Re: Kombucha tea and acid reflux

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> I seem to get problems with heartburn every time I start drinking

> acidic

> drinks, and my recent return to kombucha tea has triggered this

> problem

> again. I wonder if there is a way to buffer the stuff so that it's not

> so acidic... I guess I imagine something like dropping an alka-seltzer

> in in right before drinking, but maybe something healthy, like

> something

> with bio-available calcium in it. Has anyone had some experiences with

> this?

>

> Thanks

Buffering kombucha and other lactofermented foods and drinks wouldn't

be a great idea, as the organic acids they contain are a large part

of the point of consuming them.

Inadequate closing of the gastroesophageal sphincter, though, can

generally be very effectively treated by a ginger juice regimen. The

typical recommendation is to take 1t of juice every day upon rising.

The regimen I found effective, though, was much more intense: 1T with

every meal. 1t in the morning did nothing for me.

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> Buffering kombucha and other lactofermented foods and drinks wouldn't

> be a great idea, as the organic acids they contain are a large part

> of the point of consuming them.

Yes, I see that it wouldn't be ideal but I've got the ktea and want to

drink it ...

> Inadequate closing of the gastroesophageal sphincter, though, can

> generally be very effectively treated by a ginger juice regimen. The

> typical recommendation is to take 1t of juice every day upon rising.

> The regimen I found effective, though, was much more intense: 1T with

> every meal. 1t in the morning did nothing for me.

I'll try it. Thanks,

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> Inadequate closing of the gastroesophageal sphincter, though, can

> generally be very effectively treated by a ginger juice regimen. The

> typical recommendation is to take 1t of juice every day upon rising.

> The regimen I found effective, though, was much more intense: 1T with

> every meal. 1t in the morning did nothing for me.

Why does ginger help close the sphincter? And how does it help at

times apart from when it is consumed?

Thanks,

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Chris-

> Why does ginger help close the sphincter? And how does it help at

> times apart from when it is consumed?

According to and some other sources I've come across,

most reflux is actually caused by insufficient rather than excess

stomach acid. This makes sense, since stomach acid signals the

gastroesophageal sphincter to close, and over time, incomplete

closing leads to atrophy. Supposedly, treatment with ginger juice

actually causes the sphincter to redevelop and once again close

tightly. (It also may stimulate a balky sphincter to close more

tightly immediately, thus also functioning as a treatment for

individual attacks of heartburn.) I haven't found anything in the

medical literature on the subject, but my own experience supports the

theory, though as I noted I needed a lot more juice than is usually

recommended to feel any results.

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> According to and some other sources I've come across,

> most reflux is actually caused by insufficient rather than excess

> stomach acid. This makes sense, since stomach acid signals the

> gastroesophageal sphincter to close, and over time, incomplete

> closing leads to atrophy. Supposedly, treatment with ginger juice

> actually causes the sphincter to redevelop and once again close

> tightly.

Is it doing so by stimulating more acid production, or does it have

some direct effect? I'm wondering what type of effect he proposes it

has -- tissue regeneration? Neural control? Signaling properties of

its own that are similar to that of acid in causing the sphincter to

shut? Or he has no idea why it works, but has found it does in

clinical experience?

Chris

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Chris-

> Is it doing so by stimulating more acid production, or does it have

> some direct effect? I'm wondering what type of effect he proposes it

> has -- tissue regeneration? Neural control? Signaling properties of

> its own that are similar to that of acid in causing the sphincter to

> shut? Or he has no idea why it works, but has found it does in

> clinical experience?

Sorry, I was a bit distracted when I wrote that, so I wasn't clear.

has just about nothing to say about ginger. He just writes at

some length about hypochlorhydria.

The use of ginger juice as a rehabilitative agent appears to be on

the order of folk wisdom -- you can find it recommended by many

different people without any particular attribution -- but while

there's no medical literature that I could find on the subject, it

definitely appears to work. Whether it provides some sort of missing

nourishment to the stomach, contains compounds which are effective

signaling agents, or just directly stimulates the sphincter to

redevelop, I don't know, but many people find immediate relief from

heartburn by taking it, some people also find it actually causes

heartburn when taken, and it seems to be effective at reversing

gastroesophageal sphincter atrophy when taken consistently over time.

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I also can get chest pains (that I assume is heartburn) from kombucha. And

also from large doses of undilted EM. I haven't found a solution except to

take less and try maybe diluting it or mixing it in veggie juice or

something.

On 11/15/06, Sax Maam <saxmaam@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I seem to get problems with heartburn every time I start drinking acidic

> drinks, and my recent return to kombucha tea has triggered this problem

> again. I wonder if there is a way to buffer the stuff so that it's not

> so acidic... I guess I imagine something like dropping an alka-seltzer

> in in right before drinking, but maybe something healthy, like something

> with bio-available calcium in it. Has anyone had some experiences with

> this?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

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> Whether it provides some sort of missing

> nourishment to the stomach, contains compounds which are effective

> signaling agents, or just directly stimulates the sphincter to

> redevelop, I don't know, but many people find immediate relief from

> heartburn by taking it, some people also find it actually causes

> heartburn when taken, and it seems to be effective at reversing

> gastroesophageal sphincter atrophy when taken consistently over time.

Well I find I get digestive benefit from ginger and relief from

stomach discomfort, so I'll have to try using it more dilligently

then.

I think you're on to something with acid reflux being a possible cause

of my on-and-off trouble breathing. I've noticed I do seem to have a

chronic but very low-level reflux problem.

Chris

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Hi ,

Have you tried milk kefir? Some folks on the kefir list swear that it has

cured their acid reflux, so it would certainly be worth a try!

Perhaps brewing the kombucha for less time would make it less acidic, if you

want to continue with it.

and the K9's

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>I also can get chest pains (that I assume is heartburn) from kombucha. And

> also from large doses of undiluted EM. I haven't found a solution except

> to

> take less and try maybe diluting it or mixing it in veggie juice or

> something.

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> I add a tad of baking soda to acidic foods like

> tomatoes, iced tea, etc. and it sweetens it by

> neutralizing the acid. But I see that you want

> something that actually does something for you, rather

> than just adding sodium. How about grating a calcium

> pill into it?

>

> Nance

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Yes ... that was one of my thoughts. Calcium ascorbate didn't seem to

change the acidity particularly. I got a regular calcium supplement and

I'll try that today.

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> Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:15 am (PST)

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> Hi ,

>

> Have you tried milk kefir? Some folks on the kefir list swear that

> it has

> cured their acid reflux, so it would certainly be worth a try!

>

> Perhaps brewing the kombucha for less time would make it less

> acidic, if you

> want to continue with it.

>

> and the K9's

>

I gave away my kefir grains while I was testing the effect of

eliminating milk from my diet. Am about to add yogurt back in, so we'll

see. If that works out OK I'll probably restart with kefir (I was a

newbie to kefir when I gave them away, so can't comment on kefir/reflux

yet).

Thanks everyone, for the ideas.

Oh yes, and brewing shorter. I'm not all that interested since I don't

like sweet beverages much. But of course that would help.

Peace,

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I had something similar happen to me with Kombucha too BUT I started

making sure I drank water right after drinking the KT and it

stopped.. I also drink my KT first thing in the morning, then have

water and in the afternoon or evening drink a kefir smoothie... I

can't go without my KT I love the taste and what it does for me

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I seem to get problems with heartburn every time I start

drinking acidic

> > drinks, and my recent return to kombucha tea has triggered this

problem

> > again. I wonder if there is a way to buffer the stuff so that

it's not

> > so acidic... I guess I imagine something like dropping an alka-

seltzer

> > in in right before drinking, but maybe something healthy, like

something

> > with bio-available calcium in it. Has anyone had some

experiences with

> > this?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

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> I have completely eliminated heartburn from my experience by staying

properly hydrated. Started drinking half my body weight in water and

voila...also seems to help eliminate whatever my kombucha loosens up

for detox...

Just my 2 cents worth!

Good luck,

deb

> I seem to get problems with heartburn every time I start drinking

acidic

> drinks, and my recent return to kombucha tea has triggered this

problem

> again. I wonder if there is a way to buffer the stuff so that it's

not

> so acidic...