Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Although " experts " don't agree as to the exact numbers, your first morning urine ph should be around 6.4 to 7.0. I've heard some say up to 7.4. The PH Trio from www.healthline.cc works well as I was around 5 and used that to get mine up. It consists of coral calcium powder, aloe powder and cod liver oil as vitamin D is needed for proper assimilation. You can get the other 2 separately if you already have cod liver oil. From personal experience, it works. >Does anybody know about this? >Mine is acidic--5.5--every time I've tested--three--for 24 hours now. > >Crayfish says it's supposed to be alkaline >but for 10 AM and 10 PM. > >FWIW my saliva is quite alkaline at 7. > >Yeah, this is what girls do when the men aren't around... >panties and pH strips everywhere. > B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 On 4/30/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote: > Does anybody know about this? > Mine is acidic--5.5--every time I've tested--three--for 24 hours now. > > Crayfish says it's supposed to be alkaline > but for 10 AM and 10 PM. > > FWIW my saliva is quite alkaline at 7. > > Yeah, this is what girls do when the men aren't around... > panties and pH strips everywhere. > B. The low urine pH means you have an improper mineral balance in your body. The high saliva pH means your digestive enzymes are somewhat off kilter. That is from the man who gave us " brix " . On this list many of us are aware of RBTI (brix) as applied to agriculture, but it was also applied by Dr. Reams to human health, and from all accounts the results were just as impressive. The guy who Suze Fisher interviewed in her article for Wise Traditions, The Quest for Nutrient Dense Food: http://www.westonaprice.org/farming/nutrient-dense.html is one of the few who have attempted to teach both the ag and human side of RBTI. Most folks are either on one side or the other, and usually completely ignorant of the other side. Below is an excerpt explaining the value of measuring pH values: Can the Reams Biological Theory of Ionization be understood by the average person? In a word, yes...but that is merely the start of a fascinating journey that touches into the very secrets of life itself. Starting in 1930, Carey Reams undertook a career in agriculture that soon had him comparing the growth, life, and death of plants to the same processes in animals and humans. Almost from the beginning he found that he could restore animals to high health levels by ensuring that they were given forage grown on mineral-rich soil. As the years rolled by, he developed more and more confidence that he could guide people away from almost any human malady by using an equation he had first developed for a small neighbor boy who suffered seizures. Although the equation had started with a need for tests of all bodily fluids and excretions (blood, urine, saliva, perspiration, earwax, stool, lymph, hair, fingernails, skin scrapings, etc), Reams found much duplication and as the years passed was able to simplify the equation until a full analysis required only urine and saliva tests. During a visit to Princeton, Reams commented to Professor Einstein, " You have shown how matter can be taken apart. How can it be put together again? " According to the story, Einstein replied that he would leave the explanation of that to the much younger Reams. It was not long until Reams realized that cells were built by a process akin to electroplating instead of the still prevailing concept that cells endlessly divide. Reams' ionization theory opened up a view of cells being constructed, ion by ion, all the way down at the atomic level. This view fit perfectly with the health equation that Reams had developed long ago. And what was this view? Namely, that the God-given powers of the human body struggle unto death to maintain (or restore) perfect health (quantified by Reams as 100% Reserve Energy). Even under extreme attack by the AMA, Reams never wavered with his teaching that the major factors working against perfect health were poor food quality, inadequate water, and negative mental disposition. And the factors used to build the famous equation for perfect health? * An urine Brix (sugar) of 1.5---denoting an adequate energy level... * An urine pH of 6.4---signifying a proper mineral balance in the body... * A saliva pH of 6.4---pointing to sufficient digestive enzymes... * An urine conductivity between 4200 and 4900 microsiemens---showing correct body electrolytes... * An urine evaluation of 40,000 cellular particles per liter---verifying the replacement of worn-out cells... * An urine concentration of 3 parts per million nitrate---which shows the body is not overwhelmed with toxicity AND * An urine concentration of 3 parts per million ammonia---which speaks to prompt removal of this notorious metabolism byproduct... Reams' equation has truly stood the test of time. It was understandable when first developed and it is understandable now. Many have found it to provide answers available nowhere else. Notes: The medical doctors claimed the boy had epileptic seizures and would not survive until the age of five. Reams found instead that he had diabetic seizures. Using a Reams diet the boy went on to live a long and healthy life with children of his own. On Reams' scale, the healthiest humans have 100% reserve energy; medical doctors can first recognize sickness at 30%; the " point of no return " (PNR) is 4%; and the dead have 0%. http://brixman.com/REAMS/canweunderstandRBTI.htm Hope that helps. -- You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live – opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any purpose. " The late Harry Browne Why You Are A Libertarian http://tinyurl.com/kha3m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 On 4/30/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote: > Does anybody know about this? > Mine is acidic--5.5--every time I've tested--three--for 24 hours now. > > Crayfish says it's supposed to be alkaline > but for 10 AM and 10 PM. > > FWIW my saliva is quite alkaline at 7. What is the brix of your urine? -- You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live – opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any purpose. " The late Harry Browne Why You Are A Libertarian http://tinyurl.com/kha3m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 > > Does anybody know about this? > > Mine is acidic--5.5--every time I've tested--three--for 24 hours now. > > > > Crayfish says it's supposed to be alkaline > > but for 10 AM and 10 PM. > > > > FWIW my saliva is quite alkaline at 7. > > What is the brix of your urine? > , six. Saliva pH is usually 6.5 so that's a relief. Thanks for the information. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I have been working on my ph for over a year. It should be 7 and when you wake up it will be lower and rise through the day. I have tried different things and I am now trying the Legend Coral Calcium with the aloe. I can get me up and then all of of a sudden it plummets and it takes me awhile to get it back up. I have found that when I eat grains it gets very acid. Allyn Re: urine pH On 4/30/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...<mailto:illneverbecool@...>> wrote: > Does anybody know about this? > Mine is acidic--5.5--every time I've tested--three--for 24 hours now. > > Crayfish says it's supposed to be alkaline > but for 10 AM and 10 PM. > > FWIW my saliva is quite alkaline at 7. What is the brix of your urine? -- You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live – opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any purpose. " The late Harry Browne Why You Are A Libertarian http://tinyurl.com/kha3m<http://tinyurl.com/kha3m> <HTML><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT<http://www\ ..w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT> FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " > <B>IMPORTANT ADDRESSES</B> <UL> <LI><B><A HREF= " / " >NATIVE<http://heal\ th./group/ / " >NATIVE> NUTRITION</A></B> online</LI> <LI><B><A HREF= " http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B<http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B>> the entire message archive with Onibasu</LI> </UL></FONT> <PRE><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " ><B><A HREF= " mailto: -owner " >LIST<mailto:native-nutritio\ n-owner " >LIST> OWNER:</A></B> Idol <B>MODERATOR:</B> Wanita Sears </FONT></PRE> </BODY> </HTML> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 On 4/30/06, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: [snip] > Can the Reams Biological Theory of Ionization be understood by the > average person? > > In a word, yes...but that is merely the start of a fascinating journey > that touches into the very secrets of life itself. [snip] > It was not long until Reams realized that cells were built by a > process akin to electroplating instead of the still prevailing concept > that cells endlessly divide. Reams' ionization theory opened up a view > of cells being constructed, ion by ion, all the way down at the atomic > level. This view fit perfectly with the health equation that Reams had > developed long ago. [snip] > Hope that helps. This particular part doesn't really help me undersatnd the " Reams Biological Theory of Ionization. " I don't know what it means to differentiate between " electroplating " and " [endless division]. " I googled " electroplating " and got this: " Electroplating is the deposition of a metallic coating onto an object by putting a negative charge onto the object and immersing it into a solution which contains a salt of the metal to be deposited. The metallic ions of the salt carry a positive charge and are attracted to the part. When they reach it, the negatively charged part provides the electrons to " reduce " the positively charged ions to metallic form. " What does this have to do with cell division? Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 What kind of grains? fermented? sprouted? soaked? Does it make a difference? I was just reading about the rise in leukocytes when people eat cooked, " Dead " foods and am wondering if there's a connection. > > Does anybody know about this? > > Mine is acidic--5.5--every time I've tested--three--for 24 hours now. > > > > Crayfish says it's supposed to be alkaline > > but for 10 AM and 10 PM. > > > > FWIW my saliva is quite alkaline at 7. > > What is the brix of your urine? > > > -- > You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything > that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live – > opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any > purpose. " > > The late Harry Browne > Why You Are A Libertarian > http://tinyurl.com/kha3m<http://tinyurl.com/kha3m> > > > <HTML><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1- transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT<http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1- transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT> FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " > > <B>IMPORTANT ADDRESSES</B> > <UL> > <LI><B><A HREF= " native- nutrition/ " >NATIVE<native- nutrition/ " >NATIVE> NUTRITION</A></B> online</LI> > <LI><B><A HREF= " http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B<http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH< /A></B>> the entire message archive with Onibasu</LI> > </UL></FONT> > <PRE><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " ><B><A HREF= " mailto:native- nutrition-owner " >LIST<mailto: - owner " >LIST> OWNER:</A></B> Idol > <B>MODERATOR:</B> Wanita Sears > </FONT></PRE> > </BODY> > </HTML> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I have found, for me, it doesn't matter. I also had problems digesting any kind of grain, sprouted, sourdough, it does not matter. But, everyone is different. Allyn Re: urine pH What kind of grains? fermented? sprouted? soaked? Does it make a difference? I was just reading about the rise in leukocytes when people eat cooked, " Dead " foods and am wondering if there's a connection. > > Does anybody know about this? > > Mine is acidic--5.5--every time I've tested--three--for 24 hours now. > > > > Crayfish says it's supposed to be alkaline > > but for 10 AM and 10 PM. > > > > FWIW my saliva is quite alkaline at 7. > > What is the brix of your urine? > > > -- > You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything > that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live - > opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any > purpose. " > > The late Harry Browne > Why You Are A Libertarian > http://tinyurl.com/kha3m<http://tinyurl.com/kha3m<http://tinyurl.com/kha3m<http:\ //tinyurl.com/kha3m>> > > > <HTML><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1<http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1>- transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT<http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1<http://www.\ w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1>- transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT> FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " > > <B>IMPORTANT ADDRESSES</B> > <UL> > <LI><B><A HREF= " native<http://health.\ /group/native>- nutrition/ " >NATIVE<native<http://health.gro\ ups./group/native>- nutrition/ " >NATIVE> NUTRITION</A></B> online</LI> > <LI><B><A HREF= " http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B<http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH<http://onib\ asu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B<http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH>< /A></B>> the entire message archive with Onibasu</LI> > </UL></FONT> > <PRE><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " ><B><A HREF= " mailto:native<mailto:native>- nutrition-owner " >LIST<mailto: <mailto:nutrition-o\ wner " >LIST<mailto: >- owner " >LIST<mailto:owner " >LIST>> OWNER:</A></B> Idol > <B>MODERATOR:</B> Wanita Sears > </FONT></PRE> > </BODY> > </HTML> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 > > Although " experts " don't agree as to the exact numbers, your first morning > urine ph should be around 6.4 to 7.0. I've heard some say up to 7.4. The PH > Trio from www.healthline.cc works well as I was around 5 and used that to > get mine up. It consists of coral calcium powder, aloe powder and cod liver > oil as vitamin D is needed for proper assimilation. You can get the other 2 > separately if you already have cod liver oil. From personal experience, it > works. > , Hmm, I drink fresh aloe upon awaking each morning and clo at breakfast and--usually calcium/magnesium during the day. I not infrequently forget the cal/mag, it's true. Anyway, I'm sure y'all will be thrilled to know my body fluid samples this morning were very close to 's posted numbers. Yay for nutrient-dense me. B. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Do you think you're allergic or lacking the right enzymes to digest it? > > I have found, for me, it doesn't matter. I also had problems digesting any kind of grain, sprouted, sourdough, it does not matter. But, > everyone is different. > Allyn > > Re: urine pH > > > What kind of grains? fermented? sprouted? soaked? Does it make a > difference? I was just reading about the rise in leukocytes when > people eat cooked, " Dead " foods and am wondering if there's a > connection. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 On 5/1/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: > On 4/30/06, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > > [snip] > > > Can the Reams Biological Theory of Ionization be understood by the > > average person? > > > > In a word, yes...but that is merely the start of a fascinating journey > > that touches into the very secrets of life itself. > > [snip] > > > It was not long until Reams realized that cells were built by a > > process akin to electroplating instead of the still prevailing concept > > that cells endlessly divide. Reams' ionization theory opened up a view > > of cells being constructed, ion by ion, all the way down at the atomic > > level. This view fit perfectly with the health equation that Reams had > > developed long ago. > > [snip] > > > Hope that helps. > > This particular part doesn't really help me undersatnd the " Reams > Biological Theory of Ionization. " I don't know what it means to > differentiate between " electroplating " and " [endless division]. " I don't think much of that post would help you understand RBTI either as applied to agriculture or humans as it is but a brief snippet and brix is a *huge* topic. I'm not in any position to defend or debate any of Reams outside the mainstream scientific ideas (including his insistence that Vitamin C is *fat* soluble) but here is a page that lists some of them: http://brixman.com/REAMS/reamsconcepts.htm Best bet is to go to RBTI and ask on the list about electroplating. Rex Harrill, who Suze Fisher interviewed for the Wise Tradition article on brix and nutrient density in food (http://www.westonaprice.org/farming/nutrient-dense.html), is the moderator, and I'm sure he (and others) will be happy to engage you. I tend to work backwards when studying alternative healers. I want to know how their body of work has helped people before diving into all the theory behind it. It would appear the Dr. Reams was quite successful in healing people who were otherwise left for dead. -- You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live – opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any purpose. " The late Harry Browne Why You Are A Libertarian http://tinyurl.com/kha3m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 On 5/29/06, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > I don't think much of that post would help you understand RBTI either > as applied to agriculture or humans as it is but a brief snippet and > brix is a *huge* topic. I'm not in any position to defend or debate > any of Reams outside the mainstream scientific ideas (including his > insistence that Vitamin C is *fat* soluble) but here is a page that > lists some of them: http://brixman.com/REAMS/reamsconcepts.htm My understanding is that there is a fat-soluble, oxidized form of vitamin C. I don't think it acts as an antioxidant, but it could have other functions. But other than that, I think that most of the stuff in that chart has been pretty well disproved -- unless the chart isn't presenting what Reams was saying well. But Ream wrote a long time ago. The advance in understanding of what's going on has advanced tremendously since then. One could argue that that advance in knowledge hasn't helped anyone as much as Reams had, or something to that effect, but what you do with the knowledge is a different matter. Chris -- Dioxins in Animal Foods: A Case For Vegetarianism? Find Out the Truth: http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I have never heard of this electroplating of cells. Doesn't make sense to me, as one can actually see a cell divide under an electron microscope. If it isn't dividing, what is it doing? jafa > > > > This particular part doesn't really help me undersatnd the " Reams > Biological Theory of Ionization. " I don't know what it means to > differentiate between " electroplating " and " [endless division]. " __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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