Re: stomach bacteria--would what you have done?

[Guest guest]

I have no sage advice but just want to tell you not to feel bad about taking

the AB. I think if I had uncontrollable diarrhea dribbling out of me, I too

would have caved.

I'm sure you would have gotten better eventually, but not many of us have

the luxury of resting and being within 3 feet of the toilet all day for god

knows how many days it would take to get better!

" Mother's milk and mother's arms have always been available, patiently

waiting for the passing of man's foolhardy arrogance, which tried to convince us

that his inventions were superior to nature. "

Tine Thevenin

Baby boys are the only group in society having medically unnecessary

surgery without their consent.

[Guest guest]

I don't think you should feel bad because you took anti biotics in this

situation. There are times when they are a god send. I might have tried

some other things like garlic or olive leaf extract or even propolis, but if

it was as bad as you are saying I probably would have done the same thing.

No one says you should never take antiobiotics just not the way they are

doled out by doctors for things that don't need them. In this case it might

have been necessary.

Just my 2 cents.

Allyn

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[mailto: ] On Behalf Of sarapetsch

Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:55 PM

Subject: stomach bacteria--would what you have done?

Hi,

I have a question concerning an epic intestinal situation I went

through last week, to see if someone would have done things

different, and if so, what would you have done?

I went swimming in a lake where I swallowed lots of water, and by

that evening I had diahhrea, chills, fever, and body aches. I

thought, well, no big deal, I drink kombucha, I take EM microbes, I

eat homemade saurkraut and kefir, I'll lick this in no time! Not.

Four days later I was still very sick, and the diahhrea was so bad

that I could not control it at all, it would just come running out

of me and there was nothing I could do but soil all my clothes! I

was so weak and dehydrated by this time I could barely stand up.

So, I went to the doctor and got the dreaded anti-biotics. He

thought I picked up a human caused bacteria like e-coli in the

lake. I took the stupid anti-biotics and by the next morning I was

a new person.

I am very disappointed that my diet and health regimin didn't

protect me from this, AND it didn't help me get over it even though

I stepped up the probiotics, broth, etc. once I GOT sick. What

would you guys have done differently, to hopefully avoid the anti-

biotics? Or would you have given in like I did? Any comments would

be appreciated. Thanks!

Sara

[Guest guest]

I agree. S. boulardii might have helped, but you pretty much have

to mail-order it so it would have taken a week to arrive if you

didn't have some around (and it only lasts 3 months in

the 'fridge). Kefir is credited with being able to lick that kind

of stuff, but I'd guess it would have to be homemade and fresh. Raw

milk is also supposed to be able to, but is that straight from the

cow, like does it lose potency when it's been in the 'fridg a week?

I tried making WAP changes in my son's diet when the dentist said he

had 5 cavities, but it doesn't seem like it's changing his teeth, so

we're getting them filled next Friday.

It's nice to have MD's to fall back on when our alternative methods

don't work!

>

> I don't think you should feel bad because you took anti biotics in

this

> situation. There are times when they are a god send. I might

have tried

> some other things like garlic or olive leaf extract or even

propolis, but if

> it was as bad as you are saying I probably would have done the

same thing.

> No one says you should never take antiobiotics just not the way

they are

> doled out by doctors for things that don't need them. In this

case it might

> have been necessary.

>

> Just my 2 cents.

>

> Allyn

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of sarapetsch

> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:55 PM

>

> Subject: stomach bacteria--would what you have done?

>

>

>

> Hi,

> I have a question concerning an epic intestinal situation I went

> through last week, to see if someone would have done things

> different, and if so, what would you have done?

>

> I went swimming in a lake where I swallowed lots of water, and by

> that evening I had diahhrea, chills, fever, and body aches. I

> thought, well, no big deal, I drink kombucha, I take EM microbes,

I

> eat homemade saurkraut and kefir, I'll lick this in no time! Not.

> Four days later I was still very sick, and the diahhrea was so bad

> that I could not control it at all, it would just come running out

> of me and there was nothing I could do but soil all my clothes! I

> was so weak and dehydrated by this time I could barely stand up.

> So, I went to the doctor and got the dreaded anti-biotics. He

> thought I picked up a human caused bacteria like e-coli in the

> lake. I took the stupid anti-biotics and by the next morning I was

> a new person.

>

> I am very disappointed that my diet and health regimin didn't

> protect me from this, AND it didn't help me get over it even

though

> I stepped up the probiotics, broth, etc. once I GOT sick. What

> would you guys have done differently, to hopefully avoid the anti-

> biotics? Or would you have given in like I did? Any comments would

> be appreciated. Thanks!

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

you know I almost said kefir because that is what I take anytime I have some

stomach upset but thought this was maybe a little beyond kefir's ability but I

probably should not have felt that way. Kefir is fabulous stuff and maybe it

could have helped. I guess we won't know until the next time (hopefully there

won't be).

allyn

stomach bacteria--would what you have done?

>

>

>

> Hi,

> I have a question concerning an epic intestinal situation I went

> through last week, to see if someone would have done things

> different, and if so, what would you have done?

>

> I went swimming in a lake where I swallowed lots of water, and by

> that evening I had diahhrea, chills, fever, and body aches. I

> thought, well, no big deal, I drink kombucha, I take EM microbes,

I

> eat homemade saurkraut and kefir, I'll lick this in no time! Not.

> Four days later I was still very sick, and the diahhrea was so bad

> that I could not control it at all, it would just come running out

> of me and there was nothing I could do but soil all my clothes! I

> was so weak and dehydrated by this time I could barely stand up.

> So, I went to the doctor and got the dreaded anti-biotics. He

> thought I picked up a human caused bacteria like e-coli in the

> lake. I took the stupid anti-biotics and by the next morning I was

> a new person.

>

> I am very disappointed that my diet and health regimin didn't

> protect me from this, AND it didn't help me get over it even

though

> I stepped up the probiotics, broth, etc. once I GOT sick. What

> would you guys have done differently, to hopefully avoid the anti-

> biotics? Or would you have given in like I did? Any comments would

> be appreciated. Thanks!

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sara,

> I am very disappointed that my diet and health regimin didn't

> protect me from this, AND it didn't help me get over it even though

> I stepped up the probiotics, broth, etc. once I GOT sick. What

> would you guys have done differently, to hopefully avoid the anti-

> biotics? Or would you have given in like I did? Any comments would

> be appreciated. Thanks!

I don't think you have any reason to be disappointed. That said, I

would have done two things very differently:

First, and most important, I would have started an immediate dosing of

activated charcoal and bentonite. I have some of Dr. Shulze's

intestinal formula #2, which has those and some other things in it,

and works very well for any sign of a stomach bug. Everyone should

keep edible charcoal on hand for cases of emergencies, and should use

high doses in case of food poisoning until symptoms are gone.

Second, I would have used 6-10 tablespoons of coconut oil per day,

possibly more, for several days. The fats break down into

medium-chain fatty acids and monoglycerides before they reach the

stomach. These are capable of killing all lipid-encoded viruses and a

very wide range of bacteria, protozoa, and fungi, including the common

stomach infection H. pylori. This is the reason milk was effective

against ulcers, and coconut oil is far higher in these fatty acids.

Whereas H. pylori is rapidly gaining resistance to antibiotics,

preliminary studies indicate that it is not capable of gaining

resistance to medium-chain fatty acids and their monoglycerides.

Now that I think of it, I would have used a third choice of treatment:

raw garlic and ginger juice combination.

The primary flaw in your treatment protocol was that you only had

probiotics and nothing to KILL the acute infection you suffered.

Kefir and kombucha may help maintain healthy intestinal flora, but

they are not aggressive enough to battle an acute infection. When you

are at war, you don't bring out the security guards, you bring out the

army.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

He

> thought I picked up a human caused bacteria like e-coli in the

> lake. I took the stupid anti-biotics and by the next morning I was

> a new person.

------->I was told that if you take antibiotics when you actually have

e-coli that the die off will cause you to get sicker because it's the toxins

of the dead bug that makes you sick. So, with e-coli it's better to let it

die out slower/more naturally.

Therefore, I would think you didn't have e-coli. However, I don't know if

this is true and would love to hear what others think. ct

[Guest guest]

,

Sometimes I mix coconut oil with dehydrated coconut that I keep in the

freezer. The mixture seizes up right away from the coldness of the coconut and

it's

like a coconut candy. Add a bit of maple sypup or honey and that might entice

your child.

Danae

" Mother's milk and mother's arms have always been available, patiently

waiting for the passing of man's foolhardy arrogance, which tried to convince us

that his inventions were superior to nature. "

Tine Thevenin

Baby boys are the only group in society having medically unnecessary

surgery without their consent.

[Guest guest]

How would you go about taking all that coconut oil, especially if you

are fighting neausea? Also, any ideas for administering it to small

child, say, ages 2-5?

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[Guest guest]

On 6/30/06, emilylfinch99 <emilylfinch@...> wrote:

> How would you go about taking all that coconut oil, especially if you

> are fighting neausea? Also, any ideas for administering it to small

> child, say, ages 2-5?

If you have digestive upset, you may have to modify the dose

accordingly. The easiest way to take it is to drink it dissolved in

warm water or tea. For a kid, maybe dissolve it in warmed orange

juice. I don't have experience feeding kids though.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Hey, thanks for everyone's comments...it's nice to know I wasn't a

complete weenie...

thanks also for your comments on what you would have done. I

was (and am) taking about 3 tablespoonfulls of coconut oil at the time

this all happened, but I guess it probably wasn't enough to kill the

bad guys. Also I feel REALLY stupid because I do have some of Dr.

Schultz's intestinal formula on hand, I just completely forgot about

it. When you said garlic and ginger juice, you mean you would have

juiced them, or could you just eat alot of them?

On a another note, I will be sending a check for my subscription to

your cholesterol newsletter. Thanks for all you do!

Sara

[Guest guest]

Sara,

> thanks also for your comments on what you would have done. I

> was (and am) taking about 3 tablespoonfulls of coconut oil at the time

> this all happened, but I guess it probably wasn't enough to kill the

> bad guys.

3 tablespoons is a good maintenance dose, but higher is probably

needed to fight of an acute infection. It's difficult to tell for

dosing, because a lot of what we know -- at least from what I've seen

-- is in vitro evidence using the free fatty acids or monoglycerides

derived from coconut oil. So it might be difficult to say what

concentration of those you are getting when you eat coconut oil in any

given part of your gastrointestinal system.

In one of Bruce Fife's books, he writes about some of the tropical

islanders, where they eat coconut with every meal, but they also use

it in all their medicines. Coconut is a regular part of the diet, but

if they get sick, in some cases, they might drink it by the glass, for

example. (Which would probably give you diarrhea!)

But I really think the charcoal would be the big deal. If I were to

choose one thing out of what I wrote, it would be the charcoal, or

better, the IF #2. But to use all three would probably be all the

better.

> Also I feel REALLY stupid because I do have some of Dr.

> Schultz's intestinal formula on hand, I just completely forgot about

> it.

Hopefully there won't be a next time, but if there is, take this

immediately, and use repeated doses afterwards. I'd take the second

one 20 minutes to a half hour later, and then maybe keep using it

every hour or so until you feel you're getting better. I really think

if you hit it at the beginning that this might kill it off very

quickly.

>When you said garlic and ginger juice, you mean you would have

> juiced them, or could you just eat alot of them?

I would juice them, but you could also eat them, which is harder to

get down but much easier to prepare. You could also make a tea out of

fresh ginger, which seems to help a lot for stomach bugs.

> On a another note, I will be sending a check for my subscription to

> your cholesterol newsletter. Thanks for all you do!

Thanks!

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Very interesting, I'm wondering if the bacteriacidal effects of the

coconut oil are what is helping those you and Sally know who are

recovering from lyme on this diet. I came across some interesting

data that indicate that first of all, all borrelias (there are about

16, and lyme is one of them) affect the gastrointestinal tract.

Cross-referencing that with the work of Dr. Houston and friends on

the enzyme cure for autism and the neurological effects of

dysbiosis, one begins to wonder if most of the symptoms of lyme are

from the dysbiosis it causes and resulting nutritional

deficiencies.

The salt/c protocol, among other things, does correct the dysbiosis

because the salt corrects the low HCL many with dysbiosis/lyme

suffer from and the vitamin C jumpstarts the production of enzymes

to start breaking down the defenses of the lyme and other gram-

negative beings in the gut, so the immune system can mobilize

against them.

Also, the lyme in many cases recurs after antibiotic treatment, and

it seems an overlooked source of it is in the gut, as is seen from

the following abstract:

" Borrelia burgdorferi Persists in the Gastrointestinal Tract of

Children and Adolescents with Lyme Disease, "

Fried, MD; Dorothy Pietrucha, MD, et al.

Journal of Spirochetal and Tick-borne Diseases Spring/Summer 2002

ABSTRACT This study documents the persistence of B burgdorferi DNA

in the gastrointestinal tract of pediatric patients who have already

been treated with antibiotics for Lyme disease. Ten consecutive

patients between the ages of 9 and 13 years presented with an

erythema migrans (EM) rash, a positive western blot for Lyme

disease, chronic abdominal pain, heartburn, or bright red blood in

the stool. Endoscopy assessed the gastrointestinal (GI) mucosa for

inflammation and biopsies were examined for B burgdorferi using a

Dieterle stain and with polymerase chain reaction (PCR) to the outer

surface protein A (Osp A) of B burgdorferi. As controls, 10

consecutive patients with chronic abdominal pain were also tested by

GI biopsies and with PCR. B burgdorferi persisted in the GI tract in

all 10 patients with Lyme disease as shown by Dieterle stain of

biopsies and with PCR. None of the control subjects' biopsies were

PCR positive for B. burgdorferi. Chronic gastritis, chronic

duodenitis, and chronic colitis were found in Lyme disease patients

and associated with the detection of B burgdorferi DNA in the GI

tract despite prior antibiotic treatments. We have concluded that

the DNA of B burgdorferi persisted in patients with Lyme disease

even after antibiotic treatment.

Regards,

Renate

>

> Sara,

>

> > thanks also for your comments on what you would have

done. I

> > was (and am) taking about 3 tablespoonfulls of coconut oil at

the time

> > this all happened, but I guess it probably wasn't enough to kill

the

> > bad guys.

>

> 3 tablespoons is a good maintenance dose, but higher is probably

> needed to fight of an acute infection. It's difficult to tell for

> dosing, because a lot of what we know -- at least from what I've

seen

> -- is in vitro evidence using the free fatty acids or

monoglycerides

> derived from coconut oil. So it might be difficult to say what

> concentration of those you are getting when you eat coconut oil in

any

> given part of your gastrointestinal system.

>