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On 7/1/06, craicker@... <craicker@...> wrote:

> When I first discovered the healing power of electricity, I read Dr.

> O. Becker's book titled: The Body Electric: electromagnetism and the

foundation

> of life. This is one of the most interesting books I have ever read. It

> should be in the library of every person who is interested in healing his or

her

> own body.

I'm reading this book now. I agree; it's totally fascinating.

> I believe as Edgar Cayce said when asked who and what is God and he replied

> that God was best likened unto the force we know as electricity. Nature is

made

> alive by gravitational forces, magnetic lines of flux from the earth poles,

> and electricity jumping like miniature lightning across our brain synapses and

> flowing along our nerves. Our body salts (electrolytes) if in balance gives us

> health and biological harmony as if each of us is a 'battery' of sorts.

> I believe it is the divine element of electricity that prevents our world

> from being a dull, dead, static state. Radio, television and our computers

verify

> the powerfulness of the electron. Our body cells are each alive with

> electricity.

In my spiritual tradition, Orthodox Christianity, we begin ever

service with a prayer in which we invoke the Holy Spirit who we say is

" everywhere present and fills all things. " In the hymnology of the

church, it is said that not only does all of life derive its *life*

from the Holy Spirit, but that all of existence continually derives

its *existence* from the Holy Spirit.

On the other hand, we would staunchly oppose pantheism, or believing

that all things *are* the Holy Spirit.

But what the hymnology reveals is that God has an intricate connection

to matter, fully permeating it, and continuously acting as the source

of its existence during this continous and perpetual association.

And it is this completely unexplainable forces -- the attraction and

repulsion of charges, nuclear forces, the provision of motion to

electrons and photons, and so on -- that lie at the very foundation of

matter's ability to exist and to exist in distinct forms that result

in meaningful identity and definition.

I wouldn't say that electricity IS God, in the sense that the

electrons are God's creation. But I think we could say that

electricity results from God's permeation of and interaction with his

creation. What is that animative force that gives the electron its

motion? The will of God. Not a will that speaks from far away,

because God is not confined to a locality; but a will that is

intimately integrated into its creation.

To recognize how this concept is distinct from pantheism, it would be

useful to think of our relationship to the sun. If we step outside,

we are bathed in the sun. We are actually directly touching the sun,

in the sense that the waves of light from it are continuous, and are

in fact of the same substance as the sun itself. So through these

extensions of the sun, we are actually in direct contact with it.

Further, the sun changes our very being at a chemical level, which in

turn changes us at a metaphysical level (mood, etc). Yet, though we

touch the rays directly, and though those rays are actually integrated

into our being in the form of increased energy states of the chemicals

within us, we cannot touch the body of the sun itself, nor could we

say that we " are " sun. In fact, if we attempted to touch the sun

itself we would be consumed, as it is, although life-giving, a

consuming fire.

Now there are actually several interesting analogies in this, but the

one for which I brought it up is to say that the *person* or

*hypostasis* of God is like the untouchable body proper of the sun,

whereas the all-permeating energies of God are like the rays of the

sun. The analogy is limited, because God's person is not distinct

from his energies in the physical and localized way that the sun is

distinct from its rays, but I think it demonstrates the purpose to a

certain degree, in the sense that it shows in what ways we can and

cannot communicate with God -- how we can be one with God, yet remain

distinct persons.

I had written on this subject on this list once before:

http://onibasu.com/archives/nn/44671.html?highlight=my%20god%20chris

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I find your thoughts on the subject fascinating. On a more

mundane level, I believe the sun must heal us by more than just giving

us Vitamin D. Each wave length must penetrate a certain level and do

something positive. We are hurting ourselves by not being out in the

sun with minimal clothing on.

I read a book called " The Healing Sun " and am sorry to not recall the

author. In it are tales of healing of TB. It said all hospitals used to

have a courtyard for patients to take the sun. Today's hospitals have

no such access to natural healing.

As an aside, what ethnic background is Masterjohn? You say you are

Orthodox. I was married to a Greek (Paraskis " Americanised " to

Parashis) so have some knowledge of Orthodox from taking my children to

their sunday school. I like the Orthodox religion very much.

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> the sun changes our very being at a chemical level

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On 7/8/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> I find your thoughts on the subject fascinating. On a more

> mundane level, I believe the sun must heal us by more than just giving

> us Vitamin D. Each wave length must penetrate a certain level and do

> something positive. We are hurting ourselves by not being out in the

> sun with minimal clothing on.

Yeah, the sun does lots of things and makes a variety of hormones.

Dr. Ott, who started a light bulb company supposedly after this

discovery, noticed that his arthritis went away when he broke his

glasses on vacation, and came back when he got his glasses fixed, and

then did a crossover experiment in twins in which he found that UV

light that penetrates the eye stimulates calcitonin and decreases

parathyroid hormone, while eye glasses blocked this effect. Most of

what I've read is from the UV-light, though.

I don't know what the other wavelengths might do, but I think we

definitely need them in some kind of balance. When I'm under the

typical types of fluorescent lights, I get very disoriented and

sometimes feel like I'm in a dream or on drugs. I was working in a

school this past year, and I talked to a number of people who said the

same thing. Whenever I had the opportunity I'd pull all the window

shades up and keep the lights off, even if it was a little darker, and

it was much, much better than having the lights on.

> As an aside, what ethnic background is Masterjohn? You say you are

> Orthodox. I was married to a Greek (Paraskis " Americanised " to

> Parashis) so have some knowledge of Orthodox from taking my children to

> their sunday school. I like the Orthodox religion very much.

" Masterjohn " is also Americanized Greek from " Mastroghianis. "

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On 7/9/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> " Masterjohn " is also Americanized Greek from " Mastroghianis. "

Just to clarify, I'm at least Polish, Irish, German, French, Greek and

Native American, and I go to a Romanian church.

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Interesting subject - I cant contribute in terms of the book you mention

because I haven't read it - but I have interestingly and ironically just

learnt about Nicola Teslas work.

Would be better for you to view the DVD than to hear my second hand version

lol so instead Ill just offer you the link to the website

http://www.teslas.us/

All the best

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Interesting! It reminds me of that therapy where people who have

dyslexia and other cognitive problems are finding relief by wearing

certain color tint in their glasses!

Also, lights flashing at certain frequencies are known to stimulate

seizures in people who are prone to them, and disorient many of us

who are not.

>

>

> Yeah, the sun does lots of things and makes a variety of hormones.

> Dr. Ott, who started a light bulb company supposedly after this

> discovery, noticed that his arthritis went away when he broke his

> glasses on vacation, and came back when he got his glasses fixed,

and

> then did a crossover experiment in twins in which he found that UV

> light that penetrates the eye stimulates calcitonin and decreases

> parathyroid hormone, while eye glasses blocked this effect. Most

of

> what I've read is from the UV-light, though.

>

> I don't know what the other wavelengths might do, but I think we

> definitely need them in some kind of balance. When I'm under the

> typical types of fluorescent lights, I get very disoriented and

> sometimes feel like I'm in a dream or on drugs. I was working in a

> school this past year, and I talked to a number of people who said

the

> same thing. Whenever I had the opportunity I'd pull all the window

> shades up and keep the lights off, even if it was a little darker,

and

> it was much, much better than having the lights on.

>

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That's true, I have epilepsy and they tested my epileptic brain activity by

exposing me to flashing lights while my head was covered with probes. I didn't

have a seizure but but my brain did have seizure like activity.

Christy

Interesting! It reminds me of that therapy where people who have

dyslexia and other cognitive problems are finding relief by wearing

certain color tint in their glasses!

Also, lights flashing at certain frequencies are known to stimulate

seizures in people who are prone to them, and disorient many of us

who are not.

>

>

> Yeah, the sun does lots of things and makes a variety of hormones.

> Dr. Ott, who started a light bulb company supposedly after this

> discovery, noticed that his arthritis went away when he broke his

> glasses on vacation, and came back when he got his glasses fixed,

and

> then did a crossover experiment in twins in which he found that UV

> light that penetrates the eye stimulates calcitonin and decreases

> parathyroid hormone, while eye glasses blocked this effect. Most

of

> what I've read is from the UV-light, though.

>

> I don't know what the other wavelengths might do, but I think we

> definitely need them in some kind of balance. When I'm under the

> typical types of fluorescent lights, I get very disoriented and

> sometimes feel like I'm in a dream or on drugs. I was working in a

> school this past year, and I talked to a number of people who said

the

> same thing. Whenever I had the opportunity I'd pull all the window

> shades up and keep the lights off, even if it was a little darker,

and

> it was much, much better than having the lights on.

>

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On 7/9/06, Christy Harrill <merryheartmom@...> wrote:

> That's true, I have epilepsy and they tested my epileptic brain activity by

exposing me to flashing lights while my head was covered with probes. I didn't

have a seizure but but my brain did have seizure like activity.

My mom was married to someone for a while, my step-dad at the time,

who got mugged when they were doing construction work in St. Croix

that the government never paid them for. The muggers had caught them

at a stop light, and didn't believe he only had $38 on him, so they

beat him over the head with a 4x4 29 times and then started

pistol-whipping him in the head. He died twice on the way to the

hospital but got defribulated, turned into a vegetable for a year or

so, then came out of it, but with seizures.

Anyway, he could get seizures from a variety of light-patterns, some

of which were pretty easy to encounter in everyday life, so he wore

sunglasses constantly when he was out and about.

Anyway, to get to the point, when his ex-wife sued him for the child

support he didn't pay while he was completely incapacitated, he wore

his sunglasses to court, and tried explaining to them that it was a

medical necessity, but they found him in contempt of court.

I guess the worse part was when they put him in jail for six months

for not paying the child support, but the judge had just gotten over a

divorce so I guess she had to take it out on someone.

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That's so sad. I have astigmatism as well. I have glasses with anti reflective

coating so that helps both the glare that gives me headaches as well as the

before a seizure feeling. I'm able to drive at night and go to movies.

Christy

On 7/9/06, Christy Harrill <merryheartmom@...> wrote:

> That's true, I have epilepsy and they tested my epileptic brain activity by

exposing me to flashing lights while my head was covered with probes. I didn't

have a seizure but but my brain did have seizure like activity.

My mom was married to someone for a while, my step-dad at the time,

who got mugged when they were doing construction work in St. Croix

that the government never paid them for. The muggers had caught them

at a stop light, and didn't believe he only had $38 on him, so they

beat him over the head with a 4x4 29 times and then started

pistol-whipping him in the head. He died twice on the way to the

hospital but got defribulated, turned into a vegetable for a year or

so, then came out of it, but with seizures.

Anyway, he could get seizures from a variety of light-patterns, some

of which were pretty easy to encounter in everyday life, so he wore

sunglasses constantly when he was out and about.

Anyway, to get to the point, when his ex-wife sued him for the child

support he didn't pay while he was completely incapacitated, he wore

his sunglasses to court, and tried explaining to them that it was a

medical necessity, but they found him in contempt of court.

I guess the worse part was when they put him in jail for six months

for not paying the child support, but the judge had just gotten over a

divorce so I guess she had to take it out on someone.

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Just goes to prove you don't have to be born with a silver spoon to

have brains. Do you know what your mother ate while she grew up to

produce such a clear thinker?

On Jul 9, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Masterjohn wrote:

> My mom was married to someone for a while, my step-dad at the time,

> who got mugged when they were doing construction work in St. Croix

> that the government never paid them for.

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On 7/10/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> Just goes to prove you don't have to be born with a silver spoon to

> have brains. Do you know what your mother ate while she grew up to

> produce such a clear thinker?

Generations of total crap. Thus, all my allergies and crowded teeth

and tendency to cavities and so on. My mom was even *born* with

cavities (or at least they had cavities when they first came in).

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So how do you think your brain escaped? Do you think you could have

been another Einstein on steroids if your ancestors had known about

WAP?

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> On 7/10/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

>> Just goes to prove you don't have to be born with a silver spoon to

>> have brains. Do you know what your mother ate while she grew up to

>> produce such a clear thinker?

>

> Generations of total crap. Thus, all my allergies and crowded teeth

> and tendency to cavities and so on. My mom was even *born* with

> cavities (or at least they had cavities when they first came in).

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On 7/12/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> So how do you think your brain escaped? Do you think you could have

> been another Einstein on steroids if your ancestors had known about

> WAP?

I don't know enough about development to comment on this, except to

say that it seems that people with high IQ's disproportionately need

glasses and have allergies. So maybe it's some type of unbalanced

constitution. I really don't know.

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On 7/12/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> On 7/12/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> > So how do you think your brain escaped? Do you think you could have

> > been another Einstein on steroids if your ancestors had known about

> > WAP?

>

> I don't know enough about development to comment on this, except to

> say that it seems that people with high IQ's disproportionately need

> glasses and have allergies. So maybe it's some type of unbalanced

> constitution. I really don't know.

Oh, but thanks for the compliment. :-)

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> > I don't know enough about development to comment on this, except to

> say that it seems that people with high IQ's disproportionately need

> glasses and have allergies. So maybe it's some type of unbalanced

> constitution. I really don't know.

I think that I read something to that effect in a book on homeopathy.

That more intelligent people tend to not have as good of

constitutions. Bertie

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On 7/14/06, Bertie <bjvarmuzek@...> wrote:

> I think that I read something to that effect in a book on homeopathy.

> That more intelligent people tend to not have as good of

> constitutions. Bertie

I should add another point, which is that we're using a rather biased

definition of " intelligence. " I have a really high IQ as measured by

the tests, and I think this is measuring something real, and

predisposes me to a variety of things like OCD that I have in fact had

problems with in the past. I don't think it would be right, however,

to say that " intelligence " is limited to exactly what the IQ test

tests for.

Many people with really high IQs are also deficient in more everyday

common sense as well. So in some sense it's an imbalance of

intelligence, which has its benefits and drawbacks.

But I don't think it's a zero-sum game. When I was a vegetarian, all

of my mental problems, some or most of which are disproportionate

among high-IQ people got much worse, and got completely reversed when

I started eating a WAPF diet. But that didn't cause a decrease in my

analytical capabilities. If anything, it increased my mental focus

and my analytical capabilities, although it's difficult to control for

experience, especially since I'm young.

So I really don't know what the true relationship is. I think it's

multi-faceted and difficult to decipher.

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I dunno about this being genetic... Perhaps they simply spend too much time

inside studying books/computers within 3' of their face and never seeing the

light of day...

-Lana

> I think that I read something to that effect in a book on homeopathy.

> That more intelligent people tend to not have as good of

> constitutions. Bertie

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Hi,

I have noticed that that people with verbal/analytical reasoning skills

and ability to synthesize knowledge-the kind we consider " smart " in our

society- tend to concentrate their energy/efforts around their heads

and sometimes become disconnected from or forget to care for their

bodies. Even though they know intellectually what to do, it's easier to

stay in the sphere of knowledge or thought.

Theory is that these people are nearsighted because they especially

spend disproportionate amts of time with books or at the computer. I'm

told the human eye is meant to be used to scan the horizon and

environment, not to stay fixed on a single close point, and this makes

sense to me. My eyesight went from presumably normal to 20/300 after I

started school.

One doctor says that he was comparing rates of nearsightedness in

native people and the figure is small, something like 2% and the rate

of nearsightedness in Western babies/young children is said to be

similar... but it jumps up to a huge percentage in adulthood, like 80%

of Western adults nearsighted?

The bad food and improper usage theory advanced by a couple doctors

flies for me. I wonder if nearsightedness can be reversed with diet?

I've given up my glasses and have had improvement in my eyes with

better nutrition and other means.

On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Masterjohn wrote:

> On 7/14/06, Bertie <bjvarmuzek@...> wrote:

>

> > I think that I read something to that effect in a book on

> homeopathy.

> > That more intelligent people tend to not have as good of

> > constitutions. Bertie

>

> I should add another point, which is that we're using a rather biased

> definition of " intelligence. " I have a really high IQ as measured by

> the tests, and I think this is measuring something real, and

> predisposes me to a variety of things like OCD that I have in fact had

> problems with in the past. I don't think it would be right, however,

> to say that " intelligence " is limited to exactly what the IQ test

> tests for.

>

> Many people with really high IQs are also deficient in more everyday

> common sense as well. So in some sense it's an imbalance of

> intelligence, which has its benefits and drawbacks.

>

> But I don't think it's a zero-sum game. When I was a vegetarian, all

> of my mental problems, some or most of which are disproportionate

> among high-IQ people got much worse, and got completely reversed when

> I started eating a WAPF diet. But that didn't cause a decrease in my

> analytical capabilities. If anything, it increased my mental focus

> and my analytical capabilities, although it's difficult to control for

> experience, especially since I'm young.

>

> So I really don't know what the true relationship is. I think it's

> multi-faceted and difficult to decipher.

>

> Chris

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Or is it that the people with less health are more likely to sit and

read books and become interested in cerebral pursuits while those with

glowing good health are busy outdoors being active?

--- In , " Bertie " <bjvarmuzek@...>

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> > > I don't know enough about development to comment on this, except

to

> > say that it seems that people with high IQ's disproportionately

need

> > glasses and have allergies. So maybe it's some type of unbalanced

> > constitution. I really don't know.

>

> I think that I read something to that effect in a book on

homeopathy.

> That more intelligent people tend to not have as good of

> constitutions. Bertie

>

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I remember reading that when children start consuming large amounts

of grain foods (in our culture, probably refined and adulterated

grain foods!), then that is strongly associated with the development

of nearsightedness.

IIRC, I got my first pair of glasses when I was around 9 yo. So far,

my daughter has avoided them (she is 10 now and an avid reader and

relentless artist).

I do remember eating lots of sandwiches (usually PB & J) when I was

growing up. We usually had boxed cereal (or sometimes cooked rice or

oatmeal) for breakfast.

We had plenty of grain foods. All of us wore glasses, but none of us

got them at the tender age of 3 or 4, which I am seeing more and more

in the families at church.

I think in my family we (kids) got glasses when we started public

school. There was a lot of starch in those meals. Nowadays, there

can be scary amounts of soy in children's meals and snacks.

I think that when children are put into daycare/public school, then

their diet tends to deteriorate. I try to hide my impulse to cringe

when they pull out those boxes of cheap cookies and junky crackers

for the children's snacks. Not to mention those silly juice boxes

and such...just sugar water, IMHO. It makes me want to bring in my

CLO and line them all up for a dose!

--- In , <diana_obscura@...>

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> One doctor says that he was comparing rates of nearsightedness in

> native people and the figure is small, something like 2% and the

rate

> of nearsightedness in Western babies/young children is said to be

> similar... but it jumps up to a huge percentage in adulthood, like

80%

> of Western adults nearsighted?

>

> The bad food and improper usage theory advanced by a couple doctors

> flies for me. I wonder if nearsightedness can be reversed with diet?

>

> I've given up my glasses and have had improvement in my eyes with

> better nutrition and other means.

>

>

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But I don't think it's a zero-sum game. When I was a vegetarian, all

> of my mental problems, some or most of which are disproportionate

> among high-IQ people got much worse, and got completely reversed when

> I started eating a WAPF diet. But that didn't cause a decrease in my

> analytical capabilities. If anything, it increased my mental focus

> and my analytical capabilities, although it's difficult to control for

> experience, especially since I'm young.

>

> So I really don't know what the true relationship is. I think it's

> multi-faceted and difficult to decipher.

I would think that greater intelligence would require more brain supporting

nutrients. Who says the afflictions of those with high-IQs arn't

nutritional deficiencies? My mind got far clearer when I started to get

adequate amounts of GLA, DHA and EPA thanks to Borage and Cod Liver Oils.

-Lana

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Lana,

> I would think that greater intelligence would require more brain supporting

> nutrients. Who says the afflictions of those with high-IQs arn't

> nutritional deficiencies? My mind got far clearer when I started to get

> adequate amounts of GLA, DHA and EPA thanks to Borage and Cod Liver Oils.

That's a super-excellent point that I totally overlooked. I

absolutely agree. We were having a discussion on this list a while

back in which we all seemed to agree it was a reasonable hypothesis

that more intelligent babies might have more problems with mercury

because their BBB is more permeable due to their brain's higher

requirements for nutrients.

Here's another thought: since allergies upregulate zonulin, which

increases the permeability of the BBB, perhaps allergies could

contribute to increased nutrient flow to the brain at some critical

point that upregulates a certain process in the brain making the brain

predisposed to higher intelligence and also high nutrient

requirements, and that thereafter, a low-nutrient diet could fail to

supply those nutrients and result in brain deficiencies, despite the

basic process of laying the groundwork for high intelligence being

irreversible. Thus in the absence of necessary modulating nutrients,

that intelligence is diverted into obsessive analysis of irrelevant

patterns or risks and dangers and so on.

This is not meant to replace the idea that the higher intelligence

could come first, lead to brian hogging nutrients, and then lead to

the rest of the body not having enough nutrients to suppress

allergies. They could be complimentary, both happen alternatively or

at the same time perhaps.

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Just to throw this in there, my mother came from an extremely

dysfunctional family (there was no drug/alcohol abuse so it was

either mental illness or severe food sensitivity). She and one of

her sisters were unusually bright - Mom had a photographic memory

where she could picture pages of a book clearly enough to go back

and read the words in her head and her sister was so good at

spelling when she was very young (I'm thinking two) that she was on

TV in a commercial. Being abused and poorly educated they didn't

get to go too far in life, but I think they definately had superior

intelligence and potential.

>

> Lana,

>

> > I would think that greater intelligence would require more brain

supporting

> > nutrients. Who says the afflictions of those with high-IQs arn't

> > nutritional deficiencies? My mind got far clearer when I

started to get

> > adequate amounts of GLA, DHA and EPA thanks to Borage and Cod

Liver Oils.

>

> That's a super-excellent point that I totally overlooked. I

> absolutely agree. We were having a discussion on this list a while

> back in which we all seemed to agree it was a reasonable hypothesis

> that more intelligent babies might have more problems with mercury

> because their BBB is more permeable due to their brain's higher

> requirements for nutrients.

>

> Here's another thought: since allergies upregulate zonulin, which

> increases the permeability of the BBB, perhaps allergies could

> contribute to increased nutrient flow to the brain at some critical

> point that upregulates a certain process in the brain making the

brain

> predisposed to higher intelligence and also high nutrient

> requirements, and that thereafter, a low-nutrient diet could fail

to

> supply those nutrients and result in brain deficiencies, despite

the

> basic process of laying the groundwork for high intelligence being

> irreversible. Thus in the absence of necessary modulating

nutrients,

> that intelligence is diverted into obsessive analysis of irrelevant

> patterns or risks and dangers and so on.

>

> This is not meant to replace the idea that the higher intelligence

> could come first, lead to brian hogging nutrients, and then lead to

> the rest of the body not having enough nutrients to suppress

> allergies. They could be complimentary, both happen alternatively

or

> at the same time perhaps.

>

> Chris

>

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