Re: getting mercury amalgams replaced while breastfeeding

[Guest guest]

If it is already broken, it is already leaking. Every time you chew on it

you are releasing more mercury. (And chewing on the other side too much

could be breaking the fillings on that side, if you have any.) I don't

think you could do much more harm than it already is doing, considering that

and that you plan on using an IOAMT dentist with all the appropriate

protocols. How are your milk stores? You could pump some extra before you

have the procedure done and use that for a few days afterwards to avoid the

spike from the removal...

IMHO, you should skip on TTC until all the mercury is out of your mouth. I

thought I had just one malfuntioning filling, but when I got that one out

another started to hurt, and then that one came out and you guessed it, yet

another was an issue. It didn't stop until I had all the mercury removed

from my mouth (6 fillings total - about 3 thermometers worth). FYI, my hair

test came back off the charts for mercury (and my oldest filling was a mere

11 years old - the youngest barely 3 years). Get it all out, do a few

rounds of chelation (check for details on that), and then

consider TTC.

-Lana

Anyhow, I'm really having trouble deciding whether I should go through

> with this. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I am going to use an

> IAOMT (sp?) dentist who uses oxygen, mouth dam, etc during removal to

> minimize exposure to the mercury.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> If it is already broken, it is already leaking. Every time you chew

on it

> you are releasing more mercury. (And chewing on the other side too much

> could be breaking the fillings on that side, if you have any.) I don't

> think you could do much more harm than it already is doing,

considering that

> and that you plan on using an IOAMT dentist with all the appropriate

> protocols. How are your milk stores? You could pump some extra

before you

> have the procedure done and use that for a few days afterwards to

avoid the

> spike from the removal...

My understanding is that your body doesn't really start to dump the

mercury after amalgam removal until a few months later, so giving DD

pumped milk for a few days wouldn't help.

>

> IMHO, you should skip on TTC until all the mercury is out of your

mouth. I

> thought I had just one malfuntioning filling, but when I got that

one out

> another started to hurt, and then that one came out and you guessed

it, yet

> another was an issue. It didn't stop until I had all the mercury

removed

> from my mouth (6 fillings total - about 3 thermometers worth). FYI,

my hair

> test came back off the charts for mercury (and my oldest filling was

a mere

> 11 years old - the youngest barely 3 years). Get it all out, do a few

> rounds of chelation (check for details on that), and then

> consider TTC.

They recommend waiting a year after getting amalgams removed before

TTC, and I'm not willing to wait that long. Plus without any evidence

that the mercury in my mouth is actually causing problems (we haven't

done and probably won't do hair tests) I wouldn't want to do any

chelating. Some people do have a lot of problems from mercury

fillings but some people don't seem to have any problems at all, and

don't see any changes after having them removed, so it's kind of a

guess at which way it would go.

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that your body doesn't really start to dump the

mercury after amalgam removal until a few months later, so giving DD

pumped milk for a few days wouldn't help.

The body starts to dump what is in the blood immediately... it takes about 6

months of that and no mercury fillings for the mercury to start pulling out

of your organs and will make you sick at the 6 month mark if you haven't

chelated. If chelation is begun immediately after removal, then the 6 month

fallout can be avoided and you can get rid of the mercury inside a year or

two. If chelation is not started, it can take well over 20 years for the

body to eliminate the mercury naturally once fillings have been removed.

They recommend waiting a year after getting amalgams removed before

TTC, and I'm not willing to wait that long.

Conceiving with amalgams in your mouth will cause the mercury in your blood

to concentrate into the fetus, thanks to how fetal hemoglobin gives the

fetus preference over minerals.

My mother grew up near a military installation and is still very sick from

it (they have since disclosed severe arsenic contamination of that site,

among many other things - have I mentioned I'm also arsenic toxic?) She got

markedly better after delivery and I was on the BRAT diet for the first few

years of my life, sickly for years and then I took a dive for the worse when

my first amalgams went in... 11 years after the first amalgam went in, I'm

addressing the issues and I'm getting closer to normal than I've ever been.

It appears I got the brunt of her toxicity, as my little brother has fared a

bit better than I (he also got less mercury fillings as a kid) - but he

still has his share of issues.

Plus without any evidence

that the mercury in my mouth is actually causing problems (we haven't

done and probably won't do hair tests) I wouldn't want to do any

chelating.

This doesn't make sense to me... with all the food intolerances you're

talking about your DD having, at the very least a hair test would be in

order... They're pretty cheap compared to the medical bills I had for the

last 11 years.

A lot of people are wary about Rx chelators and I can understand that, but

it is important to note that you don't have to use drugs to chelate.

Chelation can be done with the natural compound ALA, which is made by the

body in small amounts from glycine (the wonderful cure-all amino acid in

stock) and plays an important part in cellular metabolism anyway.

Some people do have a lot of problems from mercury

fillings but some people don't seem to have any problems at all, and

don't see any changes after having them removed, so it's kind of a

guess at which way it would go.

A lot of people don't see changes after they are removed because they don't

chelate. It can take upwards of 20-some years to get all the mercury out of

your organs naturally, even longer if you're a slow excreter.

If you're going to go ahead and TTC with the mercury, you need to take steps

to minimize its redistribution: don't eat excessive amounts of sulfur foods

in a single meal (because they will pull mercury from your organs into your

blood) and make sure you're getting adequate selenium (which naturally binds

with mercury). Even if you're not going to chelate, checking with

for other ideas on how to keep your mercury to yourself would

be a good idea.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

> Conceiving with amalgams in your mouth will cause the mercury in

your blood

> to concentrate into the fetus, thanks to how fetal hemoglobin gives the

> fetus preference over minerals.

Yes, I know, but from what I've read, the first baby is the one who

pulls the most metal out of mom, so theoretically my subsequent

children should have less mercury in them. Also, I think my

nutritional status is probably better now than it was when DD was

conceived, so that should also help. One thing I've learned, though,

is that there are no guarantees that eating a traditional diet, or

doing everything " right " will avoid problems. I guess at this point I

am willing to take my chances as there's no guarantee that even if I

had all my fillings removed, and chelated, before TTC, my next baby

would be any healthier than DD.

>

> This doesn't make sense to me... with all the food intolerances you're

> talking about your DD having, at the very least a hair test would be in

> order... They're pretty cheap compared to the medical bills I had

for the

> last 11 years.

I highly doubt I could convince DH to go for a hair test, and I know I

would never be able to convince him that either DD or I needed to

chelate, so I'm not sure there'd be any point in testing just to get

some knowledge that I would be able to do anything about, anyway. If

we had major health problems or DD showed signs of being on the autism

spectrum, that might be a different story.

>

> If you're going to go ahead and TTC with the mercury, you need to

take steps

> to minimize its redistribution: don't eat excessive amounts of

sulfur foods

> in a single meal (because they will pull mercury from your organs

into your

> blood) and make sure you're getting adequate selenium (which

naturally binds

> with mercury). Even if you're not going to chelate, checking with

> for other ideas on how to keep your mercury to

yourself would

> be a good idea.

What would constitute excessive amounts of sulfur foods in a meal?

That is one good thing about this area--it is a selenium-rich area of

the US and I do buy local meat, and veggies when available...not that

supplementation wouldn't be a good precaution, but I have always lived

in selenium-rich areas.

[Guest guest]

I highly doubt I could convince DH to go for a hair test, and I know I

would never be able to convince him that either DD or I needed to

chelate, so I'm not sure there'd be any point in testing just to get

some knowledge that I would be able to do anything about, anyway. If

we had major health problems or DD showed signs of being on the autism

spectrum, that might be a different story.

Ahhhh! I forgot about the whole hubby thing. I apologize for being such a

dunce!

What would constitute excessive amounts of sulfur foods in a meal?

These are the amounts of sulfur foods (per meal) that pull enough mercury

for me to get symptoms: 3 egg yolks, 1/4-1/2 a head of cabbage, 8-10 petite

brussel sprouts or 1-2 medium sauteed onions. Garlic does it too, but I

don't know what amount does it (I tend to eat a half head of roasted garlic

at once and that is definately too much).

-Lana

[Guest guest]

--- Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> These are the amounts of sulfur foods (per meal) that pull enough

> mercury for me to get symptoms: 3 egg yolks, 1/4-1/2 a head of cabbage,

> 8-10 petite brussel sprouts or 1-2 medium sauteed onions. Garlic does

> it too, but I don't know what amount does it (I tend to eat a half head

> of roasted garlic at once and that is definitely too much).

Lana,

What symptoms do you get with sulfur in food pulling mercury?

Do you get similar symptoms with cilantro or chlorella?

Also, how can you tell the difference between sulfur pulling out

mercury versus too much salicylates?

[Guest guest]

> > These are the amounts of sulfur foods (per meal) that pull enough

> > mercury for me to get symptoms: 3 egg yolks, 1/4-1/2 a head of

cabbage,

> > 8-10 petite brussel sprouts or 1-2 medium sauteed onions. Garlic

does

> > it too, but I don't know what amount does it (I tend to eat a half

head

> > of roasted garlic at once and that is definitely too much).

>

> Lana,

>

> What symptoms do you get with sulfur in food pulling mercury?

> Do you get similar symptoms with cilantro or chlorella?

>

> Also, how can you tell the difference between sulfur pulling out

> mercury versus too much salicylates?

>

>

>

All of those foods are Failsafe (except the onions) and have very

little to no salicylates, so you wouldn't get a salicylate reaction

from any of those foods except the onions.

[Guest guest]

What symptoms do you get with sulfur in food pulling mercury?

Chest pain/compression (sometimes going down one arm), difficulty breathing

(like something is sitting on my chest), slow breathing (4-6 bpm) and

feeling like a band is being tightened around my head. The first time this

happened I went to the ER thinking it was some kind of heart attack and

after testing they declared my heart was perfectly fine. It is sometimes

accompanied by nausea/lack of desire to eat and excessive static (like the

kind you get if you shuffle your feet on the carpet and then touch a door

knob, but really, really painful) - but that is usually only if I continue

to eat large amounts of sulfur foods.

Do you get similar symptoms with cilantro or chlorella?

I haven't tried either as per Andy Cutler's evaluation of them being

dangerous for those who are highly toxic.

Also, how can you tell the difference between sulfur pulling out mercury

versus too much salicylates?

Very few sulfur foods are high in salicylate. Salicylates cause itching

(typically of the scalp), rashes (mostly on the face, sometimes on the chest

or arms), increased breathing rate (upwards of 30 bpm), lower abdominal

cramping and a very distinct kind of lower abdominal pain. When I first

started reducing my salicylate intake, any amount of them would inflame my

colon for days. Thankfully, I seem to be just about over the salicylate

issues. I've been challenging all sorts of foods the last few weeks and I'm

doing just fine. There are still some " foods " that bother me, including any

form of dyes or flavors (natural or artificial), NSAIDs and aspirin-like

compounds, certain essential oils and extracts as well as the occasional

juice (usually stuff from concentrate, but sometimes fresh pressed - I think

it depends on whether the skins were included). But even these don't

trigger the breathing issues anymore: just the lower abdominal pain and

sometimes the cramping and inflammation. I probably shouldn't be eating any

of that stuff anyway: so I'm not so broken up about it.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

Thankfully, I seem to be just about over the salicylate

> issues. I've been challenging all sorts of foods the last few weeks

and I'm

> doing just fine.

Sooo...are you going to post what all you did to overcome salicylate

intolerance? Or was that what you tried to post and ate?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[Guest guest]

That was what I tried to post and my email client ate, so I can't even

reference my outbox for it. I wised up and I'm writing it in a word

document this time. I am up to 7 pages, which is still mostly not

understandable to anyone but me. (Ask he knows how confusing my

shorthand can be!)

I can tell you the B vitamins were a factor, especially Biotin and I would

suggest you start working on your manganese and biotin stores since having

those in shape will be vital to the rest of the process. Biotin can

actually be used immediately after an exposure to reduce symptoms. To give

you an idea exactly how important Biotin is to the salicylate related

leukotriene release, you can check out this fascinating article about biotin

deficiencies and EFAs:

http://www.rpi.edu/dept/bcbp/molbiochem/MBWeb/mb2/part1/fasynthesis.htm

-Lana

On 7/3/07, tarinya2 <tarinya2@...> wrote:

>

> Thankfully, I seem to be just about over the salicylate

> > issues. I've been challenging all sorts of foods the last few weeks

> and I'm

> > doing just fine.

>

> Sooo...are you going to post what all you did to overcome salicylate

> intolerance? Or was that what you tried to post and ate?

> Inquiring minds want to know!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I wonder why you are not willing to try and wait to space the children out

more? It seems like a significant part of the Weston A. Price message was

that the proper spacing of children leads to healthier children. Our bodies

need time to rebuild stores, even with an ideal diet. It seems to me that

rushing TTC increases the chances that your next child may have more health

problems, inspite of your improved diet.

_________________________________________________________________

http://liveearth.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Okay - that's not the article. (But it helps to understand the article I

meant to post)

For some reason the pdf I have loaded has that URL in the bar - I think my

browser has malfunctioned. (And I'm back on firefox now... does anyone have

a good non-IE browser to reccomend?)

This is the correct link: http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/118/3/342.pdf

-Lana

biotin deficiencies and EFAs:

> http://www.rpi.edu/dept/bcbp/molbiochem/MBWeb/mb2/part1/fasynthesis.htm

>

> -Lana

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> I wonder why you are not willing to try and wait to space the

children out

> more? It seems like a significant part of the Weston A. Price

message was

> that the proper spacing of children leads to healthier children.

Our bodies

> need time to rebuild stores, even with an ideal diet. It seems to

me that

> rushing TTC increases the chances that your next child may have more

health

> problems, inspite of your improved diet.

I actually am spacing them out more than I would like--I originally

wanted my kids no more than 2 years apart, and they'll be between 2.5

and 3 years apart. Is that ideal nutritionally? Probably not...but

I've begun to think " ideal nutrition " is a bit of a myth, for me at

this point in time, anyway. I think three years apart was the minimum

spacing for a lot of the traditional groups, and I don't know how much

of a difference there really is between 2.5 years apart and 3 years

apart. I just do the best I can...plus I'm impatient and getting baby

fever again. Also, me and my sibilings were each 4 years apart and I

did not get along well with them, and I feel that the age gap was a

big part of that, so I would like to have my kids closer together. If

my next baby has similar health problems I'll definitely consider

spacing the one after that out more...but then again, if I end up

doing this circus again, I'll probably opt for a different gene pool

and adopt!