Re: Re: Emotions affect fermentation outcome?

February 21, 2007

On 2/20/07, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: That smacks of genetic

modification to me, I'd rather be thinking

happy thoughts. Science vs. spiritual world...

......and there's so little we still know about the physical world, I find it

intriguing to consider that our emotions affect factors, including

pheromones, and that they're one vehicle by which " life " (whether it is

human sexual attraction or fungi using pheromones to mate, increasing in

numbers, fermenting our foods, etc., etc.) interacts - very much in the

science realm. So often I see people stop short at the magical/mystical

answer when often the " rational " scientific finds blow away anything we

could have ever created in our hopes or imaginations.... Nothing wrong with

happy thoughts, but I happily think there is a physical reality that occurs

- that " happy thoughts " become a catalyst for amazing interactions in the

organic chemistry world.....

Sharon

>

February 23, 2007

hmmm Connie....correct me if I'm wrong,...but isn't the definition of Christian

: " to be Christ-like? "

Re: Emotions affect fermentation outcome?

Please, if we are going to talk about Christians as a group - could

we remember to write " some " Christians. I am one on the liberal side

of the spectrum - we are not all literal fundamentalists, we are more

invisible because we don't make good TV and media drama - and I do

not feel pushed away from seeing the spiritual in nature by

discussions of historical provability.

Connie

> > >

> > > , , ....tell me....logically....or scientifically

> > >....or historically...Jesus Christ is a historical fact...yes

> > > or no?

> >

> > Well, the accounts told in the NT are not corroborated by any

> > historians of the era during which they are alleged to have

> occurred.

> > Plus, those accounts weren't even written down until 50 or more

> years

> > after. At the very least, there's a huge amount of room for

> > embellishment. So, do I believe that the NT is a 100% accurate

> > historical document? No.

> >

> > > It seems to me that it takes more " faith " to believe in a

silly

> > > notion that rice " feels and hears " than it does to believe in

a

> > > living God.

> >

> > Dr. Emoto's research may seem silly, but apparently, his

results

> are

> > well documented, and other people are able to replicate them. If

> > that's the case, his research is not a matter of faith. As I

have

> no

> > attachment to belief in either Dr. Emoto's research or the

Bible,

> it

> > just struck me that you were no less a " faller for anything "

than

> the

> > fans of Dr. Emoto.

> >

> > As for a living God, we're all living God. The story of Jesus is

> > clearly that of someone who is awake to his nondual nature. The

> vast

> > majority of people today have simply forgotten who they are.

> They're

> > like waves that are terrified to crash upon the beach because

they

> > have forgotten that they are also the Ocean and that death upon

> the

> > beach does not change the wave's true identity as Ocean. Break

> free of

> > sole identity with I/me, i.e. the egoic dream, and you, too,

will

> know

> > yourself as fully human and fully Divine.

> >

February 23, 2007

pray tell...who is judging?

Re: Emotions affect fermentation outcome?

>

> Please, if we are going to talk about Christians as a group -

could

> we remember to write " some " Christians. I am one on the liberal

side

> of the spectrum - we are not all literal fundamentalists, we are

more

> invisible because we don't make good TV and media drama - and I

do

> not feel pushed away from seeing the spiritual in nature by

> discussions of historical provability.

>

> Connie

>

February 23, 2007

>

> Definitions just reflect usage. There are obviously multiple Œdefinitions¹ of

> Christian.

>

> And one can be Christ like in many different ways, I¹d imagine. For instance,

> is posting born again nonsense to nutrition groups Christ like?

>

>> >

>> > hmmm Connie....correct me if I'm wrong,...but isn't the definition

> of Christian : " to be Christ-like? "

>> >

>> > Re: Emotions affect fermentation outcome?

>> >

>> > Please, if we are going to talk about Christians as a group -

> could

>> > we remember to write " some " Christians. I am one on the liberal

> side

>> > of the spectrum - we are not all literal fundamentalists, we are

> more

>> > invisible because we don't make good TV and media drama - and I

> do

>> > not feel pushed away from seeing the spiritual in nature by

>> > discussions of historical provability.

>> >

>> > Connie

>> >

>

February 23, 2007

Works rather well for me....desperately trying to follow in His footsteps....but

many times...He has to carry me. And since we're giving lessons here....He

certainly did rebuke the Pharisees many times...which was a wonderful thing. As

a Christian we are supposed to try to pattern our lives after His. Things that

He stood for back then, we should stand for even today. He was a very

fundamental person, rather old fashioned to be exact. I remember one part in

the Gospels where He told the Pharisee's they reminded Him of

sepulchers....pearly and white on the outside..and full of dead men's bones on

the inside. I'm sure that description would fit a lot of us Christians today.

I'm truly glad that He is constant, that He never changes. He is the same

yesterday, today and forever. That is someone to look up to. And, I'm glad He

loves me no matter how badly I may mess up. I do that a lot too.

Re: Emotions affect fermentation outcome?

Yes, it's about transformation and Christ is our role model.

How's that " being Christ-like " thing going for you?

(insider joke for you non-Christians - one of the things Christ did

was to turn the questioner's question back to them. st paul too)

Connie

> > > >

> > > > , , ....tell me....logically....or scientifically

> > > >....or historically...Jesus Christ is a historical fact...yes

> > > > or no?

> > >

> > > Well, the accounts told in the NT are not corroborated by any

> > > historians of the era during which they are alleged to have

> > occurred.

> > > Plus, those accounts weren't even written down until 50 or more

> > years

> > > after. At the very least, there's a huge amount of room for

> > > embellishment. So, do I believe that the NT is a 100% accurate

> > > historical document? No.

> > >

> > > > It seems to me that it takes more " faith " to believe in a

> silly

> > > > notion that rice " feels and hears " than it does to believe in

> a

> > > > living God.

> > >

> > > Dr. Emoto's research may seem silly, but apparently, his

> results

> > are

> > > well documented, and other people are able to replicate them. If

> > > that's the case, his research is not a matter of faith. As I

> have

> > no

> > > attachment to belief in either Dr. Emoto's research or the

> Bible,

> > it

> > > just struck me that you were no less a " faller for anything "

> than

> > the

> > > fans of Dr. Emoto.

> > >

> > > As for a living God, we're all living God. The story of Jesus is

> > > clearly that of someone who is awake to his nondual nature. The

> > vast

> > > majority of people today have simply forgotten who they are.

> > They're

> > > like waves that are terrified to crash upon the beach because

> they

> > > have forgotten that they are also the Ocean and that death upon

> > the

> > > beach does not change the wave's true identity as Ocean. Break

> > free of

> > > sole identity with I/me, i.e. the egoic dream, and you, too,

> will

> > know

> > > yourself as fully human and fully Divine.

> > >

February 23, 2007

As a source of amusement - can you tell me what happens to people who do not

believe the Christianity story?

--------- Re: Emotions affect fermentation outcome?

>

> Yes, it's about transformation and Christ is our role model.

>

> How's that " being Christ-like " thing going for you?

>

> (insider joke for you non-Christians - one of the things Christ did

> was to turn the questioner's question back to them. st paul too)

>

> Connie

>

> > > > >

> > > > > , , ....tell me....logically....or scientifically

> > > > >....or historically...Jesus Christ is a historical fact...yes

> > > > > or no?

> > > >

> > > > Well, the accounts told in the NT are not corroborated by any

> > > > historians of the era during which they are alleged to have

> > > occurred.

> > > > Plus, those accounts weren't even written down until 50 or more

> > > years

> > > > after. At the very least, there's a huge amount of room for

> > > > embellishment. So, do I believe that the NT is a 100% accurate

> > > > historical document? No.

> > > >

> > > > > It seems to me that it takes more " faith " to believe in a

> > silly

> > > > > notion that rice " feels and hears " than it does to believe in

> > a

> > > > > living God.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Emoto's research may seem silly, but apparently, his

> > results

> > > are

> > > > well documented, and other people are able to replicate them. If

> > > > that's the case, his research is not a matter of faith. As I

> > have

> > > no

> > > > attachment to belief in either Dr. Emoto's research or the

> > Bible,

> > > it

> > > > just struck me that you were no less a " faller for anything "

> > than

> > > the

> > > > fans of Dr. Emoto.

> > > >

> > > > As for a living God, we're all living God. The story of Jesus is

> > > > clearly that of someone who is awake to his nondual nature. The

> > > vast

> > > > majority of people today have simply forgotten who they are.

> > > They're

> > > > like waves that are terrified to crash upon the beach because

> > they

> > > > have forgotten that they are also the Ocean and that death upon

> > > the

> > > > beach does not change the wave's true identity as Ocean. Break

> > > free of

> > > > sole identity with I/me, i.e. the egoic dream, and you, too,

> > will

> > > know

> > > > yourself as fully human and fully Divine.

> > > >

February 23, 2007

In Acts it says they called themselves Christians because they were always

talking about them having " Christ in them " . I think you have to be a

Christian to understand that.

Allyn