Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Trudy, that same thing happened to me, so I went to a personal trainer and she suggested, that you do the same exercises that you did with the weights, but concentrate on form, and use NO weight. Perform each exercise, very slowly, always in correct form. Again, start slow with only a few reps, maybe only 1 or 2 sets. She said the trick is no weight and correct form, and soon you can move up to small weights, then more if you want to. Can't hurt, it worked for me. My digoxin would not hold my rate down using regular weight, but did with no weight. I now use all the weight that I want to. I am also, slowly lowering my sotalol, so will be only rate controlled soon. Walter Re: permanent afib I used to love to work out with weights, but even my small 5 pound ones will send me into an irregularity if not right away then (more usually) within the next several hours. I have had to give them up. problems. I tried the weights maybe 10-15 times over the past couple of years and gotten into trouble each time even though I have started very slowly. I really should throw them out so I am not tempted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 > Trudy, that same thing happened to me, so I went to a personal trainer and she suggested, that you do the same exercises that you did with the weights, but concentrate on form, and use NO weight. ...I now use all the weight that I want to. I am also, slowly lowering my sotalol, so will be only rate controlled soon. Thanks for the idea, Walt. I don't remember, are you in afib generally, or in sinus? My fear is starting off multiple ectopics a minute or afib. Previously I have tried starting very slowly, but always with weights, so no weights may work. Mostly I am in sinus eexcept for these every two weeks things of ectopics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Re: /Trudy I am also, slowly lowering my sotalol, so will be only rate controlled soon. Thanks for the idea, Walt. I don't remember, are you in afib generally, or in sinus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: trudyjhagain > I am in sinus, for most of the time, but remaining in sinus is just about giving up to much to stay in sinus. I worked hard to retire and enjoy life, and don't really want to change that dream. Being on a max dose of sotalol, and having to watch what I eat, drink, or do with my time, is just to much. Just to clarify, it's not me that is giving up on sinus, the editing in Walt's message above gave that impression. Trudy (fighting tooth and nail to stay in sinus.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 In a message dated 3/22/2003 4:13:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, trudyjh@... writes: << Trudy (fighting tooth and nail to stay in sinus.) >> Hi, Trudy, I'm with you all the way, fighting tooth and nail to stay in sinus! So far I'm winning the battle, and I think you are, too. If I had to accept permanent afib, I could do it, provided I could continue to experience afib as I was experiencing it a year ago before it stopped. With rate control I had to take my pulse to see if I was in afib because I had almost no symptoms. That's how it is for my older brother in permanent afib. Most of the time he is totally unaware that he is in afib, especially since I am no longer talking about afib to him constantly as my own afib has stopped. He says that life in constant afib, as he knows it, is completely acceptable, but he still applauds and encourages my efforts to stay in sinus. He says afib is not that bad, but sinus is definitely better. Every day he regrets the years of drinking and smoking which he feels were responsible for his permanent afib condition. Therefore, he strongly encourages me to stay away from everything that could trigger afib. Fortunately I have never drunk or smoked, so my triggers are relatively easier to avoid. I hope you and I continue to win this battle because if afib returns, there's no guarantee that it would be a livable condition as my brother's afib is. I would rather not have to deal with the prospect of ablation or surgery, although the successful experiences that so many here have had with ablation and surgery are encouraging. in sinus in Seattle (ten months and one week) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 More power to you, stay the way that you are comfortable with. I went without coffee for over 2 years, or a glass of wine, or Chinese food. Now it does not seem to bother me much at all, HOWEVER, I do not do anything to excess. I get just as much enjoyment out of one cup of coffee, as I use to get out of the 2 plus pots a day that I drank before. I guess that's it all a matter of whats important to you. Living normal is the most important thing to me.. Walt. > > ----- just about giving up to much to stay in sinus. I worked hard to retire and enjoy life, and don't really want to change that dream. Being on a max dose of sotalol, and having to watch what I eat, drink, or do with my time, is just to much. Just to clarify, it's not me that is giving up on sinus, the editing in Walt's message above gave that impression. Trudy (fighting tooth and nail to stay in sinus.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 > In a message dated 3/22/2003 4:13:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, > trudyjh@a... writes: > > << Trudy (fighting tooth and nail to stay in sinus.) > >> > Hi, Trudy, > I'm with you all the way, fighting tooth and nail to stay in sinus! So far > I'm winning the battle, and I think you are, too I just went over my notes for my doc, and discovered that (I hope - a couple of times weren't clear) I have not had afib since April/May of 2002. I have a heck of a problem with ectopics, but not being in afib is something I am going to take great comfort in. I also noticed that I had an excellent three months last summer. I am not sure if this was random, or due to my eating HeartBars, or taking a medication which amplified the effect of my beta blocker. I stopped the HeartBars due to a soy allergy and another problem, but I am going to find out what vitamins they contain and add those in. Also, I am getting more serious about 's/Angus' no-dairy thing, which I have only been dabbling with. Between being a vegetarian, having to eat low-acid, no dairy, low-oxalate, afib restrictions, heaven only knows what I can actually eat :-) Also, that pay for opinion site ( " answers from three doctors " )I was directed to from the Cleveland clinic answer board didn't turn up anything useful about ectopics. The first time I asked the question abut ectopics I got a tantilizing response " Although beta blockers like Toprol are usually effective, there are many other drugs that may be more effective and have easier side effects for you. " I tried again and asked that the question be sent to whichever doc had answered that, but it seems to have just gone to random docs and I got a suggestion for amiodarone (gak), etc. Trudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 In a message dated 3/22/2003 11:35:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, trudyjh@... writes: << I just went over my notes for my doc, and discovered that (I hope - a couple of times weren't clear) I have not had afib since April/May of 2002. I have a heck of a problem with ectopics, but not being in afib is something I am going to take great comfort in. >> Hi, Trudy, You have been in sinus as long or longer than I have! I didn't realize it because you have not been as brash and picayunish as I about counting and posting the days, weeks, and months. Yours is the more sensible approach. I guess I am just so ecstatic and thrilled about being in sinus because I have had afib for so long, longer than you, I think. I will have been in sinus for one year in mid-May, if I continue as I am, but you will be, too! That's great. Maybe you don't have to completely cut the dairy if you are enjoying such good results from partial abstinence from dairy. With an allergy to soy and a lifestyle of vegetarianism, I don't know how you are going to get complete protein without some dairy products. I think eggs would be the only source available unless you figure out how to combine various incomplete vegetable proteins to get all of the essential amino acids. Your food choices will be even more limited than are mine if you completely cut dairy. However, cutting dairy might help your ectopics because my ectopics are much less frequent and intense than they were when I was eating dairy and had ectopics every day. (I think Angus said that he also still experiences ectopics.) Now my ectopics don't lead to afib as they frequently did before the break with dairy. Anyway, it's great that you are enjoying freedom from afib, and I wish you good luck if you decide to try a complete break with dairy. I hope that you are sure that you get enough complete protein, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 , the great news is that both of us, me who was diagnosed in 2000 and you who have had this problem so much longer, have reached states where actual afib is (cross fingers) rare. I can't bring myself to tempt fate by saying " gone. " This should be really encouraging for anyone scared of progression to permanence or otherwise in a bad state now. Note that neither of us has had to resort to an ablation. Yours seems to be due to non- dairy, and mine I think to extreme vigilance about taking measures - no exertion, extra beta blocker, as soon as ectopics kick up. As to protein, I think a combination of rice and beans is a complete protein, but you are right, I have to experiment and see what I can tolerate and then probably I should run the results by a dietician. I hope some day I will be able to write equally encouraging words about these darn ectopics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 In a message dated 3/23/2003 2:01:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, trudyjh@... writes: << Yours seems to be due to non- dairy, and mine I think to extreme vigilance about taking measures - no exertion, extra beta blocker, as soon as ectopics kick up. >> Trudy, It was the elimination of dairy that seemed to make the critical difference, as it did for Angus; but like you I also take other measures. My brother says he notices a big difference in my typical habit of pushing myself to the limit and overdoing. I used to jump into activities on a whim and wind up being exhausted and sick. Now I am more discriminatory about activities and pursuits to which I commit myself. Fortunately physical exertion has no effect on either ectopics or afib for me, and it never has affected my afib except in a positive way. I can push myself in exercise without trouble, but when I try to do two many things and lose sleep from stress or overactivity, the ectopics start. That's my signal to back off, and now I do whereas previously I would just ignore fatigue to push on. Also, I avoid a number of foods besides dairy which cause stomach problems for me, but it was giving up the dairy that made the afib more rare, as you put it. I, too, am apprehensive about saying I have conquered afib for the rest of my life, but for now it is at least in " remission. " :-) in sinus in Seattle (ten months and one week) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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