Re: Finding Wild Alaskan Salmon

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Mrs Bernstein wrote:

>Good Morning!

>

> My husband and I were excited yesterday to see that our local Fresh Market

store is now carrying Wild Alaskan Salmon.

>

> To the tune of $19.99 per pound. Though not big salmon lovers...our

homeopath has repeatedly encouraged us to eat more fish, especially Wild Alaskan

Salmon.

>

>

>

If you don't mind canned, Crown Prince has wild salmon for around $2 a

can....runs about $4 a lb. http://www.crownprince.com/cpnsalmon.htm

--s

> Is there a reliable NT source for the fish that will come out to less than

$19.99 per pound...or should we just rejoice in our new source and eat as we can

afford (which won't be THAT often)?

>

> THank you!

>

> Mrs Bernstein (Avery)

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On 6/4/06, Mrs Bernstein <mrsdanielbernstein@...> wrote:

> Is there a reliable NT source for the fish that will come out to less than

$19.99 per pound...or should we just rejoice in our new source and eat as we can

afford (which won't be THAT often)?

As said, canned is vastly cheaper. On the upside, it has the

bones in it, but not the ones you can choke on -- just the ones you

can chew and get all the health benefits from. On the downside, it's

canned, and for me personally it seems to give me dry mouth and I

don't really like the taste or texture.

Whole Foods sells frozen wild Alaskan salmon for $5.99 for 12 oz,

which is almost three times less than what you're paying. And frozen

is even fresher than " fresh. "

Chris

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On 6/4/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> As said, canned is vastly cheaper. On the upside, it has the

> bones in it, but not the ones you can choke on -- just the ones you

> can chew and get all the health benefits from. On the downside, it's

> canned, and for me personally it seems to give me dry mouth and I

> don't really like the taste or texture.

<snip>

> Chris

I never really got the rationale for WAPF shopping guide (er, well,

the people who wrote it) rating the canned stuff, even the

good-quality Alaskan wild, way below the fresh. I'd rather have fresh

too, but surely the quality of the fish and the fact that you're

eating the bones would be enough to put it on a similar level. As I

remember it, they ranked it with lots of way more trashy stuff.

What's the objection?

OK, now I got that off my chest.

[Guest guest]

As I

> remember it, they ranked it with lots of way more trashy stuff.

> What's the objection?

>

My chiropractor recommends against canned fish because of the

possibility of metals from the can leaching into the fish.

[Guest guest]

On 6/4/06, galeforcewinds00 <amgrose@...> wrote:

> As I

> > remember it, they ranked it with lots of way more trashy stuff.

> > What's the objection?

> >

>

> My chiropractor recommends against canned fish because of the

> possibility of metals from the can leaching into the fish.

Maybe... these cans seem to be plastic-lined though. The ones from

Vital Choice. So I guess plastic is leaching into the fish. Frozen

fish are always vacuum-sealed in plastic, but maybe less would leach

out when the whole lot is kept frozen. Then again, this is a plastic

world and freaking out too much about plastic contact leads to fetal

position in corner.

[Guest guest]

On 6/4/06, Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote:

> Maybe... these cans seem to be plastic-lined though. The ones from

> Vital Choice. So I guess plastic is leaching into the fish. Frozen

> fish are always vacuum-sealed in plastic, but maybe less would leach

> out when the whole lot is kept frozen. Then again, this is a plastic

> world and freaking out too much about plastic contact leads to fetal

> position in corner.

Is that what they mean when they say chemicals in plastics can induce

fetal damage?

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 6/4/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> On 6/4/06, Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote:

>

> > Maybe... these cans seem to be plastic-lined though. The ones from

> > Vital Choice. So I guess plastic is leaching into the fish. Frozen

> > fish are always vacuum-sealed in plastic, but maybe less would leach

> > out when the whole lot is kept frozen. Then again, this is a plastic

> > world and freaking out too much about plastic contact leads to fetal

> > position in corner.

>

>

> Is that what they mean when they say chemicals in plastics can induce

> fetal damage?

>

> Chris

Well, I guess I have the luxury of ignoring that one since I won't be

carrying any fetuses.

I know it's toxic, but so is constant hand-wringing and isolation from

the rest of the world. Just a tiny voice for a tiny bit of balance,

that's all.

[Guest guest]

> I know it's toxic, but so is constant hand-wringing and isolation

from

> the rest of the world. Just a tiny voice for a tiny bit of balance,

> that's all.

>

>

>

ITA. I am slowly getting rid of the plastic in my life but try not to

let it rule me.

[Guest guest]

Polycarbonate plastic is suppose to not leach.

Allyn

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Re: Finding Wild Alaskan Salmon

On 6/4/06, Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote:

> I know it's toxic, but so is constant hand-wringing and isolation from

> the rest of the world. Just a tiny voice for a tiny bit of balance,

> that's all.

Doesn't it depend what type of plastic it is? Dave Wetzel found a

type of plastic he was convinced was safe to package his cod liver oil

in, but opted to keep using glass based on the expense and risk of

trying to educate the consumer on the difference. I remember this

came up when there was some type of shortage of bottles and he had

packed a batch in that type of plastic or something and people thought

he switched.

Also, I've seen other things saying if you look at the recycle number,

some are safe to put certain things in, and not others, and so on.

Chris

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It never hurts to have that still, small, tiny voice be a reminder.

Thanks for that and a good giggle.

Sharon

On 6/4/06, Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote:

>

>

> I know it's toxic, but so is constant hand-wringing and isolation from

> the rest of the world. Just a tiny voice for a tiny bit of balance,

> that's all.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you make that canned salmon into tasty salmon patties (full of wonderful

herbs, eggs, etc., and gently pan fry them, then serve a wonderful garlic

aioli with a few capers tossed in there, maybe some diced red

onions....maybe placed on a nice, crisp plate of lettuce.....oh, heaven,

there's nothing wrong with wild-caught canned salmon then.....pan-fry some

cubed, breaded goat cheese while you're at it.....they just needed a good

recipe is all....

Sharon

On 6/4/06, Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote:

>

> On 6/4/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> > As said, canned is vastly cheaper. On the upside, it has the

> > bones in it, but not the ones you can choke on -- just the ones you

> > can chew and get all the health benefits from. On the downside, it's

> > canned, and for me personally it seems to give me dry mouth and I

> > don't really like the taste or texture.

> <snip>

> > Chris

>

> I never really got the rationale for WAPF shopping guide (er, well,

> the people who wrote it) rating the canned stuff, even the

> good-quality Alaskan wild, way below the fresh. I'd rather have fresh

> too, but surely the quality of the fish and the fact that you're

> eating the bones would be enough to put it on a similar level. As I

> remember it, they ranked it with lots of way more trashy stuff.

> What's the objection?

>

> OK, now I got that off my chest.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 6/4/06, Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote:

> I know it's toxic, but so is constant hand-wringing and isolation from

> the rest of the world. Just a tiny voice for a tiny bit of balance,

> that's all.

Doesn't it depend what type of plastic it is? Dave Wetzel found a

type of plastic he was convinced was safe to package his cod liver oil

in, but opted to keep using glass based on the expense and risk of

trying to educate the consumer on the difference. I remember this

came up when there was some type of shortage of bottles and he had

packed a batch in that type of plastic or something and people thought

he switched.

Also, I've seen other things saying if you look at the recycle number,

some are safe to put certain things in, and not others, and so on.

Chris

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Dioxins in Animal Foods:

A Case For Vegetarianism?

Find Out the Truth:

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> On 6/4/06, Furbish <efurbish@...> wrote:

> > I know it's toxic, but so is constant hand-wringing and isolation from

> > the rest of the world. Just a tiny voice for a tiny bit of balance,

> > that's all.

>

> Doesn't it depend what type of plastic it is? Dave Wetzel found a

> type of plastic he was convinced was safe to package his cod liver oil

> in, but opted to keep using glass based on the expense and risk of

> trying to educate the consumer on the difference. I remember this

> came up when there was some type of shortage of bottles and he had

> packed a batch in that type of plastic or something and people thought

> he switched.

>

> Also, I've seen other things saying if you look at the recycle number,

> some are safe to put certain things in, and not others, and so on.

>

>

> Chris

I've heard that too. With respect to water bottles, the thicker clear

plastic is supposed to be less likely to leach than the translucent

milk bottle type stuff. Those you can definitely tell apart by the

recycle number, though I don't remember which is which.

Anyway, probably worth some more research sometime.

[Guest guest]

In NAPD, Price specifically notes that addition of canned foods (in addition

to white flour, etc) increased incidence of dental caries. However, where

salmon was still eaten traditionally dried, incidence of caries was low.

-Lana

I never really got the rationale for WAPF shopping guide (er, well,

> the people who wrote it) rating the canned stuff, even the

> good-quality Alaskan wild, way below the fresh. I'd rather have fresh

> too, but surely the quality of the fish and the fact that you're

> eating the bones would be enough to put it on a similar level. As I

> remember it, they ranked it with lots of way more trashy stuff.

> What's the objection?

>

> OK, now I got that off my chest.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> In NAPD, Price specifically notes that addition of canned foods (in

addition

> to white flour, etc) increased incidence of dental caries. However,

where

> salmon was still eaten traditionally dried, incidence of caries was low.

>

Lana,

Can you give page numbers? I'd like to read that. Very interesting.

Are you saying canned salmon vs. dried salmon is mentioned?

B.

[Guest guest]

If I am reading this right you are saying they put the canned fish in the same

level as trashy stuff. It my be because canned food is heated to high

temperatures during the canning process so that would possibly kill some or a

lot of the nutrients.

Just a suggestion.

Allyn

Re: Finding Wild Alaskan Salmon

In NAPD, Price specifically notes that addition of canned foods (in addition

to white flour, etc) increased incidence of dental caries. However, where

salmon was still eaten traditionally dried, incidence of caries was low.

-Lana

I never really got the rationale for WAPF shopping guide (er, well,

> the people who wrote it) rating the canned stuff, even the

> good-quality Alaskan wild, way below the fresh. I'd rather have fresh

> too, but surely the quality of the fish and the fact that you're

> eating the bones would be enough to put it on a similar level. As I

> remember it, they ranked it with lots of way more trashy stuff.

> What's the objection?

>

> OK, now I got that off my chest.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/06, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> In NAPD, Price specifically notes that addition of canned foods (in addition

> to white flour, etc) increased incidence of dental caries. However, where

> salmon was still eaten traditionally dried, incidence of caries was low.

>

>

> -Lana

That's a pretty big " in addition to " there... Could be wrong, but

I bet he's not talking about canned fish, but probably all the other

canned junk that flooded in to those remote places. Why would people

who could easily get fresh fish and dry it import canned fish from

somewhere else? Not that that wouldn't be commonplace today, but then

I bet not so much.

Instead, the traditional stuff is displaced and they're eating white

flour and all that stuff, plus the new sugary candies and preserves,

and maybe eating poor-quality canned vegetables/beans/whatever instead

of the less-convenient traditional foods they had before. Canned food

was a pretty big range of stuff, with the majority of it probably

being total trash.

Anyhow, I know vegetables are less nutritious canned, but I'd be

curious how much the vitamin content etc goes down when good-quality

fish is canned.

> I never really got the rationale for WAPF shopping guide (er, well,

> > the people who wrote it) rating the canned stuff, even the

> > good-quality Alaskan wild, way below the fresh. I'd rather have fresh

> > too, but surely the quality of the fish and the fact that you're

> > eating the bones would be enough to put it on a similar level. As I

> > remember it, they ranked it with lots of way more trashy stuff.

> > What's the objection?

> >

> > OK, now I got that off my chest.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/06, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> In NAPD, Price specifically notes that addition of canned foods (in addition

> to white flour, etc) increased incidence of dental caries. However, where

> salmon was still eaten traditionally dried, incidence of caries was low.

It's been a few years, but I remember this part, and I remember he

wrote that they were pressured into thinking having to hunt their own

food was uncivilized. However, as more or less pointed out, the

observation of the increased consumption of canned versus traditional

salmon was associated with increased caries is a completely useless

observation if it was only observed in conjunction with increased

consumption of white flour and the other foods that he universally

associated with tooth decay.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

My doctor told me to avoid plastic because it can cause insulin

resistance. Mainly to avoid heating things in plastic, and I try to

avoid buying canned things. I can get tomato sauce in glass jars. I

do avoid storing things in plastic by wrapping them in unbleached

waxed paper first. But I do find it doesn't pay to get too obsessed

with it. Plastic is truly everywhere. I did get a natural bristle

toothbrush instead of plastic.

Ann

>

>

> > I know it's toxic, but so is constant hand-wringing and isolation

> from

> > the rest of the world. Just a tiny voice for a tiny bit of balance,

> > that's all.

> >

> >

> >

>

> ITA. I am slowly getting rid of the plastic in my life but try not to

> let it rule me.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In NAPD, Price specifically notes that addition of canned foods (in addition

to white flour, etc) increased incidence of dental caries. However, where

salmon was still eaten traditionally dried, incidence of caries was low.

-Lana

----------> I thought it was canned " vegtables " that were the problem foods

rather than canned meat. The canning process for veggies would kill most all the

nutrition in veggies. Would it do the same for meat? I would think meat could

handle the higher temps compared to veggies. ct

[Guest guest]

> Can you give page numbers? I'd like to read that. Very interesting.

> Are you saying canned salmon vs. dried salmon is mentioned?

> B.

Unfortunately, nothing quite so forward as that.

pg. 63 Teeth of McGrath vs the Eskimo wife of an American mining engineer

who insisted on storing salmon traditionally

pg. 88 " It would require a real urge to go catch the fish since they now can

be purchased canned in the open market. "

pg. 92 The Orphanage at Eklutna dries its own fish every year

There were a few more references, however I can't seem to find them all.

There are numerous references to canned goods when modern foods are

mentioned.

> However, as more or less pointed out, the

> observation of the increased consumption of canned versus traditional

> salmon was associated with increased caries is a completely useless

> observation if it was only observed in conjunction with increased

> consumption of white flour and the other foods that he universally

> associated with tooth decay.

While I agree with this, I would also like to point out that there are two

processes being criminalized here, not just one. Refining creates white

flours and white sugars and canning is the result of high temperature

processing. These modern processes are targeted throughout the book (at

least 3/4 of the way through, I'm not done just yet. ), with refining

being more heavily fired upon.

-Lana