Re: some conclusions on mineral whole food supplements

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> Glutamine is NOT an excitotoxin. GlutamATE is an excitotoxin.

> Glutamine is also used for an enormous amount of purposes besides

> being a neurotransmitter, so I wouldn't conflate research showing

> harms of glutamate with glutamine, even though one can be converted

> into the other.

>

> I think the safety of glutamine does need to be addressed, but given

> that it has pretty serious potential therapaeutic value, I don't think

> it can be dismissed based on research with glutamate and synthetic

> MSG.

There are quite a lot of people who are sensitive to even naturally occursing

glutamates, such as those found in tomatoes, mushrooms, parmesean cheese, and

even meats cooked in the crock-pot. I'm now suddenly finding myself in that

situation since that MSG poisoning I experienced, hence my reaction to the info

it could help leaky gut. I'd be interested in seeing more info on the

glutamine.

KerryAnn

www.cookingNT.com

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On 7/22/06, KerryAnn <krankedyann@...> wrote:

> There are quite a lot of people who are sensitive to even naturally occursing

glutamates, such as those found in tomatoes, mushrooms, parmesean cheese, and

even meats cooked in the crock-pot. I'm now suddenly finding myself in that

situation since that MSG poisoning I experienced, hence my reaction to the info

it could help leaky gut. I'd be interested in seeing more info on the

glutamine.

I've read of that, but glutamate still isn't glutamine. Glutamine is

glutamate with an amino group attached to its side-chain. They are

convertable back and forth in the nervous system, and ammonia balance

and glutamate balance are regulated this way. But I suspect that

since glutaMINE has so many other functions, like maintaining glycogen

stores, tissue repair, and so on, that it would get used first, rather

than converted to glutamate and then sent into the brain.

Do I know that? No. I suspect it. I would need to see research on

glutamine specifically to address the issue.

Chris

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On 7/22/06, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> Since you have more experience with this supplement than most, how

> would you recommend dosage on it. And if you are wary, does that mean

> it has excitotoxin potential?

I wouldn't say I have more experience with it. There are some

practitioners who have their clients use it so they have many people's

experience combined. I was using a teaspoon with each meal (3

meals/day), which is about 15 grams total.

I don't know if it has excitotoxin potential. Idol said that he

felt like it helped his muscle tone or gut or whatever he was using it

for, but he also noticed his appetite regulation suffer, which he

thought could be due to an excitotoxic of the glutamine (or rather,

glutamate derived from the glutamine). I've never noticed that.

Chris

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I've got a good doctor who uses it fairly liberally and I've got

another good one who wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot-pole. Someone

emailed me once about an amino blend. I can't remember why she wanted

to take it but she was pregnant and wanted to be extra cautious about

what she was taking and concerned about the glutamine. What do you

say? No one really knows if she should be taking it. Like I said, I

took aminos for depression and it helped me survive for a while.

Since then, one of my docs has recommended some for weight loss and

muscle building, but I've built muscle well my whole life, I don't see

the need to take them.

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Really, why is this a good sign? People seem to be so turned off by

multi-level marketing.

>

> Eniva appear to be running a multi-level marketing scheme, which is

> always a good sign. They even have a triangle there to explain the

> whole thing.

Here is the link. The forms of the vitamins are at the bottom of the page:

www.eniva.com/products/le_vibe_2.html

>

> Anyway, they don't seem to list the forms of any of the vitamins or

> minerals. Do you have a link to a more detailed list?

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I was using a teaspoon with each meal (3

> meals/day), which is about 15 grams total.

>

My doc recommends 9 g 2X/day, so same ballpark.

[Guest guest]

> With respect to aspartates, he

> said that the amount found in the multivitamin is nowhere near what

> you'd get from food alone, so he didn't think that what is to his

> knowledge conjecture about dietary aspartate would justify the

> increased price he'd have to charge.

>

So we're probably just drowning in a teacup over this. And you know,

the problem with any multi is that one size doesn't fit all, but

that's not to say that the one size isn't doing people any good. I

don't take a multi except on occasion and then it's a mineral formula

plus some specific vitamins, so I guess I never take a multi, but that

wouldn't fit all either.

[Guest guest]

>

> **With all the sources of getting a leaky gut and the abundance of

glutamine I'd think few don't need it. I'd ask if it doesn't show in

your bloodwork. Is it a precursor to another that is needed from

labwork?

>

It's more of a theoretical issue. I've needed just about everything

at one time or another and don't begrudge taking it under those

circumstances. This is just another case of one-size-fits-all when it

may or may not. I'm not questioning the necessity of it as a nutrient.

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On 7/23/06, lisa_mc_connell <mmlisa2@...> wrote:

> > Eniva appear to be running a multi-level marketing scheme, which is

> > always a good sign. They even have a triangle there to explain the

> > whole thing.

>

> Really, why is this a good sign? People seem to be so turned off by

> multi-level marketing.

Sarcasm...

> Here is the link. The forms of the vitamins are at the bottom of the page:

>

> www.eniva.com/products/le_vibe_2.html

Whoops, you're right, it was there all along. I'll let someone who

actually might know something look through the list.

[Guest guest]

also, just heard about Peak Energy Superfoods from someone on another

list.

i like the fact that it is comprised of superfoods, but not sure about

some of the ingredients such as coral calcium and

fructo-oligosaccharides.

thoughts, anyone?

>

> Have you considered Eniva's Vibe, Garden of Life, Thorne, or Metagenics?

> lisa

> >

> > I have not seen any multivitamin yet that I thought was better than

> > his, but between the aspartates and the high beta-carotene, it's

> > enough to keep me from buying it. I also wish he used R-ALA instead

> > of the mixture of R and S, but the fact that he has alpha-lipoic acid

> > in it at all is more than the average mulitvitamin can claim.

> >

> > Chris

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