Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Raw milk does have casein. The advantage of raw milk is that its bacteria are more intact thatn in pasteurised milk. This means it spoils more quickly, but it also means that it can be turned into kefir and SCD-legal yoghurt which seem to be easily absorbed by many ASD kids. We are currently using powdered goats milk. This has been hydrolyzed (see recent postings) and is easily absorbed by our son providing we add a couple of enzymes. The next step is to buy a yoghurt maker and culture SCD-legal yoghurt using raw goats milk. I shold be able to report on the results in a couple of weeks. Steve > I`m just curious if anyone whose kids can`t have dairy has tried raw milk and > what happened. I have a few friends who use raw milk. (Their kids aren`t > autistic). Apparently it is entirely different from any regular milk. Would > it still have casein in it and would it be a problem? Even with the enzymes, > my son can`t seem to handle a lot of milk products. I know it could be the > phenols, but I`m just curious if anyone has tried this instead of regular > milk. If so, I`d like to hear your story-good or bad. Thanks. > Debbie in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 I tried raw goat's milk. It was not a success. Sorry. And I tried several times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 In a message dated 5/2/03 3:32:38 am, mrrva@... writes: > Marti knows a couple good goats ;-) > A whole herd! pastured on organically kept grass in Wales. Fabulous milk with a high butterfat content that lends itself easily to homemade cheese, which i'm sure you will also be making along with your own candles..... Marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Hi Prue, Let me know how it goes... which enzyme are you giving with it? Thanks Truly, a I have found organic, unhomogenised milk and it is yummy! Am trying Harry on it so we will see how he goes. I gave the enzymes with it and am hoping for the best! > Prue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Ok-I am really close to starting the SCD diet this weekend Here are my concerns...up until now we have been gfcf no rice, no potatoes and no corn and no fruit ,no fruit juice and no sugar and vinegar of any kind. I am really nervous about adding the honey in our diet and fruit.I will probably hold off on the vinegar and casein. We are taking out the quinoa, tapioca flour and arrowroot flour and replacing with almond, pecan, filbert etc. Are canned beans ok with no sugar? I can't remember. What kind of behavior or symptoms should I expect while adding these in? I bought some elli's apple cider. I am nervous...but my kids are excited to have fruit back in their life. I bought some apples to bake for them tomorrow am. I just hope our tummies can handle all of this. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 With the SCD diet, you certainly don't have to eat honey. It's just that sugar is not allowed. And again, you certainly don't have to eat fruits. It's just that they are allowed (fresh fruit). Canned beans are not allowed, simply because you have no real idea, if anything has been added to them. Canned foods are mostly disallowed for that very reason. Labels often leave things out. Re: Re: raw milk Ok-I am really close to starting the SCD diet this weekend Here are my concerns...up until now we have been gfcf no rice, no potatoes and no corn and no fruit ,no fruit juice and no sugar and vinegar of any kind. I am really nervous about adding the honey in our diet and fruit.I will probably hold off on the vinegar and casein. We are taking out the quinoa, tapioca flour and arrowroot flour and replacing with almond, pecan, filbert etc. Are canned beans ok with no sugar? I can't remember. What kind of behavior or symptoms should I expect while adding these in? I bought some elli's apple cider. I am nervous...but my kids are excited to have fruit back in their life. I bought some apples to bake for them tomorrow am. I just hope our tummies can handle all of this. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 I wish we could get it in Florida. I've read about raw milk--it appears to be a wonderful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Go to realmilk.com/where2.html, there are a few sources. Not tried any myself. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:15:20 EST JCKRPF@... writes: > I wish we could get it in Florida. I've read about raw milk--it > appears to be > a wonderful thing. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 In a message dated 11/13/03 11:11:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, cbroyles5@... writes: > realmilk.com/where2.html, Thank you. I just heard that in Florida you can have raw milk if you own part of the farm--hence these cow-share programs. Where there's a will, there's a way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 We tried raw milk with my son (2) and he didn't have any problems with it. And he didn't need it with any enzymes or anything. Unfortunately, his drinking it was short lived. I think he didn't like the texture as he was used to rice milk. I've been drinking it since we stopped nursing a month ago. I was never a huge milk person and couldn't drink it straight. I *love* the raw milk. It has such a creamy, mild flavor. It doesn't give me any stomach issues at all, either. It is all I will drink now. Hope that helps. Truly, a > Has anyone on this list used raw milk with their kids? Any benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 I mentioned in " ph " thread that the body ecology diet uses raw dairy/colostrum for autistic kids with good results or so they say. I myself began drinking raw dairy last week. I think I was allergic to the milk. It tasted great though. The colostrum, however, is even better and my body seems to love it. I think I am addicted or something. I have to order more on Monday as I am craving it. It comes from happy cows eating organic grass. Its truly a " live " food. Most of our food is not, even if organic, it is not freshly picked from the ground, but stored and shipped and stored again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 My son has been drinking the raw goat's milk for almost a year now. My brother hadn't been by to see him in a few months, and he was amazed at the difference. I know he had rapid catch up growth, I could tell that from the clothes he had outgrown. There was much more too, he doesn't look so fragile anymore. His gait has vastly improved. He doesn't cover his ears as much as before, but he still continues with those pesky ear infections. I think the most noticeable of all the differences is the running stopped. It stopped almost to the day that we began the raw goat's milk. If not that he is non-verbal would be my greatest complaint, next would be that he was a 'runner'. Everything I had tried with behavioral therapy or nutritional supplements failed. If I just took him out the front door, I had to have a lock on his arm, or he would run. It had gotten worst because he was older and bigger and I just couldn't pick him up and carry him any longer. I use to hate the long walk back to the car from school, he would fight me the whole way. And I would never consider putting this child on a bus. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many nights I had nightmares of him getting hit by a car, or something happening to him while I wasn't in his care. After we began him on the milk the running just stopped. I remember giving him a little extra distance just to see if it was safe. The first real test to see if he would wander off came while we were on vacation on the Disney Cruise boat. My husband and I let go of him, and he was following us. Off came a ton a people when two elevators opened at once, and it separated us from him. I admit I got panicky, but I could see him through the crowd, and when he saw me, he made his way through. It is a moment that I will always remember. Best, Carlton JCKRPF@... wrote: > In a message dated 11/13/03 11:11:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cbroyles5@... writes: > > >> realmilk.com/where2.html, > > > Thank you. I just heard that in Florida you can have raw milk if you own part > of the farm--hence these cow-share programs. Where there's a will, there's a > way > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 - Hi - Is your son on Pep? If so, for how long before you introduced the goat's milk? Thanks! Cyndi K. -- In , Carlton <carltonl@c...> wrote: > My son has been drinking the raw goat's milk for almost a year now. > My brother hadn't been by to see him in a few months, and he was amazed > at the difference. I know he had rapid catch up growth, I could tell > that from the clothes he had outgrown. There was much more too, he > doesn't look so fragile anymore. His gait has vastly improved. > He doesn't cover his ears as much as before, but he still continues > with those pesky ear infections. I think the most noticeable of all > the differences is the running stopped. It stopped almost to the > day that we began the raw goat's milk. If not that he is non-verbal > would be my greatest complaint, next would be that he was a 'runner'. > Everything I had tried with behavioral therapy or nutritional > supplements failed. If I just took him out the front door, I had > to have a lock on his arm, or he would run. It had gotten worst because > he was older and bigger and I just couldn't pick him up and carry him > any longer. I use to hate the long walk back to the car from school, > he would fight me the whole way. And I would never consider putting > this child on a bus. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many nights > I had nightmares of him getting hit by a car, or something happening to > him while I wasn't in his care. > After we began him on the milk the running just stopped. I remember > giving him a little extra distance just to see if it was safe. The first > real test to see if he would wander off came while we were on vacation > on the Disney Cruise boat. My husband and I let go of him, and he was > following us. Off came a ton a people when two elevators opened at > once, and it separated us from him. I admit I got panicky, but I could > see him through the crowd, and when he saw me, he made his way through. > It is a moment that I will always remember. Best, Carlton > > JCKRPF@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/13/03 11:11:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > cbroyles5@j... writes: > > > > > >> realmilk.com/where2.html, > > > > > > Thank you. I just heard that in Florida you can have raw milk if you own part > > of the farm--hence these cow-share programs. Where there's a will, there's a > > way > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Cyndi, Yes, he was taking those, but before we started the raw milk. I probably should keep him on those, but I just keep forgetting to give them to him. He probably could be doing a lot better with the extra enzymes, but I have gotten lazy, after a decade of using various supplements. I think I just got burn out giving him so much each day. I should go back. Best, Carlton CYNDITK wrote: > - > Hi - > Is your son on Pep? If so, for how long before you introduced the > goat's milk? Thanks! > Cyndi K. > > > > > -- In , Carlton > <carltonl@c...> wrote: > >> My son has been drinking the raw goat's milk for almost a > > year now. > >>My brother hadn't been by to see him in a few months, and he > > was amazed > >>at the difference. I know he had rapid catch up growth, I could > > tell > >>that from the clothes he had outgrown. There was much more > > too, he > >>doesn't look so fragile anymore. His gait has vastly improved. >> He doesn't cover his ears as much as before, but he still > > continues > >>with those pesky ear infections. I think the most noticeable of > > all > >>the differences is the running stopped. It stopped almost to the >>day that we began the raw goat's milk. If not that he is > > non-verbal > >>would be my greatest complaint, next would be that he was a > > 'runner'. > >> Everything I had tried with behavioral therapy or nutritional >>supplements failed. If I just took him out the front door, I had >>to have a lock on his arm, or he would run. It had gotten worst > > because > >>he was older and bigger and I just couldn't pick him up and > > carry him > >>any longer. I use to hate the long walk back to the car from > > school, > >>he would fight me the whole way. And I would never consider > > putting > >>this child on a bus. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many > > nights > >>I had nightmares of him getting hit by a car, or something > > happening to > >>him while I wasn't in his care. >> After we began him on the milk the running just stopped. I > > remember > >>giving him a little extra distance just to see if it was safe. The > > first > >>real test to see if he would wander off came while we were on > > vacation > >>on the Disney Cruise boat. My husband and I let go of him, and > > he was > >>following us. Off came a ton a people when two elevators > > opened at > >>once, and it separated us from him. I admit I got panicky, but I > > could > >>see him through the crowd, and when he saw me, he made > > his way through. > >> It is a moment that I will always remember. Best, > > Carlton > >>JCKRPF@a... wrote: >> >> >>>In a message dated 11/13/03 11:11:09 AM Eastern Standard > > Time, > >>>cbroyles5@j... writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>>realmilk.com/where2.html, >>> >>> >>>Thank you. I just heard that in Florida you can have raw milk if > > you own part > >>>of the farm--hence these cow-share programs. Where > > there's a will, there's a > >>>way >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Wow , That's a fantastic story! It's so inspiring and gives so much hope to hear the stories of others. Thanks so much for sharing! Jaci > > > In a message dated 11/13/03 11:11:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > cbroyles5@j... writes: > > > > > >> realmilk.com/where2.html, > > > > > > Thank you. I just heard that in Florida you can have raw milk if you own part > > of the farm--hence these cow-share programs. Where there's a will, there's a > > way > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Jaci, Thank you, I believe what happened to my son was partly due to the fact that I didn't breast feed him, but gave him infant formula. Then when he was given the thimerosal containing vaccine, the antiseptic effects of thimerosal killed his defense bacteria. And since he had no dietary sources of probiotic bacteria he became ill. Here is an interesting paper that I read yesterday. See below Best, Carlton http://mercola.com/2000/oct/22/infant_formula.htm Infant Formula Fortification Protocol by Sally Fallon and Enig A mother's breast milk is nature's perfect and complete food for babies and can't even come close to being reproduced. With so many substances known to be present in breastmilk, but unable to be replicated in breastmilk substitutes (formula), plus all of the as-yet unidentified constituents, it should come as no great surprise that children today are suffering from a vast myriad of illnesses and disorders. The human brain is infinitely more sophisticated than the world's fastest computer, yet many people naively think that this wondrous organ can be perfectly constructed without any regard to the " raw materials " required. Building a properly functioning brain requires the right materials, just as building a computer would. Imagine trying to build a computer from scratch, without any microchips. Or trying to build a house without any lumber, bricks, steel, or other materials. However, while there is no way to create a formula equal to breastmilk, there are steps that can be taken to improve somewhat upon the standard formulas that are available. One of the nutritional areas that are woefully inadequate with formulas is in regards to their fatty acid content. With all of the anti-fat propaganda going on these days, most people don't realize the critical importance of fat, especially with infants. Not only is the quantity important, but the quality and breakdown of the types of fat supplied as well. After all, the brain is 60% lipid (fat). Of this fat, approximately 12 % is arachidonic acid (AA) and 17% is docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). Many people have heard about the benefits and importance of the omega-3 fatty acids DHA and EPA, found primarily in fish. The importance of DHA in the infants' diet recently prompted many countries (not including the US) to allow formula producers to fortify their products with DHA, as well as AA. Currently, DHA/AA enhanced formulas are available, although not mandatory, throughout most of Europe. Unfortunately, this small step still does not provide infants the nutrients they desperately require, due to several problems. First of all, the DHA added to the formulas, obtained from microalgae, is highly oxidized (approximately 30%). Additionally, DHA and AA are not the sole fat constituents of breastmilk. Fortifying with them is a step in the right direction, but still leaves out plenty of important substances. In an effort to help people provide their infants with the best possible nutrition, we often instruct mothers to " create " fortified formulas. But of course we insist that mothers breastfeed if at all possible or even obtain fresh breastmilk from a lactating friend or relative, if they have adopted a baby, or can't breastfeed for some reason. For the infant to remain as healthy as possible, he must obtain a proper balance of all the essential fats, which is difficult to impossible, especially when you are changing mother nature and trying to create a formula. However, below is a basic fat fortification protocol, which attempts to come as close as possible to " the real thing " : * Carlson's Cod Liver Oil - one cc per ten pounds of body weight * Organic egg yolk - 1 yolk daily added at four months of age * Organic cream ideally non-pasteurized and non-homogenized -- If you are unable to find a local dairy farmer who will cooperate with you please try this link: http://www.realmilk.com/where.html. * Omega Nutrition pure sesame, walnut, safflower, sunflower, oils (rotate with above) - 1 T daily * One teaspoon high quality coconut oil. This oil needs to be heated to 76 degrees to become a liquid. Supplemental oils like fish oils can't be added to bottles because they will adhere to the sides, so it is necessary to administer directly into the mouth. But base oils as safflower, sunflower and sesame can be blended into the formula. It is important, if not breastfeeding, to use one of the commercially available formulas as a " base " from which to fortify the infant's diet. Although some people might be tempted to create their own homemade formula, I don't recommend this approach, as it is just too dangerous that something could be inadvertently left out or added in too great a quantity. A mistake could cost an infant his life. Nutramagen or Alimentum can be used as a base infant formula and 'doctored up' with nutritional perks. Both of these formulas are acceptable in regard to the 'allergic' aspect, and are the ones usually used when children cannot tolerate anything. Of course, they are also the most expensive. FORTIFIED COMMERCIAL FORMULA Makes about 35 ounces This stopgap formula can be used in emergencies, or when the ingredients for homemade formula are unavailable. 1 cup Mead low-iron, milk-based powdered formula, Nutramigen or Alimentum are best and better tolerated but are more expensive 29 ounces filtered water (3 5/8 cups) 1 large egg yolk from an organic egg, cooked 3 1/2 minutes (See recipe for egg yolk, below) 1 teaspoon cod liver oil Place all ingredients in a blender or food processor and blend thoroughly. Place 6-8 ounces in a very clean glass bottle. (Store the rest in a very clean glass jar in the refrigerator for the next feedings.) Attach a clean nipple to the bottle and set in a pan of simmering water until formula is warm but not hot to the touch, shake well and feed to baby. (Never heat formula in a microwave oven!) If your baby is premature, one additional area of fortification is in the area of free amino acids, most notably taurine. This nutrient is also critical for infant development and is found in human milk but not in cow's milk. Although many formulas add some taurine, it has been shown that formula-fed infants have lower levels of taurine in their blood than breastfed infants do, even when the formula is has added taurine. Contrary to the advice given by some, soy milk, almond milk, or carrot juice, even if organic and homemade, are most definitely NOT ACCEPTABLE SUBSTITUTES FOR BREASTMILK, or even for formula. For those mothers who are breastfeeding, it is important to realize that the essential fatty acid content of her breast milk coincides with what she eats. Therefore, her diet is very important for the health of her baby. One of the most important things that a breastfed mother can do is to avoid foods containing trans fats, such as margarine and anything with hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils. While one can't guarantee that taking the steps outlined above will completely eliminate problems such as ADD/ADHD and other behavioral problems, developmental problems, autism, visual difficulties, and others, I believe that it is a strong possibility that it could help to reduce their incidence, although it is important to always remember that BREAST IS BEST. PLEASE recognize that soy formula is an unmitigated disaster for infants and should never be used. It is high in: * manganese * aluminum * phytoestrogens that will harm your baby For more information please read the links below. Alternatively a raw milk formula can be made: MILK-BASED FORMULA From Weston Price Foundation Makes 36 ounces Our milk-based formula takes account of the fact that human milk is richer in whey, lactose, vitamin C, niacin, and long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids compared to cow’s milk but leaner in casein (milk protein). The addition of gelatin to cow’s milk formula will make it more digestible for the infant. Use only truly expeller-expressed oils in the formula recipes, otherwise they may lack vitamin E. The ideal milk for baby, if he cannot be breastfed, is clean, whole raw milk from old-fashioned cows, certified free of disease, that feed on green pasture. For sources of good quality milk, see www.realmilk.com or contact a local chapter of the Weston A. Price Foundation. If the only choice available to you is commercial milk, choose whole milk, preferably organic and unhomogenized, and culture it with a piima or kefir culture to restore enzymes (available from G.E.M. Cultures 707-964-2922). 2 cups whole milk, preferably unprocessed milk from pasture-fed cows 1/4 cup homemade liquid whey (See recipe for whey, below) 4 tablespoons lactose (available from The Apothecary 301-530-1112) 1 teaspoon bifidobacterium infantis (available from Natren 800-992-3323) 2 or more tablespoons good quality cream (not ultrapasteurized), more if you are using milk from Holstein cows 1 teaspoon cod liver oil (available from Radiant Life 888-593-8333) 1 teaspoon expeller-expressed sunflower oil 1 teaspoon extra virgin olive oil 2 teaspoons coconut oil (available from Radiant Life) 2 teaspoons Frontier brand nutritional yeast flakes 2 teaspoons gelatin (available from Radiant Life) 1 7/8 cups filtered water 1/4 teaspoon acerola powder Add gelatin to water and heat gently until gelatin is dissolved. Place all ingredients in a very clean glass or stainless steel container and mix well. To serve, pour 6 to 8 ounces into a very clean glass bottle, attach nipple and set in a pan of simmering water. Heat until warm but not hot to the touch, shake bottle well and feed baby. (Never, never heat formula in a microwave oven!) Note: If you are using the Lact-Aid, mix all ingredients well in a blender.) Variation: Goat Milk Formula Although goat milk is rich in fat, it must be used with caution in infant feeding as it lacks folic acid and is low in vitamin B12, both of which are essential to the growth and development of the infant. Inclusion of nutritional yeast to provide folic acid is essential. To compensate for low levels of vitamin B12, add 2 teaspoons frozen organic raw chicken liver, finely grated to the batch of formula. Be sure to begin egg-yolk feeding at four months. Related Articles: Soy Formulas and the Effects of Isoflavones on the Thyroid Experts Dispute JAMA Soy Infant Formula Study Soy Milk Is Safe! That Is What the Formula Industry Says Australian Pediatric Soy Protein Formula Policy How Safe is Soy Infant Formula? Soy Formula Exposes Infants To High Hormone Levels Soy Baby Formula Linked to Behavioral Problems Infant Formula Increase Diabetes Risk Cow's Milk May Lead to Diabetes Milk Increases Risk of Type 1 Diabetes Supplemented Formula Ups Infant Intelligence DHA Improves Vision in Preterm Infants Fish Oil Important For ALL Infants Is DHA The Secret Of Breast Milk's Success? Breastfeeding Linked To Higher IQ Fish or EPA/DHA Supplements May Help Protect Vision The Role of Taurine in Infant Nutrition Return to Table of Contents #176 Jaci Wiley wrote: > Wow , > > That's a fantastic story! It's so inspiring and gives so much hope > to hear the stories of others. Thanks so much for sharing! > > Jaci > > > >> >> >>>In a message dated 11/13/03 11:11:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>>cbroyles5@j... writes: >>> >>> >>> >>>>realmilk.com/where2.html, >>> >>> >>>Thank you. I just heard that in Florida you can have raw milk if > > you own part > >>>of the farm--hence these cow-share programs. Where there's a > > will, there's a > >>>way >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 kefir is very yeasty and not a good idea imo. > I know many can't handle dairy, but a nutritionist just informed me he has seen those with dairy issues be able to handle raw milk. I also understand only 3 states even sell raw milk, but California is one of them. My daughter is dairy sensitive, the IGE blood tests show no problem but her IGE tests show a problem. And most importantly she usually has bad behavior and headaches from it. I tried the raw milk tonight just a little and didn't see any bad reaction. Just wondering if others have tried this? As for raw milk, it appears to be like a wonderful source of enzymes and all sorts of good stuff. > Another thing he raved about was kefir made from the raw milk. Has anyone tried this? > Thanks, > Kari > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 >>>As for raw milk, it appears to be like a wonderful source of enzymes and all sorts of good stuff. Right you are! Kari, how does this compare to giving non-raw milk and Peptizyde for dairy? Just wondering. Haven't tried kefir (probably won't either, so report on it if you try it). . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 I guess I thought of kefir as being similar to cultured milk/yogurt like. Is it, or is it totally different? Yeasty with a serious yeast infection doesn't sound right. Thanks for the tip, Kari Re: Raw Milk kefir is very yeasty and not a good idea imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 , Good yeast, well good probiotic bacteria fights off bad bacteria. Now I know you know that? It is survival of the fittest, if your body is filled with harmful bacteria, you are not going to feel too good. Here is an excellent site to learn more about kefir, there is even kefir for those that want to stay dairy free. Dom's Kefir in-site: http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html Best, Carlton andrew wrote: > kefir is very yeasty and not a good idea imo. > > > >>I know many can't handle dairy, but a nutritionist just informed me > > he has seen those with dairy issues be able to handle raw milk. I > also understand only 3 states even sell raw milk, but California is > one of them. My daughter is dairy sensitive, the IGE blood tests > show no problem but her IGE tests show a problem. And most > importantly she usually has bad behavior and headaches from it. I > tried the raw milk tonight just a little and didn't see any bad > reaction. Just wondering if others have tried this? As for raw > milk, it appears to be like a wonderful source of enzymes and all > sorts of good stuff. > >>Another thing he raved about was kefir made from the raw milk. Has > > anyone tried this? > >>Thanks, >>Kari >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 kefir is a relatively uncontrolled yeast/bacteria biofilm culture(the grains are biofilm) not too dissimilar to what goes on in the gut imo. so the problem is yeast spores and yeast alcohols and that sort of thing, same as fermented veges. yogurt is a bacteria only culture. > I guess I thought of kefir as being similar to cultured milk/yogurt like. Is it, or is it totally different? Yeasty with a serious yeast infection doesn't sound right. > Thanks for the tip, > Kari > Re: Raw Milk > > > kefir is very yeasty and not a good idea imo. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 , It is, however controlled, it is controlled by ph stability. All of the strains that dominate kefir are host friendly. you say 'yogurt is a bacteria only culture' would you send one soldier to fight a war? Best, Carlton andrew wrote: > kefir is a relatively uncontrolled yeast/bacteria biofilm culture(the > grains are biofilm) not too dissimilar to what goes on in the gut imo. > > so the problem is yeast spores and yeast alcohols and that > sort of thing, same as fermented veges. > > yogurt is a bacteria only culture. > > > > >>I guess I thought of kefir as being similar to cultured milk/yogurt > > like. Is it, or is it totally different? Yeasty with a serious > yeast infection doesn't sound right. > >>Thanks for the tip, >>Kari >> Re: Raw Milk >> >> >> kefir is very yeasty and not a good idea imo. >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Hi everyone, Has anyone had any luck introducing raw milk to their child without using the enzymes? I have tried both the raw milk, goat's milk and yogurt with the AFP enzyme, but seems to get really bad stomach problems with it. I'm wondering if because she has been off of dairy for 7/8 years, maybe she could be lactose intolerant too? I'm just guessing here. Any ideas??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Have you tried the milk with an AFP and Zyme Prime (or something with lactase in it)? Are the stomach aches a problem with just the AFP and no dairy? The other thing to try would be diary as part of a meal (if you didn't do that already). . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Hi , My original question was has anyone tried giving yogurt or raw milk without the enzymes? I tried giving the brand suggested on this list (Stonyhill farms???), just a little with some AFP, but would have behavioral meltdowns that looked like they were stomach related. I've been afraid to try some without the enzymes. I gave it to her as part of her snack, with other snack foods, not a heavy meal like dinner. can tolerate pizza with the enzymes, AFP and Zyme without any problems. Re: raw milk Have you tried the milk with an AFP and Zyme Prime (or something with lactase in it)? Are the stomach aches a problem with just the AFP and no dairy? The other thing to try would be diary as part of a meal (if you didn't do that already). . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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