

> thank you

> ikam>>

>

>

> ** Ikam, I stopped answering questions like this about 8 years ago.

Instead, I spend my time with people who are open to being helped. I suggest to

you (as I have to others here in the past) that you do the same. It is too

draining to argue about these things. These people are not really interested in

your answers, they are interested only in arguing.

>

> How do I know supplements work? I know because I've seen the difference

with my own eyes between those who take them and those who don't.

>

>

> People are against supplements because they think like converntional

medicine people and think there should be one thing to take that will magically

fix them.

>

>

> Can supps cause withdrawal? This question can't be answered because it's

too generic, but what I can say is supplements are powerful. If you don't know

which ones to take, you can end up with no benefit or feeling worse (for

instance, many people are foolish enough to take ginkgo biloba while taking an

antidepressant). Just because they can be purchased without a prescription

doesn't mean that people have the knowledge to set up their own protocols.

>

> Re: food having all the nutrients needed. Untrue. Here's an article

excerpt:

>

> ...Data collected show that the nutritional content of vegetables and fruits

has declined during the past 50 years -- in some cases dramatically.

>

> , a biochemist at the University of Texas, said that of 13 major

nutrients in fruits and vegetables tracked by the Agriculture Department from

1950 to 1999, six showed noticeable declines -- protein, calcium, phosphorus,

iron, riboflavin and vitamin C. The declines ranged from 6 percent for protein,

15 percent for iron, 20 percent for vitamin C, and 38 percent for riboflavin.

>

> " It's an amazing thing, " said , adding that the decline in nutrient

content has not been widely noticed.

>

> , who discussed his findings at a recent meeting of the American

Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in St. Louis, suspects the

trend in agriculture toward encouraging crops that grow the fastest and biggest

is a reason for the decline. The past five decades have been marked by the

" Green Revolution, " which has seen a marked increase in production and yields as

farmers have turned to the fastest-growing and greatest-producing plants.

>

> The tradeoff is that the faster-growing plants aren't able to acquire the

nutrients that their slower-growing cousins can, either by synthesis or from the

soil. He said there also are differences in the amounts of nutrients lost in

differing varieties of wheat and broccoli.

>

> END of Article

>

>

>

> -- C

>

[Guest guest]

Deb, I was not personally attacked, but the way discussions were led made me

feeling very confused. When I presented I am OK on supplements I was told I

cannot know it until I stop all the supplements. And also that supplements cause

withdrawal symptoms themselves. I know my history, my journey and my experience.

I was practically dead before, unable to walk far...etc...Don't want to go to

many details...

I stopped my membership in the other group, as I don't like to feel confused.

But I agree it is up to everybody to decide...

Ikam

>

> >

> >

> > <<dear catherine, i joint another support group related to antidepressants,

> > as i need to vent from time to time and there was not much activity in our

> > support group.

> > and i have been attacked on few occasions in the other group for...using

> > supplements! they are of opinion that supplements increase withdrawal

> > symptoms, that we can have all the supplements from food and that

> > supplements themselves cause withdrawal when decreased. i tried to talk to

> > them, giving my example that with no supplements i would not manage with

> > withdrawal. then i heard how do you know supplements help? you will only

> > know if you stop supplement...i did not know how to argue my case.

> >

> > i would like if you comment some more on this, why there are people who are

> > so against any supplements? and attack people who do well on supplements?

> > can supplements cause withdrawal themselves? can they ramp up the withdrawal

> > symptoms?

> > thank you

> > ikam>>

> >

> > ** Ikam, I stopped answering questions like this about 8 years ago.

> > Instead, I spend my time with people who are open to being helped. I suggest

> > to you (as I have to others here in the past) that you do the same. It is

> > too draining to argue about these things. These people are not really

> > interested in your answers, they are interested only in arguing.

> >

> > How do I know supplements work? I know because I've seen the difference

> > with my own eyes between those who take them and those who don't.

> >

> > People are against supplements because they think like converntional

> > medicine people and think there should be one thing to take that will

> > magically fix them.

> >

> > Can supps cause withdrawal? This question can't be answered because it's

> > too generic, but what I can say is supplements are powerful. If you don't

> > know which ones to take, you can end up with no benefit or feeling worse

> > (for instance, many people are foolish enough to take ginkgo biloba while

> > taking an antidepressant). Just because they can be purchased without a

> > prescription doesn't mean that people have the knowledge to set up their own

> > protocols.

> >

> > Re: food having all the nutrients needed. Untrue. Here's an article

> > excerpt:

> >

> > ...Data collected show that the nutritional content of vegetables and

> > fruits has declined during the past 50 years -- in some cases dramatically.

> >

> > , a biochemist at the University of Texas, said that of 13

> > major nutrients in fruits and vegetables tracked by the Agriculture

> > Department from 1950 to 1999, six showed noticeable declines -- protein,

> > calcium, phosphorus, iron, riboflavin and vitamin C. The declines ranged

> > from 6 percent for protein, 15 percent for iron, 20 percent for vitamin C,

> > and 38 percent for riboflavin.

> >

> > " It's an amazing thing, " said , adding that the decline in nutrient

> > content has not been widely noticed.

> >

> > , who discussed his findings at a recent meeting of the American

> > Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in St. Louis, suspects

> > the trend in agriculture toward encouraging crops that grow the fastest and

> > biggest is a reason for the decline. The past five decades have been marked

> > by the " Green Revolution, " which has seen a marked increase in production

> > and yields as farmers have turned to the fastest-growing and

> > greatest-producing plants.

> >

> > The tradeoff is that the faster-growing plants aren't able to acquire the

> > nutrients that their slower-growing cousins can, either by synthesis or from

> > the soil. He said there also are differences in the amounts of nutrients

> > lost in differing varieties of wheat and broccoli.

> >

> > END of Article

> >

> > -- C

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Curious to know, what does the ginkgo in combination with SSRI do??

To: Withdrawal_and_Recovery Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:44:08 PMSubject: Re: supplements (w/response)

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Sheila Herd <beautifulsouth7@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Oh dear, I've been taking ginkgo bilboa for ages while withdrawing from prozac!!!

Sheila http://prozacwithdr awal.blogspot. com/

** Sheila, is this your blog (above)? I read it quickly. I think you'll find things go smoother once you stop the ginkgo.

I began this group because I saw so many people taking supplements without understanding the effects of these supplements. If one person said they felt better taking tryptophan, then everyone would take tryptophan (and most would have a poor response because it is an inappropriate substance to take for most people who have taken SSRIs). People would then pronounce supplements as useless and/or dangerous. What is dangerous is people who have no knowledge of supplements and no understanding of their bodies from the drugs they have taken, blindly taking supplements without benefit of someone who has the necessary knowledge.

It will take a couple of weeks or so to rid your body of the ginkgo. I suggest you not do another Prozac decrease during this time.-- Regards,

[Guest guest]

   **  Gingko decreases serotonin production.--C

Curious to know, what does the ginkgo in combination with SSRI do?? 

To: Withdrawal_and_Recovery

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:44:08 PMSubject: Re: supplements (w/response)

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Sheila Herd <beautifulsouth7@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Oh dear, I've been taking ginkgo bilboa for ages while withdrawing from prozac!!!

Sheila http://prozacwithdr awal.blogspot. com/

 

  **  Sheila, is this your blog (above)?  I read it quickly.  I think you'll find things go smoother once you stop the ginkgo.  

       I began this group  because I saw  so many people taking supplements without understanding the effects of these supplements. If one person said they felt better taking tryptophan, then everyone would take tryptophan (and most would have a poor response because it is an inappropriate substance to take for most people who have taken SSRIs). People would then pronounce supplements as useless and/or dangerous.  What is dangerous is people who have no knowledge of supplements and no understanding of their bodies from the drugs they have taken, blindly taking supplements without benefit of someone who has the necessary knowledge.

  It will take a couple of weeks or so to rid your body of the ginkgo.  I suggest you not do another Prozac decrease during this time.-- Regards,

-- Regards, " Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead to where there is no path and leave a trail. " ~ Muriel Strode