Re: Did Primitives drink coffee?

January 14, 2007

Ishtar,

> It seems like every country has thier own version

> of the coffee bean, it makes sense that perhaps

> some primitives drank coffee.

>

> I am currently reading N & PD but am not half way

> yet.

Coffee is native to Ethiopia. I'm reading NAPD over now but haven't

read it for a couple years. I don't remember him visiting Ethiopia.

The Kuna of Panama have an enormous chocolate intake on their

indigenous diet. They drink over five cups of cocoa a day and use

cocoa in other recipes too.

See here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstra\

ctPlus & list_uids=16794463 & query_hl=4 & itool=pubmed_docsum

However, from the little I can gather, coffee either has no effect or

seems to raise blood pressure a little, contrary to chocolates

BP-lowering effect. Doesn't necessarily make coffee taboo in

moderation, I supposed depending on how you tolerate it.

Chris

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January 14, 2007

Where they healthy though? I guess that is my question

any healthy primitives drink it?

I drink decaf..( dont worry i drink the decaf

that has been decaffenated using the swiss method)

thanks chris~!!

Ishtar

>

> Ishtar,

>

> > It seems like every country has thier own version

> > of the coffee bean, it makes sense that perhaps

> > some primitives drank coffee.

> >

> > I am currently reading N & PD but am not half way

> > yet.

>

> Coffee is native to Ethiopia. I'm reading NAPD over now but haven't

> read it for a couple years. I don't remember him visiting Ethiopia.

>

> The Kuna of Panama have an enormous chocolate intake on their

> indigenous diet. They drink over five cups of cocoa a day and use

> cocoa in other recipes too.

>

> See here:

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=16794463 & query_hl=4

& itool=pubmed_docsum

>

> However, from the little I can gather, coffee either has no effect

or

> seems to raise blood pressure a little, contrary to chocolates

> BP-lowering effect. Doesn't necessarily make coffee taboo in

> moderation, I supposed depending on how you tolerate it.

>

> Chris

> --

> The Truth About Cholesterol

> Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

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>

January 14, 2007

Ishtar,

> Where they healthy though? I guess that is my question

> any healthy primitives drink it?

I have no idea, and I agree that this is the important question. But

if you don't find coffee in NAPD, it's probably because it isn't

widespread except for trading and Price didn't visit everywhere.

Perhaps someone else has investigated the health of traditional

Ethiopians, but not that I know of myself.

The Kuna, however, who have a high intake of cocoa, are apparently in

very good cardiovascular health.

Chris

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January 14, 2007

Thank you chris, i must admit coffee

is a vice of mine. I wouldnt say im so

much addicted to it chemically as i am

to the flavor.

I dont know if decafinating it makes it less

healthy or more healthy.

Ishtar

> Ishtar,

>

> > Where they healthy though? I guess that is my question

> > any healthy primitives drink it?

>

> I have no idea, and I agree that this is the important question.

But

> if you don't find coffee in NAPD, it's probably because it isn't

> widespread except for trading and Price didn't visit everywhere.

> Perhaps someone else has investigated the health of traditional

> Ethiopians, but not that I know of myself.

>

> The Kuna, however, who have a high intake of cocoa, are apparently

in

> very good cardiovascular health.

>

> Chris

> --

> The Truth About Cholesterol

> Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You:

> http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com

>

January 15, 2007

Just in case you havent seen this yet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

Then follow the links to http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010525.html for

this very amusing, at least very amusing to me, paragraph:

" On to that coffee, kopi luwak. The beans have indeed gone in one end of an

animal and come out the other, and guess which animal? None other than the

civet, although in this case we're talking about the Indonesian palm civet

(Paradoxurus hermaphroditus) rather than its perfume-ingredient-producing

cousins (Viverra civetta and Viverra zibetha). The palm civet prowls about the

coffee plantations of Indonesia, seeking out and eating only the ripest, most

primo coffee " cherries " (the sweet pulpy fruit encasing the coffee beans). The

indigestible bean passes through the animal's system and is excreted, passing

within millimeters of our friends the perineal glands. In the old days it was

then gathered by the poorest Indonesians and brewed into coffee. But then

somebody had a brainstorm: You know, if we play our cards right, we can sell

this to white people for $110 a pound! Behold, it has come to pass. The coffee

is said to have a rich, full-bodied, almost syrupy quality that supposedly

results from fermentation in the digestive tract, blah blah blah. They say it's

quite tasty if you can ignore the fact--no sense pussyfooting around here--that

it's made from shit. I haven't tried it personally, you understand. But I plan

to get to it real soon.

Some people have expressed skepticism that kopi luwak consists entirely of

pre-eaten beans, and from a quality-control standpoint it's hard to imagine what

you would do to guarantee 100 percent authenticity. But I cherish the thought of

some yuppie complaining that his coffee isn't pure shit. Meanwhile, somewhere a

civet is rubbing its scraped perineal glands and thinking: Ah, sweet revenge. "

--CECIL ADAMS

Cheers,

ne

sapress123@...

January 18, 2007

I looked long and hard to find a cocoa powder with no soy lecithin or

other ingredient. Finally, at Whole Foods, found Scharffen Berger,

natural cocoa powder, unsweetened. Just cocoa.

Sits neglected on my shelf. Anyone used it? What did you put with it

that wasn't bad for you?

Hooked on bad-for-you cocoa mixes in coffee when at work. (Would be

unhooked if did the job I liked but that's not happening.)

On Jan 14, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Masterjohn wrote:

> The Kuna, however, who have a high intake of cocoa, are apparently in

> very good cardiovascular health.

Also wondering if the Kuna mix their cocoa with other things that would

account for cardiovascular health.

Rum?

Parashis

January 18, 2007

we blend the unsweetened cocoa powder with raw whole milk and raw egg yolks to

make chocolate milk. the sweetness of the milk really makes it work but you can

add a splash of honey or banana or whatever to sugar up as needed i guess.

oliver...

@...: artpages@...: Thu, 18

Jan 2007 06:53:15 -0800Subject: Re: Did Primitives drink coffee?

I looked long and hard to find a cocoa powder with no soy lecithin or other

ingredient. Finally, at Whole Foods, found Scharffen Berger, natural cocoa

powder, unsweetened. Just cocoa.Sits neglected on my shelf. Anyone used it? What

did you put with it that wasn't bad for you?Hooked on bad-for-you cocoa mixes in

coffee when at work. (Would be unhooked if did the job I liked but that's not

happening.)On Jan 14, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Masterjohn wrote:> The Kuna,

however, who have a high intake of cocoa, are apparently in> very good

cardiovascular health.Also wondering if the Kuna mix their cocoa with other

things that would account for cardiovascular health.Rum? Parashis

January 18, 2007

On 1/18/07, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> > The Kuna, however, who have a high intake of cocoa, are apparently in

> > very good cardiovascular health.

> Also wondering if the Kuna mix their cocoa with other things that would

> account for cardiovascular health.

I don't know anything about their diet really, but they are

investigating cocoa because it has a positive effect on blood

pressure. I don't think 5 cups of anything a day with rum in it is

too healthy! They'd probably have trouble hunting or gathering

anything ;-)

Chris

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January 18, 2007

<I looked long and hard to find a cocoa powder with no soy lecithin or

<other ingredient. Finally, at Whole Foods, found Scharffen Berger,

<natural cocoa powder, unsweetened. Just cocoa.

<

<Sits neglected on my shelf. Anyone used it? What did you put with it

<that wasn't bad for you?

A spoonful is good mixed into oatmeal in the morning. That is how my

daughter likes hers.

I also use it to make hot cocoa: I mix a can of coconut milk, a can of

water, 1/4 c cocoa, 1/4 rapadura over low heat until melted and yummy.

Other than that, I use it for baking coconut flour brownies (I use half

cocoa and half carob).

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January 18, 2007

On 1/18/07, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> I looked long and hard to find a cocoa powder with no soy lecithin or

> other ingredient. Finally, at Whole Foods, found Scharffen Berger,

> natural cocoa powder, unsweetened. Just cocoa.

>

> Sits neglected on my shelf. Anyone used it? What did you put with it

> that wasn't bad for you?

Coconut candies are great way to use cocoa powder.

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