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Hello All,

I just found this group and I am new not only to this group but to

AFIB as well. I am glad for the opportunity to share my problems

with " veterans " and possibly get some advice.

I am 58 male , have a known heart condition for the last 3.5 years

(mild IHD and nonobstructive myocardial hypertrophy)

During this whole period I suffered constantly of palpitations that

were a real nuissance but all cardiologists I've seen said I should

stop counting and worrying about them as they are benign.

5 weeks ago I had my first AFIB event( syncope, nausea, the whole

works)was hospitalized for 3 days, released still in AFIB with

nothing but Coumadin treatment , in addition to the betha blocker I

was taking ever since my heart problems started.

A day later on my way to see a cardio physiologist , I suddenly felt

better and in his office it was confirmed that it returned to sinus

by itself. He did not recommend any medication until there will be a

recurrence, which came 3 weeks later - except this time I was told

it's not Fibrillation but Flutter. I was put on 2x200 mg Amiodarone

and returned to sinus the next day. I am having spells of

lightheadedness, diziness and weakness several times since then -not

sure if its the sideffects or episodes of AF.

Last night I saw again the cardiophysiologist -said I am better off

with AFlutter - strongly recommended that I undergo RF ablation

which according to him has a high success rate in his clinic (I live

in Israel) and a better than fair chance to also preclude or reduce

A Fibrillation. He also mentioned that in case it won't prevent

Fibrillation , he would recommend ablation in a specilized hospital

near Bordeaux, France (he performs it himself but admitted that

there the success rate is much higher which seemed fair enough )

I am a bit confused as he said himself that Amiodarone takes time to

have effect but on the other hand he recommends ablation right away.

Any sugestions?

Thanks for taking the time to read this

Yossie

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Yossi, I extracted this from another site:

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/cardio/messages/30233a.html

" Radio frequency ablation for atrial flutter is a successful cure in

the majority of cases. RF for atrial fibrillation is a long

complicated procedure that is not nearly as successful. Actually, it

is still somewhat experimental as a cure for atrial fibrillation. What

can be done in cases of severe atrial fibrillation is RF ablation of

the conduction system linking the atrium to the ventricle; this can

help control the symptoms of atrial fibrillation, though a permanent

pacemaker will need to be implanted, and the need for coumadin would

still be present. These are pretty sophisticated options and an expert

opinion from a large medical center might be a good idea. "

I would think that before you consider an invasive procedure, you

might get a 2nd opinion from another cardiologist. Many of us are

treated by drugs which seem to help. I've been on Sotalol and it seems

to have my AFIBS under control. Good Luck.

> Hello All,

> I just found this group and I am new not only to this group but to

> AFIB as well. I am glad for the opportunity to share my problems

> with " veterans " and possibly get some advice.

> I am 58 male , have a known heart condition for the last 3.5 years

> (mild IHD and nonobstructive myocardial hypertrophy)

> During this whole period I suffered constantly of palpitations that

> were a real nuissance but all cardiologists I've seen said I should

> stop counting and worrying about them as they are benign.

> 5 weeks ago I had my first AFIB event( syncope, nausea, the whole

> works)was hospitalized for 3 days, released still in AFIB with

> nothing but Coumadin treatment , in addition to the betha blocker I

> was taking ever since my heart problems started.

> A day later on my way to see a cardio physiologist , I suddenly felt

> better and in his office it was confirmed that it returned to sinus

> by itself. He did not recommend any medication until there will be a

> recurrence, which came 3 weeks later - except this time I was told

> it's not Fibrillation but Flutter. I was put on 2x200 mg Amiodarone

> and returned to sinus the next day. I am having spells of

> lightheadedness, diziness and weakness several times since then -not

> sure if its the sideffects or episodes of AF.

> Last night I saw again the cardiophysiologist -said I am better off

> with AFlutter - strongly recommended that I undergo RF ablation

> which according to him has a high success rate in his clinic (I live

> in Israel) and a better than fair chance to also preclude or reduce

> A Fibrillation. He also mentioned that in case it won't prevent

> Fibrillation , he would recommend ablation in a specilized hospital

> near Bordeaux, France (he performs it himself but admitted that

> there the success rate is much higher which seemed fair enough )

> I am a bit confused as he said himself that Amiodarone takes time to

> have effect but on the other hand he recommends ablation right away.

> Any sugestions?

> Thanks for taking the time to read this

> Yossie

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Hi Yossie, and welcome! We're glad you found us. Good to know you are on

Coumadin -- I think that's very important. If I were you, I would follow your

cardio physiologist's advice to inquire about ablation with the folks near

Bordeaux, France (I suspect this may be the famous Dr. Hassaguirre, who has

performed the procedure on several members in our group). Amiodarone doesn't

have a very good reputation among many of our members due to its potentially

serious side effects. Good luck! Let us know what you decide and how you are

doing. Sandy, 55, USA

New here- AFIB/AFLUT(?)

Hello All,

I just found this group and I am new not only to this group but to

AFIB as well.

Yossie

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> Yossi, I extracted this from another site:

> http://www.medhelp.org/forums/cardio/messages/30233a.html

>

> " Radio frequency ablation for atrial flutter is a successful cure

in

> the majority of cases. RF for atrial fibrillation is a long

> complicated procedure that is not nearly as successful. Actually,

it

> is still somewhat experimental as a cure for atrial fibrillation.

What

> can be done in cases of severe atrial fibrillation is RF ablation

of

> the conduction system linking the atrium to the ventricle; this can

> help control the symptoms of atrial fibrillation, though a

permanent

> pacemaker will need to be implanted, and the need for coumadin

would

> still be present. These are pretty sophisticated options and an

expert

> opinion from a large medical center might be a good idea. "

>

That info is 3-1/2 yrs old! when you look up this info it is

important to look at the DATES! It's come a long way since then & I'm

sure still has a long way to go, but no sense looking at info on

treatments back 3-1/2 yrs ago! just my opinion & thought this should

be considered by all---marcelle in FL

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>I was put on 2x200 mg Amiodarone

>and returned to sinus the next day.

>

Dear Yossie,

It's somewhat surprising that you'd be put on amiodarone as your

first antiarrhythmic medication. It is known for its bad side effects.

In the US it's usually the last medication option rather than the first.

>I am having spells of

>lightheadedness, diziness and weakness several times since then -not

>sure if its the sideffects or episodes of AF.

>

These symptoms are often associated with A-Fib.

>>said I am better off

>>with AFlutter - strongly recommended that I undergo RF ablation

>>which according to him has a high success rate in his clinic (I live

>>in Israel) and a better than fair chance to also preclude or reduce

>>A Fibrillation.

>

If you're going to have a catheter ablation procedure, you might

consider having a Pulmonary Vein Ablation procedure rather than one for

Atrial Flutter. Flutter procedures seldom cure A-Fib, but a successful

A-Fib procedure often takes care of Flutter as well. The reason is that

A-Fib signals originate most often from the Pulmonary Vein openings in

the left atrium. Atrial Flutter is most often found in the right atrium

and often originates from the A-Fib signals from the left atrium.

>he would recommend ablation in a specilized hospital

>near Bordeaux, France

>

The Bordeaux group is probably the best in the world for treating A-Fib.

>I am a bit confused as he said himself that Amiodarone takes time to

>have effect but on the other hand he recommends ablation right away.

>

>I am a bit confused as he said himself that Amiodarone takes time to

>have effect but on the other hand he recommends ablation right away.

>Any sugestions?

>

Amiodarone does take time to build up in your body . I have to admit

to being biased against amiodarone. I was on a relatively small dosage

of it and had bad side effects I really didn't like---impotence,

coughing up blood. What does your doctor think of other antiarrhythmic

medications such as flecainide (Tambocor) or dofetilide (Tikosyn)? Your

doctor seems to be on the right track in recommending an ablation rather

than leaving you on amiodarone.

Yossie, do you have any way you could research what doctors and

medical centers in Israel do Pulmonary Vein Ablations? See how much

experience they have and what their success rates are. That might help

you in making a decision. I run a general info Web site on A-Fib

http://www.a-fib.com that lists doctors and facilities doing PVAs, but I

have no info on Israel for you.

A-FibFriendSteve

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> " Radio frequency ablation for atrial flutter is a successful cure in

>the majority of cases. RF for atrial fibrillation is a long

>complicated procedure that is not nearly as successful. Actually, it

>is still somewhat experimental as a cure for atrial fibrillation. What

>can be done in cases of severe atrial fibrillation is RF ablation of

>the conduction system linking the atrium to the ventricle; this can

>help control the symptoms of atrial fibrillation, though a permanent

>pacemaker will need to be implanted, and the need for coumadin would

>still be present.

>

Dear Bert and Yossie,

Calling current Pulmonary Vein Ablation (Isolation) procedures

" somewhat experimental " seems to me to be inaccurate and out of date.

There are doctors and medical centers who have been performing these

procedures for years with a high success rate and low risk.

RF ablation for Atrial Flutter is easier to do than working in the

left atrium. But if you have A-Fib, a Flutter procedure doesn't have a

great chance of curing your A-Fib. Whereas curing you A-Fib often takes

care of the Flutter as well.

I strongly disagree with this site if it is recommending that people

with A-Fib get an Ablation of the AV Node and the Insertion of a

Permanent Pacemaker to cure their A-Fib. This is an option of last

resort for most people. Once you have your AV Node ablated (destroyed),

there is no going back. Your ventricles will work OK, but you will still

be in A-Fib and have to take a blood thinner like Coumadin for the rest

of your life. There are much less radical options available to you.

A-FibFriendSteve

A-FibFriendSteve

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