Re: breakfast

December 18, 2002

Jeannie wrote:

> Hi! I realized that my breakfast always consisted of primarily carbs.

> Never thought about it till I joined this list. I usually have 1/2 cup

> oatmeal, 1 slice of peanut butter toast and a cup of decaff coffee. That

> always satisfies me and I don't feel hungry at all for 4-5 hours. It's

> never caused me any problems. This morning, I tried something different: 3

> egg whites, buttered toast and decaff coffee. It didn't fill me at all. I

> was still hungry. After 2 hours, I checked my bg to see if there was some

> reason I was still so hungry. It was 73! It was 95 this morning. I'm

> gonna eat a plate of left-over spaghetti that we have! I'm only on 10 .mg

> glipizide a day...do you think the doctor should at least cut it in half?

I eat a full cup of oatmeal and a cup of sugar-free yogurt every morning for

breakfast. I don't drink milk, so the yogurt is my calcium, such that it is.

That's 3 carb exchanges for breakfast and this morning my BG 3 hours pp

(forgot to check at 2 hours) was 66. I was feeling some hypo symptoms so I

checked it.

I don't usually check after breakfast because I have the same thing every

day for breakfast and I know how it will affect me.

I'm seeing my doctor again at the beginning of January - I've already cut my

Glucovance in half and would like to stop it within the next year. Not sure

if I'm ready yet, but maybe after a few more pounds drop off ... )

b

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December 18, 2002

<<I eat a full cup of oatmeal and a cup of sugar-free yogurt every morning

for

breakfast. I don't drink milk, so the yogurt is my calcium, such that it is.

That's 3 carb exchanges for breakfast and this morning my BG 3 hours pp

(forgot to check at 2 hours) was 66. I was feeling some hypo symptoms so I

checked it.>>

Beth, I realized that it's a full cup, too, not a half cup. I use instant

oatmeal and measure a half cup to a cup of water. Guess that's why I was

thinking 1/2 cup. I hadn't even thought about calcium. Congrats on cutting

your med in half and good luck in quitting it altogether! My doc is real

big on pills...had a devil of a time getting him to stop my

hypochlorothiazide (spell??) when it caused unpleasant side effects...and I

imagine I'll still have trouble getting him to cut mine. It's not as simple

as finding another doctor, either, I have to go to a county hospital

clinic, so I have no real control over who I get. If I'm not happy...tough!

However, he is the *best* doctor I've ever had up there (even though he

didn't see my diabetes, in spite of continual complaints!).

Luv,

Jeannie

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December 18, 2002

In a message dated 12/18/2002 12:36:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

luvmacca@... writes:

> I'm only on 10 .mg

> glipizide a day...do you think the doctor should at least cut it in half?

Hi Jeannie,

This is what I would do. I would start recording everything I eat, including

amounts, my exercise and my bg readings two hours later. You could do this

for 2 or 3 weeks, then ask your doctor about cutting your meds in half. This

information will be very useful for your doctor to determine the amount of

meds you need.

Eunice

December 18, 2002

Jeannie wrote:

> Beth, I realized that it's a full cup, too, not a half cup. I use instant

> oatmeal and measure a half cup to a cup of water. Guess that's why I was

> thinking 1/2 cup.

Well, I can see that that would be an easy thing to do. And it fills me up

and satisfies me so much. I've always loved oatmeal - just plain old Quaker

Oats, to which I must confess I also add a little kosher salt. ( blood

pressure is normal.)

>I hadn't even thought about calcium. Congrats on cutting

> your med in half and good luck in quitting it altogether! My doc is real

> big on pills...had a devil of a time getting him to stop my

> hypochlorothiazide (spell??) when it caused unpleasant side effects...and I

> imagine I'll still have trouble getting him to cut mine. It's not as simple

> as finding another doctor, either, I have to go to a county hospital

> clinic, so I have no real control over who I get. If I'm not happy...tough!

> However, he is the *best* doctor I've ever had up there (even though he

> didn't see my diabetes, in spite of continual complaints!).

Well, I don't want to go off meds if it means I have to just be a freak

about what i eat. We eat out a lot, and have an active lifestyle and I've

been able to manage it quite well following the ADA meal plan (1500

calorie). So I'd rather take a little medication and live a little than not

be able to eat out or go to dinner at friends' homes, etc.

Last week we were invited to the home of some acquaintances for lunch and

only after I accepted did we learn that " homemade pizza " was the entree. But

I ate salad and 1 piece of pizza and was still in the low 100s after that.

So it went ok.

b

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December 18, 2002

ERWachter@... wrote:

> This is what I would do. I would start recording everything I eat, including

> amounts, my exercise and my bg readings two hours later. You could do this

> for 2 or 3 weeks, then ask your doctor about cutting your meds in half. This

> information will be very useful for your doctor to determine the amount of

> meds you need.

Oh, now see, that's the way you SHOULD do it. LOL I'm too lazy and I'm in

the car too much and eating on the run with my kids' schedules.

Fortunately, my sister is a physician and I spent 4 nights at her home over

Thanksgiving, so she was witness to the hypos. I had to go lie down when my

BG reached 47! So it was on her advice (over Thanksgiving weekend, no less)

that I tried cutting the pills in half. Tested about 8 times that day and

BGs did not change at all from taking the whole pill - just fewer hypos - so

I've stuck with the half dosage. Hubby had an appt with my doc this week and

told him how well I was doing and that I had halved the dosage and he was

fine with that.

But I am still getting really hypo about 3 hours after breakfast, and late

afternoon if I don't watch it.

b

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December 19, 2002

Hi Jeannie! I know you from the Beatles list!

>>> luvmacca@... 12/18/02 12:35PM >>>

I realized that my breakfast always consisted of primarily carbs.

Never thought about it till I joined this list. I usually have 1/2

cup

oatmeal, 1 slice of peanut butter toast and a cup of decaff coffee.

That

always satisfies me and I don't feel hungry at all for 4-5 hours.

>>>

This breakfast is designed to keep you going (without feeling

hungry) for a while. The oatmeal is a good choice for many reasons:

(a) supposedly it makes it harder for the carb's to reach the

intestine wall. This is good. You want to stretch out the absorption

process for as long as possible.

( oats (especially the bran) have soluble fiber, which tends to

snag cholesterol and retard cholesterol absorption.

The peanut butter is good, too. Of course it's a lot of calories, but

it helps to keep you from getting hungry.

>>>

It's never caused me any problems. This morning, I tried something

different: 3

egg whites, buttered toast and decaff coffee. It didn't fill me at

all. I

was still hungry.

>>>

I'd think that your best strategy is to cut down your evening meals.

Eat the meaty, more fat-containing meals earlier in the day, and *try*

to make dinner or supper *very gradually* as moderate (i.e. light) as

possible.

I would have thought your change in breakfast was rather dramatic,

hence

your hunger mid-morning! Select *one tiny thing* from your supper,

and

transfer it over to breakfast, if it makes sense at all! I guess it's

really

too much to ask, but think along those lines

Most people's meal patterns look like

* [breakfast]

**** [Lunch]

******** [Dinner]

which ensures that a lot of food is being digested when you're least

active. This encourages turning them to fat (and, unfortunately,

fat close to the heart, which is a high-risk factor).

If it's possible to change the patterns to

****** [breakfast]

**** [Lunch]

*** [Dinner]

it would be perfect. This way you're burning calories as-you-go, and

not

trying to wake-up last night's stored calories for this morning.

Stored calories

are sort of " archived, " and not for on-demand burning (hence all the

aerobic

stuff to un-archive stored calories). BUt if anyone

tries to do it too suddenly, their stomachs complain like crazy.

[Actually, lots of people swear by many small meals. If a mild

diabetic can

plan on six small meals a day, I've been told, they can go off drugs

for a

long, long time. And they lose weight; Dolly Parton claims to have

lost

weight this way.]

Arch

December 19, 2002

<<Hi Jeannie! I know you from the Beatles list!>>

Hi, Arch! At first, I thought I had the wrong list! Small world, huh??

<<I would have thought your change in breakfast was rather dramatic,

hence your hunger mid-morning!>>

Yeah, it was now that I think about it. I'd never had any problems with it,

so I probably should have just left well enough alone. Lately, though, I

have been eating salads for supper, just because I like salad and hadn't ate

one in awhile. I discovered by accident that it lowers bg's. They were

going too low, but I took Eunice's advice and added a little protein, like

fish or chicken, as I don't really like red meat. I removed the yolks from

the eggs at breakfast, because I'm struggling with cholesterol. Would yolks

be more filling? I thought about eating a couple eggs a few times a week,

since I'm allowed a few.