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Sic 'em Kyla. Spot on Chick.

Re: Returning home

More scenario:

Your aunt said that your dad " doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. "

Oh, really? And to start building this relationship with his son,

he has an aunt call to disinvite him to a family party? Doesn't

that make your bullshit meter go off? If your dad really wanted to

build a relationship with you, he'd start at your grandmother' s

birthday party and go from there -- not DISINVITE YOU THROUGH A 3rd

PARTY --

That's a squeeze play, Tony -- trying to force you to his will.

" He started crying and asked if i want to have a relationship with

him, and he will do anything for me to make this work. "

Except that he HASN'T done anything proactive toward you to let you

know he wants a relationship. He's passive-aggressivel y trying to

force you to just do it his way, without him having to meet you

halfway.

Oh, and my mother uses tears when she wants to hijack the

relationship negotiations -- basically when she wants to hijack ANY

conversation, she reverts to tears. They ensure that the party on

the other side looks cruel if they don't give in to her.

Oh, and the " party shift " solution to your cousin's engagement party

is TOO RIDICULOUS -- You should simply state " Am I invited to the

party, or not? " does your cousin want you there? Then GO --

without any preconditions. What a narcissistic thing for your

father to do by commandeering parties and making the hosts

accommodate his comfort zone regarding their guests. Honestly!

This is becoming less about celebrating your cousin's engagement,

and more about indulging your father's need for a pity party!

The focus on the day of the party ought to be your engaged cousin!

If I were the engaged person, I'd really resent my party being used

that way! If I were you, I'd politely ignore the e-mail, speak

directly to your cousin, and say you're looking forward to a great

time congratulating him/her.

Then, when at the party, if anyone brings up the feud, I'd cut them

off with a polite -- " This isn't the time for that, we're here to

celebrate 's engagement -- let's leave all that behind for

now. " And change the subject, or move on......

As far as running out before your dad gets there? NOT A CHANCE.

That's demeaning and I wouldn't be a party to my own humiliation.

Your dad has upped the ante. He hasn't changed -- he's playing you.

-Kyla

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior

to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> to them before i left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a

80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

my

> dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said

it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

my

> grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

would

> be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> things, and started bringing things up again.. He kept getting

upset

> and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging

into

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

to

> have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

make

> this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it

was

> an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

7-

> 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

and

> i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

wednesday

> to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to

get

> things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Any suggestions on how to reply to this? Thanks for all your input thus far!!

Hi Tony,

I realize that this is not your choosing, and you don’t

have any problem with all of us being together. I hope you can understand why

we do not wish to participate at family/group functions together, unless we are

also pro-actively resuming our relationship with you on an individual basis as

well? We feel strongly that family functions and group gatherings are not a way

for us to forge ahead in re-establishing and maintaining a true family

relationship from this point forward.

Dad and I will be very happy of course in ALL of us being together

at a function, provided that all of our goals continue to be to see each

other in small family settings, as well as on individual basis as well?

I need to know you are in agreement with what I’ve just

stated before we can make our final decision about Christie’s party, as

well as any other future family gatherings.

I’d also like to mention that this agreement of course

is based on the understanding that none of us will do something to cause a new

problem in the relationship. Barring the unforeseen, and that you state you are

also in agreement with what I’ve stated, then I think we can and

should all be present at the same time as a family on this very special occasion

for Christie and .

Love, Mom

Re: Returning home

Oh jeeze Tony.......this is such crap!!! I'm just amazed that your

aunt got invoved in your family BS and that your dad went that far

to pull ranks.

This crap happens in my family as well. Its like all the books

say....we are given a position or rank in the family and if we dare

set boundaries or have a different way of seeing things then we are

attacked.

My nada is classic in shoving shit under the rug......its ok for her

to bring up the past and shove it up your nose but by God no one

else dare!!!

I think your dad just is seeing how many hoops you will jump through

to forgive and forget and forget...... they want back in your life

without having to look at themselves or without having to change

themselves. They are looking to you to get back into rank.....to

shut up and put up as for the sake of " family " .

Its kind of like beating a dog into submission.. ..Oh I could

scream...... drlingirl

>

> Well,

> My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

to them before i left.

>

> Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that my

dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

>

> I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my

grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he would

be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting upset

and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want to

have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to make

this work, and i told him i dont know,

> and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

>

> so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i get

an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the family

thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my dad

wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-

8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, and

i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on wednesday

to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

keeping me from seeing my

> grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> T

>

>

>

>

>

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Your attendance at family gatherings and your relationship with your parents are

2 very different things.  If you are invited and want to go, then go...end of

story.  There should not be all this triangulation within the family.  You are

either invited or not and will either go or not regardless of others.   Too much

energy is being out into this situation by your other family members....who's

invited, who's going, when each will be there, etc.  All are adults here and the

behavior needs to demonstrate that, which is so far from what is currently

happening.  The only people that need to know that you will grace them with your

presence are those who invited you.  And without discussion of times.  You will

get there when it works for you and they can be grateful that you made it to

your function.  Your parents can make their own decisions based on their motives

and not use you as a scapegoat.  Let them be responsible for their own

decisions. 

PERIOD!

 

Take Care Of You,

JaneSoul

Re: Returning home

Oh jeeze Tony.......this is such crap!!!  I'm just amazed that your

aunt got invoved in your family BS and that your dad went that far

to pull ranks.

This crap happens in my family as well.  Its like all the books

say....we are given a position or rank in the family and if we dare

set boundaries or have a different way of seeing things then we are

attacked.

My nada is classic in shoving shit under the rug......its ok for her

to bring up the past and shove it up your nose but by God no one

else dare!!!

I think your dad just is seeing how many hoops you will jump through

to forgive and forget and forget...... they want back in your life

without having to look at themselves or without having to change

themselves.  They are looking to you to get back into rank.....to

shut up and put up as for the sake of " family " .

Its kind of like beating a dog into submission.. ..Oh I could

scream...... drlingirl

>

> Well,

> My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

incredible.  We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

toured practically the whole country, it was great.  Well, prior to

leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

periodically, as did my dad and I.  I even called and said goodbye

to them before i left.

>

> Well.....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

important.  When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

it would be better if i didnt go.  I asked why, and she said that my

dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

important to have my dad there then me.  I ask here where this is

coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

things have been getting better.  she says that he doesnt want a

relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

togethers, he wants more then that.  So after much discussion with

my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

>

> I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was?  He said it

hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

not go.  I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my

grandmas thing without seeing me first.  and started saying he would

be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

things, and started bringing things up again.  He kept getting upset

and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

mom that did most of the wrongs.  he did apologize for barging into

my house, but that was it.  He started crying and asked if i want to

have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to make

this work, and i told him i dont know,

>  and got off the phone.  i find it funny he said he would do

anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

>

> so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for.  now i get

an evite for my cousins engagement party.  quickly following it was

an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the family

thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my dad

wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-

8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10.  I think this is so ridiculous, and

i dont know what to do.  I already agreed to see my mom on wednesday

to show her pictures, which i am nervous about.  i just dont know

how to handle this anymore.  I was on the right track trying to get

things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing.  i

guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

keeping me from seeing my

>  grandma on her 80th bday.  anyone have any thoughts or

suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> T

>

>

>

>

>

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Good response (letter) QZ!

 

Take Care Of You,

JaneSoul

Re: Returning home

So basically, both your parents are trying to blackmail you into

spending time with them on their terms. If you don't " resume " your

relationship with them when they want and to the extent that they

want, they will either refuse to appear at family functions or more

likely pressure you directly or indirectly into abstaining from family

functions. By threatening to oust you from your own extended family,

they're saying " my way or the highway. "

This is neither reasonable nor compassionate. Quite the opposite, it's

pretty disrespectful of your needs and feelings. They're letting you

know loud and clear that they don't care whether you want to attend

extended family events, they don't care how often you want to spend

time with them. Not only that, they're predicating this whole thing on

" none of us causing a problem in this new relationship. " So if your

wife wants to spend a quiet weekend with you but your parents want you

to come over, would your wife be " causing a problem " in the " new

relationship " ? You bet. And then guess who'll be punished?

You don't deserve this kind of nonsense. Here's what I might say in

response:

Dear Mom,

I am glad you are interested in being together. As you know, family

functions are intended for all members of the family. As such, asking

family members to exclude particular members of the family is

counter-productive and runs counter to the spirit and purpose of a

family function. If you would like to attend family functions to which

we are all invited, by all means please do. I am sorry if you feel

pained at seeing us at a joint family function. Considering that you

are interested in continuing our relationship, I would imagine you

would be glad to see me rather than pained. However, you are entitled

to your feelings. I would appreciate your courtesy and sensitivity in

not involving extended family members in your decision to attend

functions or not. This decision is, as I said, entirely up to you and

unrelated to our extended family.

qwerty

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible.. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> to them before i left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that my

> dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my

> grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he would

> be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting upset

> and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want to

> have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to make

> this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-

> 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, and

> i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on wednesday

> to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Kyla, I couldn't have put it better. You rock chick.

Tony,

This is a blatant power play and not a very good one at that. The condesending

tone really got the hairs on the back of my neck up. I second every thing that

Kyla just said, it was outstanding. All I would offer is that you tell your

parents that what they choose to do or not do is entirely up to them and is

solely their choice. You have no part in it. If they are serious about building

a relationship, then they should have no problem celebrating family events WITH

you. This is sad and pathetic. I feel for you and I know how much this hurts and

how discouraging it is. But they are adults and so are you, you do what is best

for you and DON'T let them call the shots. As for the family, you cannot control

their behavior.

Here is what I suspect will happen. Your extrememly dysfunctional parents will

sit out several family events that you will be going to. They will gripe and

grumble about it. They will try to make YOU out to be the bad guy, but in the

end will end up looking childish. Remember this is their loss not yours. They

are choosing to sit out family functions, they have no right to tell you what to

do anymore. If you want to see Grandma, YOU GO SEE GRANDMA. Everyone is afraid

that there will be a big scene, they won't get it from you. 

Bite your tounge everytime some member of the family butts in, and smile a

little smile and reply, " Well you know Mom and Dad are getting up in the years,

I just make allowances for their eccentricies and move on. "

Pretty soon they are going to be all over the next few events like 3 year olds,

because they don't want to miss out. The hard part is yours. Waiting for the

scenairo to play itself out. In fact the next time they tell you that they hope

you " understand " why they are putting you through this, tell them " I understand

perfectly " and leave it at that. In truth you do. Do not cut yourself off from

your family unless that is what is best for you. Take care.

Be strong

Re: Returning home

Tony: See my comments interspersed into your mother's letter:

>

> Any suggestions on how to reply to this? Thanks for all your

input thus far!!

>

>

>

> Hi Tony,

>

> I realize that this is not your choosing, and you don't

> have any problem with all of us being together. I hope you can

understand why

> we do not wish to participate at family/group functions together,

unless we are

> also pro-actively resuming our relationship with you on an

individual basis as

> well? We feel strongly that family functions and group gatherings

are not a way

> for us to forge ahead in re-establishing and maintaining a true

family

> relationship from this point forward. [Tony, you can also feel

STRONGLY that peoples' celebrations aren't to be hijacked and

misused to serve someone else's agenda, and to force you to act the

way they want you to. And how ridiculous is her logic? That family

functions are NOT a place where you can improve your relationship?

This whole paragraph is ridiculous and self-serving. There's really

no answer to that pretzel logic.]

>

> Dad and I will be very happy of course in ALL of us being together

> at a function, provided that all of our goals continue to be to

see each

> other in small family settings, as well as on individual basis as

well? [Huh? Is that blackmail? It doesn't even really make

sense.]

>

> I need to know you are in agreement with what I've just

> stated before we can make our final decision about Christie's

party, as

> well as any other future family gatherings. [What exactly did she

just say? That you can't state your boundaries? I'm surprised she

didn't make a list of acceptable behavior she will demand from you.]

>

> I'd also like to mention that this agreement of course

> is based on the understanding that none of us will do something to

cause a new problem in the relationship. Barring the unforeseen, and

that you state you are

> also in agreement with what I've stated, then I think we can and

> should all be present at the same time as a family on this very

special occasion

> for Christie and . [Yes, you CAN AND SHOULD BE PRESENT AT THE

SAME TIME AS A FAMILY FOR CHRISTIE AND BRIAN, and GRANDMA -- WITHOUT

MAKING EXTORTIONIST DEMANDS!]

>

>

> Love, Mom >>>>>

Tony -- This is filled with booby traps. Note how she keeps her

role in rebuilding the relationship quite ambiguous. It seems like

she thinks she's triumphed by dis-inviting you to two parties -- so

she's casting herself as the benevolent peacemaker and offering you

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in exchange for you just reverting back to being

her obedient lapdog.

I would respond briefly and to the point: that parties aren't to be

hijacked to serve other people's agendas and you won't be a party to

that; that you're a family member and see no reason why you should

be cut out of family celebrations, but if that's how the party hosts

feel, there's not much you can do about it (message: their choices

to uninvite me are unfortunate, but I'll go on with my life).

Your parents don't have the power to keep you away from the rest of

the family. They can't dangle that as an inducement to act like

they want you to. If the rest of the family goes along with their

wishes, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. THEY ARE AS SICK AS

YOUR PARENTS, AND YOU CAN'T PAY OFF YOUR BLACKMAILERS.

>

> Do you think and want you at their engagement

party? Were you invited? Then GO! My therapist helped me when I

had to walk into my dad's retirement party and I was afraid my

mother would corner me and boo hoo about her mother's recent

passing. My therapist told me " Remember why you're there -- to

honor your dad, not to be used by your mother for her emotional

needs. "

By the same token, remember the purpose of the celebration, and

ignore your parents' attempts to use them for emotional blackmail.

If your aunt chose to do your dad's dirty work and disrespect your

grandmother by disinviting you then SHAME ON HER. She's as wrong as

your dad, but again, there's nothing you can do about what behaviors

people choose. You can only call it what it is, and move on with

your own life.

You've got a nest of personality disordered family members, my

friend. It's always good not to get all bogged down in details, and

just remember that the overriding principle is they won't take

responsibility, and they obviously aren't changing. It really has

nothing to do with engagement parties, birthday parties, who's

driving, dogs vs. cats, blondes vs. brunettes, or any other

intricate issue they try to throw your way to get your attention.

Keep your eyes on the ball -- they're still emotionally blackmailing

you.

I'd keep any response brief and just address that you're going to

the party because you wish to honor your cousin and you were invited

by your cousin. As for the other things, you can tell your

mother " If you and dad are truly interested in building a

relationship with me, they'll have polite, warm, loving

interactions with me when we see each other. We'll respect each

others right to live our own lives. "

If you try to get bogged down in arguing every point, you've given

them a lot of what they wanted: to get you on the defensive (a

subordinate position to them) and to get you talking. Just keep it

brief and to the point -- that you hope to see them there and look

forward to the party.

-Kyla

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Spot on.

Re: Returning home

So basically, both your parents are trying to blackmail you into

spending time with them on their terms. If you don't " resume " your

relationship with them when they want and to the extent that they

want, they will either refuse to appear at family functions or more

likely pressure you directly or indirectly into abstaining from family

functions. By threatening to oust you from your own extended family,

they're saying " my way or the highway. "

This is neither reasonable nor compassionate. Quite the opposite, it's

pretty disrespectful of your needs and feelings. They're letting you

know loud and clear that they don't care whether you want to attend

extended family events, they don't care how often you want to spend

time with them. Not only that, they're predicating this whole thing on

" none of us causing a problem in this new relationship. " So if your

wife wants to spend a quiet weekend with you but your parents want you

to come over, would your wife be " causing a problem " in the " new

relationship " ? You bet. And then guess who'll be punished?

You don't deserve this kind of nonsense. Here's what I might say in

response:

Dear Mom,

I am glad you are interested in being together. As you know, family

functions are intended for all members of the family. As such, asking

family members to exclude particular members of the family is

counter-productive and runs counter to the spirit and purpose of a

family function. If you would like to attend family functions to which

we are all invited, by all means please do. I am sorry if you feel

pained at seeing us at a joint family function. Considering that you

are interested in continuing our relationship, I would imagine you

would be glad to see me rather than pained. However, you are entitled

to your feelings. I would appreciate your courtesy and sensitivity in

not involving extended family members in your decision to attend

functions or not. This decision is, as I said, entirely up to you and

unrelated to our extended family.

qwerty

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> to them before i left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that my

> dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> things have been getting better.. she says that he doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my

> grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he would

> be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> things, and started bringing things up again.. He kept getting upset

> and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want to

> have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to make

> this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-

> 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, and

> i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on wednesday

> to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Tony, I hate to say this, but seriously, I would ignore them. I'd skip the

next couple parties and go see the people you want to see. I'd let them know

by saying nothing that their blackmail isn't working. Youve said what you

have to say and they are upping the ante and trying to get you to

emotionally engage. I'd say nothing and play a couple of games of

raquetball or basketball in the time you would have spent, or do something

else that you love soooo much you completely forget they exist. I swear that

when you forget they exist, they can feel it inside their narcissitic

membranes.

> Spot on.

>

>

>

> Re: Returning home

>

>

> So basically, both your parents are trying to blackmail you into

> spending time with them on their terms. If you don't " resume " your

> relationship with them when they want and to the extent that they

> want, they will either refuse to appear at family functions or more

> likely pressure you directly or indirectly into abstaining from family

> functions. By threatening to oust you from your own extended family,

> they're saying " my way or the highway. "

>

> This is neither reasonable nor compassionate. Quite the opposite, it's

> pretty disrespectful of your needs and feelings. They're letting you

> know loud and clear that they don't care whether you want to attend

> extended family events, they don't care how often you want to spend

> time with them. Not only that, they're predicating this whole thing on

> " none of us causing a problem in this new relationship. " So if your

> wife wants to spend a quiet weekend with you but your parents want you

> to come over, would your wife be " causing a problem " in the " new

> relationship " ? You bet. And then guess who'll be punished?

>

> You don't deserve this kind of nonsense. Here's what I might say in

> response:

>

> Dear Mom,

>

> I am glad you are interested in being together. As you know, family

> functions are intended for all members of the family. As such, asking

> family members to exclude particular members of the family is

> counter-productive and runs counter to the spirit and purpose of a

> family function. If you would like to attend family functions to which

> we are all invited, by all means please do. I am sorry if you feel

> pained at seeing us at a joint family function. Considering that you

> are interested in continuing our relationship, I would imagine you

> would be glad to see me rather than pained. However, you are entitled

> to your feelings. I would appreciate your courtesy and sensitivity in

> not involving extended family members in your decision to attend

> functions or not. This decision is, as I said, entirely up to you and

> unrelated to our extended family.

>

> qwerty

>

>

> > >

> > > Well,

> > > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> > incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> > toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> > leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> > mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> > periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> > to them before i left.

> > >

> > > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> > sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> > important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> > bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> > it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that my

> > dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> > important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> > coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> > things have been getting better.. she says that he doesnt want a

> > relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> > togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> > my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> > >

> > > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> > hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> > relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> > not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> > things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my

> > grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he would

> > be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> > forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> > tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> > things, and started bringing things up again.. He kept getting upset

> > and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> > mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> > my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want to

> > have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to make

> > this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> > anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> > >

> > > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i get

> > an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> > an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the family

> > thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my dad

> > wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> > they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-

> > 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, and

> > i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on wednesday

> > to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> > how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> > things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> > guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> > write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> > and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> > keeping me from seeing my

> > > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> > suggestions?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > T

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Tony,

I would reply with the following:

" Dear Mom,

I will be attending Christie's party. It is your decision whether or not you

choose to attend.

We are all adults here and should not be giving ultimatiums concerning another

family member's party. I find this behavior of yours very inappropriate,

controlling, and selfish on your part.

It appears that you have lost sight of the importance of family.

Sincerely,

Tony "

tony messina wrote:

Any suggestions on how to reply to this? Thanks for all your input thus far!!

Hi Tony,

I realize that this is not your choosing, and you don’t

have any problem with all of us being together. I hope you can understand why

we do not wish to participate at family/group functions together, unless we are

also pro-actively resuming our relationship with you on an individual basis as

well? We feel strongly that family functions and group gatherings are not a way

for us to forge ahead in re-establishing and maintaining a true family

relationship from this point forward.

Dad and I will be very happy of course in ALL of us being together

at a function, provided that all of our goals continue to be to see each

other in small family settings, as well as on individual basis as well?

I need to know you are in agreement with what I’ve just

stated before we can make our final decision about Christie’s party, as

well as any other future family gatherings.

I’d also like to mention that this agreement of course

is based on the understanding that none of us will do something to cause a new

problem in the relationship. Barring the unforeseen, and that you state you are

also in agreement with what I’ve stated, then I think we can and

should all be present at the same time as a family on this very special occasion

for Christie and .

Love, Mom

Re: Returning home

Oh jeeze Tony.......this is such crap!!! I'm just amazed that your

aunt got invoved in your family BS and that your dad went that far

to pull ranks.

This crap happens in my family as well. Its like all the books

say....we are given a position or rank in the family and if we dare

set boundaries or have a different way of seeing things then we are

attacked.

My nada is classic in shoving shit under the rug......its ok for her

to bring up the past and shove it up your nose but by God no one

else dare!!!

I think your dad just is seeing how many hoops you will jump through

to forgive and forget and forget...... they want back in your life

without having to look at themselves or without having to change

themselves. They are looking to you to get back into rank.....to

shut up and put up as for the sake of " family " .

Its kind of like beating a dog into submission.. ..Oh I could

scream...... drlingirl

>

> Well,

> My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

to them before i left.

>

> Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that my

dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

>

> I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my

grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he would

be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting upset

and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want to

have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to make

this work, and i told him i dont know,

> and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

>

> so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i get

an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the family

thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my dad

wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-

8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, and

i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on wednesday

to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

keeping me from seeing my

> grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> T

>

>

>

>

>

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Thank you everyone that has helped me through this. I feel like just when i

think i am getting my life together, and things are going ok, my parents find a

way to suck me right back down. Right now I am going back and forth between

sending a short response, or not sending anything at all. Another problem I

have, is I already set up meeting my mom for dinner tomorrow night to show her

my vacation pictures, before any of this happend i set this up, and now i am

wondering if I should still go and just not mention anything about this email,

or cancel on her, which i know will cause more drama. Once again, I am put in a

situation that i feel backed into with no clear escape.

Thanks again to everyones support, this group has seriously been a life saver

over the last year.

Tony

Re: Returning home

Oh jeeze Tony.......this is such crap!!! I'm just amazed that your

aunt got invoved in your family BS and that your dad went that far

to pull ranks.

This crap happens in my family as well. Its like all the books

say....we are given a position or rank in the family and if we dare

set boundaries or have a different way of seeing things then we are

attacked.

My nada is classic in shoving shit under the rug......its ok for her

to bring up the past and shove it up your nose but by God no one

else dare!!!

I think your dad just is seeing how many hoops you will jump through

to forgive and forget and forget...... they want back in your life

without having to look at themselves or without having to change

themselves. They are looking to you to get back into rank.....to

shut up and put up as for the sake of " family " .

Its kind of like beating a dog into submission.. ..Oh I could

scream...... drlingirl

>

> Well,

> My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

to them before i left.

>

> Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that my

dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

>

> I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my

grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he would

be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting upset

and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want to

have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to make

this work, and i told him i dont know,

> and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

>

> so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i get

an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the family

thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my dad

wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-

8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, and

i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on wednesday

to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

keeping me from seeing my

> grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> T

>

>

>

>

>

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This is to Bink - I " m too lazy to find the old thread.

So you said yesterday that your best friend didn't return your calls for a

week and a half and so you went to his house. Now, I think that is weird on

HIS end, not yours. Why wouldn't he take your calls? I don't think you did

anything wrong, but if you are really close to them you should at least text

back and say " can't talk, I'm out of town " or explain what's up. My best

friends all know in advance when I'm going to be out of pocket for a while.

But if they didn't know, I'd text them and tell them or send a note or

something.

Just wanted you to consider the other side.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:59 AM, bink1227

wrote:

> holy crap your parents are completely insane and your family is

> enabling them. if it were me, and this is just me, i wouldn't have

> even responded to that aunt's voice mail.

>

> this is especially crazy since i remember your grandmother wanting you

> to work it out with your father so badly. this really pisses me off.

> i wouldn't even respond to your cousin's email and then just show up

> whenever you want to. your dad just wants more and more and more and

> it's ridiculous! it's ok to see you BEFORE the party, but not DURING

> the party? WTF?!?! THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!!

>

> bink

>

>

>

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my mom

> i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk periodically,

> as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye to them before i

> left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt it

> would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that my dad

> says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more important

> to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is coming from,

> cause my dad and I have been talking recently and things have been

> getting better. she says that he doesnt want a relationship with his

> son that he only sees him at family get togethers, he wants more then

> that. So after much discussion with my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would not

> go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting things

> back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my grandmas

> thing without seeing me first. and started saying he would be willing

> to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to forget everything

> that has happend. I told him that last time we tried doing that, that

> they couldnt last a week with " forgetting " things, and started

> bringing things up again. He kept getting upset and saying he doesnt

> understand why i am mad at him when it was my mom that did most of the

> wrongs. he did apologize for barging into my house, but that was it.

> He started crying and asked if i want to have a relationship with

> him, and he will do anything for me to make this work, and i told him

> i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was an

> email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so they

> want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-8:30,

> and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, and i dont

> know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on wednesday to show

> her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know how to

> handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get things

> back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i guess the

> reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual write me an

> apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her. and i want to

> just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Tony,

   Do you think, if she doesn't get any response, that she would cancel your

dinner date out of discomfort?  Has she cancels things in similar situations

before? 

 

Take Care Of You,

JaneSoul

Re: Returning home

Oh jeeze Tony.......this is such crap!!! I'm just amazed that your

aunt got invoved in your family BS and that your dad went that far

to pull ranks.

This crap happens in my family as well. Its like all the books

say.....we are given a position or rank in the family and if we dare

set boundaries or have a different way of seeing things then we are

attacked.

My nada is classic in shoving shit under the rug......its ok for her

to bring up the past and shove it up your nose but by God no one

else dare!!!

I think your dad just is seeing how many hoops you will jump through

to forgive and forget and forget...... they want back in your life

without having to look at themselves or without having to change

themselves. They are looking to you to get back into rank.....to

shut up and put up as for the sake of " family " .

Its kind of like beating a dog into submission.. ..Oh I could

scream...... drlingirl

>

> Well,

> My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

to them before i left.

>

> Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that my

dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

>

> I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my

grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he would

be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting upset

and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want to

have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to make

this work, and i told him i dont know,

> and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

>

> so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i get

an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the family

thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my dad

wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-

8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, and

i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on wednesday

to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

keeping me from seeing my

> grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> T

>

>

>

>

>

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Tony,

The letter was spot on....and you held your own!!

Malinda

To: WTOAdultChildren1@...: kylaboo728@...: Wed, 16 Jul

2008 02:02:09 +0000Subject: Re: Returning home

Great post -- I loved your letter to " mom " -- short without engaging her in her

game.Very, very good ---Kyla> > >> > >

Well,> > > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was > >

incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and > > toured

practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to > > leaving, i know

i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my > > mom i didnt want to do

therapy yet, but we continued to talk > > periodically, as did my dad and I. I

even called and said goodbye > > to them before i left.> > > > > > Well....when

i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's > > sister), telling me to

call as soon as i could, that it was very > > important. When i called, she told

me that they were having a 80th > > bday party for my grandma on sunday

(yesterday), and that she felt > > it would be better if i didnt go. I asked

why, and she said that > my > > dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they

feel it is more > > important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where

this is > > coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and > >

things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a > > relationship

with his son that he only sees him at family get > > togethers, he wants more

then that. So after much discussion with > > my aunt, i finally got off the

phone.> > > > > > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said

it > > hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a > >

relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would > > not go. I

told him i thought we were making progress and getting > > things back to

normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to my > > grandmas thing without

seeing me first. and started saying he > would > > be willing to see me today

(saturday), and he just wants us to > > forget everything that has happend. I

told him that last time we > > tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week

with " forgetting " > > things, and started bringing things up again. He kept

getting > upset > > and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it

was my > > mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into >

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want > to > > have

a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to > make > > this work,

and i told him i dont know,> > > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said

he would do > > anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.> > > > >

> so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i > get > > an

evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was > > an email to

me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the > family > > thinks we both

should be able to go to this party, but since my dad > > wont be there when i am

there, we need to work something out, so > > they want to split the time up

between us, so my dad will go from 7-> > 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I

think this is so ridiculous, > and > > i dont know what to do. I already agreed

to see my mom on > wednesday > > to show her pictures, which i am nervous about.

i just dont know > > how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying

to get > > things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i > >

guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual > > write me

an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her. > > and i want to just

punish my dad now for pulling this shit and > > keeping me from seeing my> > >

grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or > > suggestions?> > > > >

> Thanks,> > > T> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

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This is what i decided to send her, after talking to my therapist. I am sure

she wont be happy, and i dont feel like they deserve the nice email, but tell me

what you think. Thanks.

Hey Mom,

I have been trying my best to re-establish our contact, at

the pace that felt comfortable to me. I am not capable of just jumping

right back into the water, I need to wade back into our relationship.

I want just as badly as you do to regain our relationship, but my way

of being able to do this is by doing it at a slow, careful pace. I am

sorry if this is not the plan of attack that you wish to take, but I

fear that if we rush into things too quickly, we may slip back to where

we were. Hopefully you can understand these feelings.

For

tomorrow, I think that it maybe best if we postpone our dinner. I am

feeling like I am starting to get sick, I need to work late tomorrow,

and I have a lot of feelings stirred up right now and I just don't

think it is a good combination for us to have a pleasant dinner. I

know this will be disappointing to you but i hope you understand.

Talk to you soon,

Tony

Re: Returning home

Great post -- I loved your letter to " mom " -- short without engaging her in her

game.Very, very good ---Kyla> > >> > > Well,> > > My wife and I just got back from our

vacation, and it was > > incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2

weeks, and > > toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior

to > > leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my > > mom

i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk > > periodically, as

did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye > > to them before i left.> > >

> > > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's > >

sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very > > important.

When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th > > bday party for my

grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt > > it would be better if i

didnt go. I asked why, and she said

that > my > > dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more >

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is > > coming

from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and > > things have been

getting better. she says that he doesnt want a > > relationship with his son

that he only sees him at family get > > togethers, he wants more then that. So

after much discussion with > > my aunt, i finally got off the phone.> > > > > >

I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it > > hurts him

too much to see me and know that we dont have a > > relationship, and that i

could go to the bday party, but he would > > not go. I told him i thought we

were making progress and getting > > things back to normal, and he said we were,

but he wouldnt go to my > > grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started

saying he > would > > be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants

us to > > forget

everything that has happend. I told him that last time we > > tried doing that,

that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting " > > things, and started bringing

things up again. He kept getting > upset > > and saying he doesnt understand why

i am mad at him when it was my > > mom that did most of the wrongs. he did

apologize for barging into > > my house, but that was it. He started crying and

asked if i want > to > > have a relationship with him, and he will do anything

for me to > make > > this work, and i told him i dont know,> > > and got off the

phone. i find it funny he said he would do > > anything, except, let me go to my

grandmas bday party.> > > > > > so i ended up not going, which i am very

resentful for. now i > get > > an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly

following it was > > an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that

the > family > > thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

dad > > wont be

there when i am there, we need to work something out, so > > they want to split

the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-> > 8:30, and we will go 8:30

to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, > and > > i dont know what to do. I

already agreed to see my mom on > wednesday > > to show her pictures, which i am

nervous about. i just dont know > > how to handle this anymore. I was on the

right track trying to get > > things back to normal, and for no reason it all

came crashing. i > > guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did

actual > > write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her. > >

and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and > > keeping me

from seeing my> > > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or > >

suggestions?> > > > > > Thanks,> > > T> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text

portions of this message have been removed]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Take Care Of You,

JaneSoul

Re: Returning home

Great post -- I loved your letter to " mom " -- short without engaging her in her

game.Very, very good ---Kyla> > >> > > Well,> > > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and

it was > > incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and > >

toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to > > leaving,

i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my > > mom i didnt want to

do therapy yet, but we continued to talk > > periodically, as did my dad and I.

I even called and said goodbye > > to them before i left.> > > > > >

Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's > > sister),

telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very > > important. When i

called, she told me that they were having a 80th > > bday party for my grandma

on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt > > it would be better if i didnt go. I

asked why, and she said

that > my > > dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more >

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is > > coming

from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and > > things have been

getting better. she says that he doesnt want a > > relationship with his son

that he only sees him at family get > > togethers, he wants more then that. So

after much discussion with > > my aunt, i finally got off the phone.> > > > > >

I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it > > hurts him

too much to see me and know that we dont have a > > relationship, and that i

could go to the bday party, but he would > > not go. I told him i thought we

were making progress and getting > > things back to normal, and he said we were,

but he wouldnt go to my > > grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started

saying he > would > > be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants

us to > > forget

everything that has happend. I told him that last time we > > tried doing that,

that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting " > > things, and started bringing

things up again. He kept getting > upset > > and saying he doesnt understand why

i am mad at him when it was my > > mom that did most of the wrongs. he did

apologize for barging into > > my house, but that was it. He started crying and

asked if i want > to > > have a relationship with him, and he will do anything

for me to > make > > this work, and i told him i dont know,> > > and got off the

phone. i find it funny he said he would do > > anything, except, let me go to my

grandmas bday party.> > > > > > so i ended up not going, which i am very

resentful for. now i > get > > an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly

following it was > > an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that

the > family > > thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

dad > > wont be

there when i am there, we need to work something out, so > > they want to split

the time up between us, so my dad will go from 7-> > 8:30, and we will go 8:30

to 10. I think this is so ridiculous, > and > > i dont know what to do. I

already agreed to see my mom on > wednesday > > to show her pictures, which i am

nervous about.. i just dont know > > how to handle this anymore. I was on the

right track trying to get > > things back to normal, and for no reason it all

came crashing. i > > guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did

actual > > write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her. > >

and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and > > keeping me

from seeing my> > > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or > >

suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks,> > > T> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text

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I agree with Kyla. I would not see your mother for dinner. I would not give in

to her control.

I also throught of emailing your mother a response to her last letter (I hope

it was an email) and cc: your cousin on your response.

This way everyone will see how your parent's are behaving if you leave their

email attached to your response. Since your mother doesn't feel her letter was

inappropriate then she shouldn't mind everyone reading it.

kylaboo728 wrote:

tony -- I would seriously put off seeing your mother until you feel

stronger and are able to withstand their self-serving, personality

disordered " noise " .....Your posts indicate you're too enmeshed and,

perhaps afraid (?) of them. I'd wait until I felt stronger and more

coated with teflon before I walked back into the lion's den. Your

mother will try and bog you down in " issues " and situations and

ignore the larger theme of them playing emotional hardball with you.

It just doesn't strike me that you won't be blown about by their

wind......You need to gather strength first.

-Kyla

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> to them before i left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

my

> dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

my

> grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

would

> be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

upset

> and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

to

> have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

make

> this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

7-

> 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

and

> i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

wednesday

> to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I agree with ,  by sending the letter to the other family members that

are involving themselves it is a chance to " break the silence " .  When my family

and I started doing this and letting BPD know about us sharing emails, they

stopped, for awhile.  The last thing BPD's want is the silence to be broken

because they'll be " found out " so to speak.  BUT it's the best thing you can do

for yourself and possibily others.

 

Take Care Of You,

JaneSoul

Re: Re: Returning home

I agree with Kyla. I would not see your mother for dinner. I would not give in

to her control.

I also throught of emailing your mother a response to her last letter (I hope it

was an email) and cc: your cousin on your response.

This way everyone will see how your parent's are behaving if you leave their

email attached to your response. Since your mother doesn't feel her letter was

inappropriate then she shouldn't mind everyone reading it.

kylaboo728 <kylaboo728yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

tony -- I would seriously put off seeing your mother until you feel

stronger and are able to withstand their self-serving, personality

disordered " noise " ..... Your posts indicate you're too enmeshed and,

perhaps afraid (?) of them. I'd wait until I felt stronger and more

coated with teflon before I walked back into the lion's den. Your

mother will try and bog you down in " issues " and situations and

ignore the larger theme of them playing emotional hardball with you.

It just doesn't strike me that you won't be blown about by their

wind......You need to gather strength first.

-Kyla

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> to them before i left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

my

> dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

my

> grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

would

> be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

upset

> and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

to

> have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

make

> this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

7-

> 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

and

> i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

wednesday

> to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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YOU can't FORCE them to do anything (argh)!  And you can spend the quality time

they are looking for until things start to heal.  It's like she wants the

quality time on her terms and now. And, once again, the relationship with your

mother and your relationship with the family and THEIR event are SEPARATE!

 

Take Care Of You,

JaneSoul

Re: Re: Returning home

I agree with Kyla. I would not see your mother for dinner. I would not give in

to her control.

I also throught of emailing your mother a response to her last letter (I hope it

was an email) and cc: your cousin on your response.

This way everyone will see how your parent's are behaving if you leave their

email attached to your response. Since your mother doesn't feel her letter was

inappropriate then she shouldn't mind everyone reading it.

kylaboo728 <kylaboo728@ yahoo. com> wrote:

tony -- I would seriously put off seeing your mother until you feel

stronger and are able to withstand their self-serving, personality

disordered " noise " ..... Your posts indicate you're too enmeshed and,

perhaps afraid (?) of them. I'd wait until I felt stronger and more

coated with teflon before I walked back into the lion's den. Your

mother will try and bog you down in " issues " and situations and

ignore the larger theme of them playing emotional hardball with you.

It just doesn't strike me that you won't be blown about by their

wind......You need to gather strength first.

-Kyla

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> to them before i left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

my

> dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

my

> grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

would

> be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

upset

> and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

to

> have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

make

> this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

7-

> 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

and

> i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

wednesday

> to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I feel like by sending my mom's email to others, it would be stooping to their

level, and really wouldnt accomplish anything but make me look just as guilty as

they do. And be doing exactly what i am upset that they are doing, talking to

other family members about our situation?

Re: Re: Returning home

I agree with Kyla. I would not see your mother for dinner. I would not give in

to her control.

I also throught of emailing your mother a response to her last letter (I hope it

was an email) and cc: your cousin on your response.

This way everyone will see how your parent's are behaving if you leave their

email attached to your response. Since your mother doesn't feel her letter was

inappropriate then she shouldn't mind everyone reading it.

kylaboo728 <kylaboo728@ yahoo. com> wrote:

tony -- I would seriously put off seeing your mother until you feel

stronger and are able to withstand their self-serving, personality

disordered " noise " ..... Your posts indicate you're too enmeshed and,

perhaps afraid (?) of them. I'd wait until I felt stronger and more

coated with teflon before I walked back into the lion's den. Your

mother will try and bog you down in " issues " and situations and

ignore the larger theme of them playing emotional hardball with you.

It just doesn't strike me that you won't be blown about by their

wind......You need to gather strength first.

-Kyla

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> to them before i left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

my

> dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

my

> grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

would

> be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

upset

> and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

to

> have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

make

> this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

7-

> 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

and

> i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

wednesday

> to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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PERFECT, again!

You really know how to put your thoughts/feelings into words and use them

properly...without attack, name calling, shaming, etc.

I honestly don't know what could be better!

 

Take Care Of You,

JaneSoul

Re: Re: Returning home

>

> I agree with Kyla. I would not see your mother for dinner. I would not give

> in to her control.

>

> I also throught of emailing your mother a response to her last letter (I

> hope it was an email) and cc: your cousin on your response.

>

> This way everyone will see how your parent's are behaving if you leave

> their email attached to your response. Since your mother doesn't feel her

> letter was inappropriate then she shouldn't mind everyone reading it.

>

> kylaboo728 <kylaboo728@ yahoo. com> wrote:

> tony -- I would seriously put off seeing your mother until you feel

> stronger and are able to withstand their self-serving, personality

> disordered " noise " ..... Your posts indicate you're too enmeshed and,

> perhaps afraid (?) of them. I'd wait until I felt stronger and more

> coated with teflon before I walked back into the lion's den. Your

> mother will try and bog you down in " issues " and situations and

> ignore the larger theme of them playing emotional hardball with you.

>

> It just doesn't strike me that you won't be blown about by their

> wind......You need to gather strength first.

>

> -Kyla

>

> > >

> > > Well,

> > > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> > incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> > toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> > leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> > mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> > periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> > to them before i left.

> > >

> > > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> > sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> > important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> > bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> > it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

> my

> > dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> > important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> > coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> > things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> > relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> > togethers, he wants more then that.. So after much discussion with

> > my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> > >

> > > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> > hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> > relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> > not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> > things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

> my

> > grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

> would

> > be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> > forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> > tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> > things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

> upset

> > and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> > mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> > my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

> to

> > have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

> make

> > this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> > anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> > >

> > > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

> get

> > an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> > an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

> family

> > thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

> dad

> > wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> > they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

> 7-

> > 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

> and

> > i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

> wednesday

> > to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> > how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> > things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> > guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> > write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> > and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> > keeping me from seeing my

> > > grandma on her 80th bday.. anyone have any thoughts or

> > suggestions?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > T

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Had to make a correction, from can to can't

oops

Re: Re: Returning home

I agree with Kyla. I would not see your mother for dinner. I would not give in

to her control.

I also throught of emailing your mother a response to her last letter (I hope it

was an email) and cc: your cousin on your response.

This way everyone will see how your parent's are behaving if you leave their

email attached to your response. Since your mother doesn't feel her letter was

inappropriate then she shouldn't mind everyone reading it.

kylaboo728 <kylaboo728@ yahoo. com> wrote:

tony -- I would seriously put off seeing your mother until you feel

stronger and are able to withstand their self-serving, personality

disordered " noise " ..... Your posts indicate you're too enmeshed and,

perhaps afraid (?) of them. I'd wait until I felt stronger and more

coated with teflon before I walked back into the lion's den. Your

mother will try and bog you down in " issues " and situations and

ignore the larger theme of them playing emotional hardball with you.

It just doesn't strike me that you won't be blown about by their

wind......You need to gather strength first.

-Kyla

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> to them before i left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

my

> dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

my

> grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

would

> be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

upset

> and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

to

> have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

make

> this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

7-

> 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

and

> i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

wednesday

> to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I understand completely.  I felt the same way, but also desperately needed

someone...anyone to understand my situation.  If the family members are already

involved maybe this would help them to see things more clearly too..  I'm

definately not suggesting a smear campaign...that is self defeating.  BUT, I am

suggesting breaking the silence because many times the BPD's will lose their

unhealthy manners and venom (for lack of a better word).  It is very empowering

and it seems to me that your mom is discussing this with everyone anyway...but

on her terms and in her language.  It gives you a voice and minimizes all the

triangulation that is happening right now.  OF COURSE, do what is right by you! 

This is just what helped me in a similar situation.  I ended up going to the

family event (in my case, a wedding).  I said hello to my mom, kissed her on the

cheek and completely ignored her when she 'started in'.  I sat across the room

at another

table.  She, apparantly, left early.  I stayed

til the end and enjoyed my cousins union with his wife.  There was SO MUCH

tension in the family before the event, but I decided to take the stance on what

was best for me and my family, not my BPD, and am very proud of myself for doing

what was right by me.

Sorry that got so long.

 

Take Care Of You,

JaneSoul

Re: Re: Returning home

I agree with Kyla. I would not see your mother for dinner. I would not give in

to her control.

I also throught of emailing your mother a response to her last letter (I hope it

was an email) and cc: your cousin on your response.

This way everyone will see how your parent's are behaving if you leave their

email attached to your response. Since your mother doesn't feel her letter was

inappropriate then she shouldn't mind everyone reading it.

kylaboo728 <kylaboo728@ yahoo. com> wrote:

tony -- I would seriously put off seeing your mother until you feel

stronger and are able to withstand their self-serving, personality

disordered " noise " ..... Your posts indicate you're too enmeshed and,

perhaps afraid (?) of them. I'd wait until I felt stronger and more

coated with teflon before I walked back into the lion's den. Your

mother will try and bog you down in " issues " and situations and

ignore the larger theme of them playing emotional hardball with you.

It just doesn't strike me that you won't be blown about by their

wind......You need to gather strength first.

-Kyla

> >

> > Well,

> > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> to them before i left.

> >

> > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

my

> dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> >

> > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

my

> grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

would

> be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

upset

> and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

to

> have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

make

> this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> >

> > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

get

> an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

family

> thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

dad

> wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

7-

> 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

and

> i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

wednesday

> to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> keeping me from seeing my

> > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Yes, you are owning your feelings, taking responsibility for your actions ONLY,

and making them be responsibile for theirs.  You are truly the adult in this

situation....MAINTAIN! and CONGRATS, I think you are handling this so WELL!

 

Take Care Of You,

JaneSoul

Re: Returning home

BAD ASS EMAIL. also, it's great how you highlighted that your parents

don't get to decide who other people invite to a party. totally true.

bink

> > > >

> > > > Well,

> > > > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> > > incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> > > toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> > > leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> > > mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> > > periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> > > to them before i left.

> > > >

> > > > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> > > sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> > > important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> > > bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> > > it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

> > my

> > > dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> > > important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> > > coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> > > things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> > > relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> > > togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> > > my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> > > >

> > > > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> > > hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> > > relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> > > not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> > > things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

> > my

> > > grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

> > would

> > > be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> > > forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> > > tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> > > things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

> > upset

> > > and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> > > mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> > > my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

> > to

> > > have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

> > make

> > > this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > > > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> > > anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> > > >

> > > > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

> > get

> > > an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> > > an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

> > family

> > > thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

> > dad

> > > wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> > > they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

> > 7-

> > > 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

> > and

> > > i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

> > wednesday

> > > to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> > > how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> > > things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> > > guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> > > write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> > > and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> > > keeping me from seeing my

> > > > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> > > suggestions?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > T

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Do you think I should send the email to my parents? I just got this email from

my cousin now:

Well it appears that we are back to the time shifts. I must admit I was

surprised to hear this. I am again sorry that it seems like things are not

progressing like was hoped. Not sure what did or did not happen but I imagine

at the magnitude to where your relationship was that there is no magic fix but

that it will take a lot of time and effort from all parties involved. I know I

have mentioned the following to some of you and I am sure you have heard it from

others but maybe you guys need a professional party involved? I have access to

family counselor referrals if you would like. From talking to all of you it

seems like you guys all want the same result it is just getting there and

healing the past that might be stopping you from getting there. Maybe a

professional can help this?

Well that was my uninvited 2 cents. Hey maybe at the very least you guys could

rally together in disliking me?

Now as far as the shifts at first I mentioned 7:00 - 8:30 and 8:30 - 10:00. The

overlap was brought up so I guess that really makes the shifts 7:00-8:20 and

8:40-10:00. Although the other factor is that I doubt the party will end at

10:00. Live music starts at the bar around 9:00. I imagine some, in particular

the cousins and younger folks, will stay later to hang at the bar. Considering

this maybe the shifts should fairly be 7:00 - 8:50 and 9:00 - ???? . Thoughts?

(Sorry because of my job I have be come really pragmatic!)

I love you all very much and keep you guys in my prayers!

Re: Returning home

BAD ASS EMAIL. also, it's great how you highlighted that your parents

don't get to decide who other people invite to a party. totally true.

bink

> > > >

> > > > Well,

> > > > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> > > incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> > > toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> > > leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> > > mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> > > periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> > > to them before i left.

> > > >

> > > > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> > > sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> > > important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> > > bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> > > it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

> > my

> > > dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> > > important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> > > coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> > > things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> > > relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> > > togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> > > my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> > > >

> > > > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> > > hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> > > relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> > > not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> > > things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

> > my

> > > grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

> > would

> > > be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> > > forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> > > tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> > > things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

> > upset

> > > and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> > > mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> > > my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

> > to

> > > have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

> > make

> > > this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > > > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> > > anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> > > >

> > > > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

> > get

> > > an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> > > an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

> > family

> > > thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

> > dad

> > > wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> > > they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

> > 7-

> > > 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

> > and

> > > i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

> > wednesday

> > > to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> > > how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> > > things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> > > guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> > > write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> > > and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> > > keeping me from seeing my

> > > > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> > > suggestions?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > T

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Oh geez tony, this is just getting silly. I don't think they are going to

give in on the shifts, because it is getting them attention and sympathy

from other family and friends.

> Do you think I should send the email to my parents? I just got this

> email from my cousin now:

>

> Well it appears that we are back to the time shifts. I must admit I was

> surprised to hear this. I am again sorry that it seems like things are not

> progressing like was hoped. Not sure what did or did not happen but I

> imagine at the magnitude to where your relationship was that there is no

> magic fix but that it will take a lot of time and effort from all parties

> involved. I know I have mentioned the following to some of you and I am sure

> you have heard it from others but maybe you guys need a professional party

> involved? I have access to family counselor referrals if you would like.

> From talking to all of you it seems like you guys all want the same result

> it is just getting there and healing the past that might be stopping you

> from getting there. Maybe a professional can help this?

>

> Well that was my uninvited 2 cents. Hey maybe at the very least you guys

> could rally together in disliking me?

>

> Now as far as the shifts at first I mentioned 7:00 - 8:30 and 8:30 - 10:00.

> The overlap was brought up so I guess that really makes the shifts 7:00-8:20

> and 8:40-10:00. Although the other factor is that I doubt the party will end

> at 10:00. Live music starts at the bar around 9:00. I imagine some, in

> particular the cousins and younger folks, will stay later to hang at the

> bar. Considering this maybe the shifts should fairly be 7:00 - 8:50 and 9:00

> - ???? . Thoughts? (Sorry because of my job I have be come really

> pragmatic!)

>

> I love you all very much and keep you guys in my prayers!

>

> Re: Returning home

>

> BAD ASS EMAIL. also, it's great how you highlighted that your parents

> don't get to decide who other people invite to a party. totally true.

>

> bink

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Well,

> > > > > My wife and I just got back from our vacation, and it was

> > > > incredible. We were in Italy for a little more the 2 weeks, and

> > > > toured practically the whole country, it was great. Well, prior to

> > > > leaving, i know i posted a few times, and i did end up telling my

> > > > mom i didnt want to do therapy yet, but we continued to talk

> > > > periodically, as did my dad and I. I even called and said goodbye

> > > > to them before i left.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well....when i got back, i got a voicemail from my Aunt (dad's

> > > > sister), telling me to call as soon as i could, that it was very

> > > > important. When i called, she told me that they were having a 80th

> > > > bday party for my grandma on sunday (yesterday), and that she felt

> > > > it would be better if i didnt go. I asked why, and she said that

> > > my

> > > > dad says that if i go, he will not go, and they feel it is more

> > > > important to have my dad there then me. I ask here where this is

> > > > coming from, cause my dad and I have been talking recently and

> > > > things have been getting better. she says that he doesnt want a

> > > > relationship with his son that he only sees him at family get

> > > > togethers, he wants more then that. So after much discussion with

> > > > my aunt, i finally got off the phone.

> > > > >

> > > > > I then called my dad and asked him what the deal was? He said it

> > > > hurts him too much to see me and know that we dont have a

> > > > relationship, and that i could go to the bday party, but he would

> > > > not go. I told him i thought we were making progress and getting

> > > > things back to normal, and he said we were, but he wouldnt go to

> > > my

> > > > grandmas thing without seeing me first. and started saying he

> > > would

> > > > be willing to see me today (saturday), and he just wants us to

> > > > forget everything that has happend. I told him that last time we

> > > > tried doing that, that they couldnt last a week with " forgetting "

> > > > things, and started bringing things up again. He kept getting

> > > upset

> > > > and saying he doesnt understand why i am mad at him when it was my

> > > > mom that did most of the wrongs. he did apologize for barging into

> > > > my house, but that was it. He started crying and asked if i want

> > > to

> > > > have a relationship with him, and he will do anything for me to

> > > make

> > > > this work, and i told him i dont know,

> > > > > and got off the phone. i find it funny he said he would do

> > > > anything, except, let me go to my grandmas bday party.

> > > > >

> > > > > so i ended up not going, which i am very resentful for. now i

> > > get

> > > > an evite for my cousins engagement party. quickly following it was

> > > > an email to me and my dad from my cousin, telling us that the

> > > family

> > > > thinks we both should be able to go to this party, but since my

> > > dad

> > > > wont be there when i am there, we need to work something out, so

> > > > they want to split the time up between us, so my dad will go from

> > > 7-

> > > > 8:30, and we will go 8:30 to 10. I think this is so ridiculous,

> > > and

> > > > i dont know what to do. I already agreed to see my mom on

> > > wednesday

> > > > to show her pictures, which i am nervous about. i just dont know

> > > > how to handle this anymore. I was on the right track trying to get

> > > > things back to normal, and for no reason it all came crashing. i

> > > > guess the reason i am meeting with my mom is cause she did actual

> > > > write me an apology for the email finally, so i am rewarding her.

> > > > and i want to just punish my dad now for pulling this shit and

> > > > keeping me from seeing my

> > > > > grandma on her 80th bday. anyone have any thoughts or

> > > > suggestions?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > T

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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May,

Thanks for your honesty. In no way did i take offense to anything you said. I

appreciate having a source where i can go and get unbiased, outside opinions.

I am at such a loss of what to do. My cousin is getting involved, and I know

she is just trying to help, but i feel it is impossible to even try to explain

to someone in her position what i am going through, i feel they just would not

get it. I do not want to have to cut off my whole family cause of my parents,

but i feel like my parents are pushing me into that corner where i may have to

make that choice. I honestly do not know how a parent could treat their child

this way, putting aside the emails and all, how could you sell your child out so

he would miss his grandmothers bday? I am at a complete loss as to how to

handle this. I feel like when i left, i had a pretty good handle on this

situation, i get back, and it has all gone to shit.

Thank you May for your words, and trust me, witch is nice compared to some of

the things i have called my mom :)

Re: Returning home

Tony,

This might sound offensive, but she sounds like a real witch. " What

feelings are stirred up now? " ??????? After she just defamed you to

your entire family and both of them are playing the martyr, while

you were off on vacation having a pleasant time and didn't expect to

return home to chaos. I don't mean to be blunt and offend you, I

just want to give you an outside reaction because it seems to be

that you are being manipulated with NO regard for your feelings at

all. Both parents are saying and doing incredibly hurtful things to

you, and then turning around and acting like YOU hurt THEM. And of

course they aren't lying or twisting the facts, because they are

your parents and they wouldn't do that, right??? (not). Here is

something to chew on: you can still love them even if they are

manipulative liars. You don't have to like their behavior but you

can still love them. What I see you doing is trying to make them

into something they are not, and pretend they are not what they are,

to meet some conditions you have for relationship with them. They

aren't the people you want to be, they are behaving TERRIBLY. I

think you need reinforcements, like a therapist who knows bpd

because you are being double-teamed horribly, and to make matters

worse they've brought the whole family on board now. It's okay to

come here and ask for advice as many times as you need to, as well

as support, and it's perfectly okay to NOT know how to handle this,

and to not address it, and like others have advised, to attend the

parties if you want without regard to their demands.

When I read her letter I get the image of an evil queen in a castle

like in Snow White, looking at her reflection in the mirror and

smiling at her cleverness. Just by the tone of your response it's

obvious she has you confused and questioning reality again, which is

where she wants you. I won't take it personally if you feel this

description is too harsh, I just want you to see how she is coming

off to a person outside the situation.

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