Re: 16 yr old freed from Psych Hospital

[Guest guest]

Hi Merrie,

Welcome to the group. If anyone can help your son can.Your son is fortunate to have you for his mother and i would like to say well done for going up against these assholes that know nothing about what they are doing to people. These drugs are all poison and should be wiped off the face of the earth for the damage they do.

Hugs Ros

[Guest guest]

Hi Merrie, and welcome.

I was touched by your story, and by your strength and love for your son

that are clearly apparent in all your efforts to stick to what you know

is right, despite the pressure from the authorities. What you described

is truly a nightmare. Anyone who has children (myself included) would

probably classify the threat of them being taken away as one of the

worst things that could ever happen. Well done for standing up and

fighting. I live in the UK and I can't believe the doctors over there

have such power. It is frightening.

I want to say that you've come to the right place though.

will ask you to make some changes in your son's diet and overall

nutrition, and it sounds to me like you are prepared to do what it

takes to help him get well. There is a lot of hope here. It helps that

your son has not taken the drugs; I imagine he'll be able to heal

faster without that to deal with as well. Trust , she can help.

Please let us know how you and your son are getting on, I feel for you

in this difficult situation.

Take care,

.

[Guest guest]

Hi Merrie,

I am sorry to hear of your difficulties. I'm glad to hear that you

are already aware of the problems with psychotropic drugs, and have

worked so hard to keep your son away from them.

This group is not just about getting off psychotropic drugs. It is

also about healing apparent mental/emotional/psychological symptoms

using natural means.

Although you have worked with diet, supplements, and essences in the

past, I have every reason to believe that the proper combinations of

these things will make a world of difference in your son's behavior.

Our track record here shows that we can help where other practitioners

have failed.

Because of your son's age and the severity of his symptoms, I think

it's vitally important that the two of you do a consult with

. The problems you describe go beyond the scope of what can

be effectively addressed with emails only. You will find information

about consultations in the group's Files

(http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/)

under 's Consultations Info.

There is a great deal of hope for your son. Our members will attest

to that. I'm glad you found us.

Please post a four-day food diary for him, including any supplements

or remedies he is taking. (You can reconstruct the past four days if

you prefer.) This is where we start with everyone.

Regards,

Kim

moderator

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Ros.

It's been pretty terrorizing to me to have to go through this, but there

was no way I was going to approve these drugs.

The people that give these drugs, the people that make these drugs, and

all other people that in any way promote, advertise, distribute, or make

available these drugs should be removed from their positions and from

here on left in positions of total supervision as the very act of

participating in this process says that they are a harm to society and

society needs to be protected from them. The psych wards need to be

filled with them.

I hope can help my son and that Yahoo will stop bouncing me

long enough for me to get the messages she and others are trying to send

me.

I am going to our site and the site of other groups to look at the

messages, but that will take me more time. I apologize if I duplicate

anything in that process.

Merrie

> Hi Merrie,

>

> Welcome to the group. If anyone can help your son can.Your

son is

> fortunate to have you for his mother and i would like to say well done

for

> going up against these assholes that know nothing about what they are

doing to

> people. These drugs are all poison and should be wiped off the face

of the

> earth for the damage they do.

>

> Hugs Ros

>

[Guest guest]

" I'll tell you right up front that I'm going to hate to read about you

folks that have been and are on these terrible drugs. It really hurts

me. It hurts me that nothing better was offered you, that you weren't

informed about them (generally) before you took them, and that you now

suffer from their consequences. Then I just shudder when I think that

this was going to be forced on us. "

Dear Merrie,

Do not feel hurt on our behalfs we are all very blessed because we

found and this group, we are safe now.

I am sorry for all your horrid experiences with the hospital, but now

everything will be OK, put your faith in and you and your son

will be just fine.

Have a read through the files and just hang in there, you are in the

right place to get help now.

I am so glad you found your way here.

saved my life.

With love and UNderstanding

[Guest guest]

> " I'll tell you right up front that I'm going to hate to read about you

> folks that have been and are on these terrible drugs. It really hurts

> me.

> Dear Merrie,

> Do not feel hurt on our behalfs we are all very blessed because we

> found and this group, we are safe now.

If this is true, I will rest a peace unlike any I have known to date. I

am one of these people that love people and cannot stand to silently

watch as anyone is put in danger.

> I am sorry for all your horrid experiences with the hospital, but now

> everything will be OK, put your faith in and you and your

son

> will be just fine.

I so hope so. We have tried everything and anything no matter what we

thought about it, as long as it was something that couldn't hurt my son.

We have never tried drugs because I believe they would harm him. I took

him to a social worker today that he had worked with many months ago

when he was taking an anger management course, something that didn't

help, but something we offered to do when he had gotten arrested last

year for hitting me. I thought he'd feel comfortable with someone he

knew and that at least it could be a place where he could talk out this

horrendous experience. She looked appauled when I told her what this

doctor had said to me. However, once I was done, she said that I should

rule out Prozac because even though it could cause suicide, it was

needed at times and that you just had to monitor people when they were

on it so that wouldn't happen. I know this person means well, but she

doesn't know what she's talking about. I haven't heard anyone say that

the SSRI's helped them.

> Have a read through the files and just hang in there, you are in the

> right place to get help now.

I've been so turned upside down that I haven't read through the files

yet. Even as I write this at almost 11pm, my son is calling to me,

" Help, Mom. I've got nightmares. " I asked him what they were and he

said that everytime he closed his eyes he saw trees burning, or someone

trying to stab him with sharp objects, or that psychiatrist trying to

hurt him.

> I am so glad you found your way here.

> saved my life.

I am so glad. My son needs a savior now.

> With love and UNderstanding

>

Thank you, .

With love to you, too.

Merrie

[Guest guest]

> I was touched by your story, and by your strength and love for your

son

> that are clearly apparent in all your efforts to stick to what you

know

> is right, despite the pressure from the authorities. What you

described

> is truly a nightmare.

It was a nightmare. I'm really effected by it. I think I'd be doing a

lot better if I could be suing the doctor right now. Without being able

to do that, I feel victimized, even though he never got his way. I

never got to speak up to him because I didn't want to antagonize him. I

think that was important--not to get upset with him. A lawyer told me

that if he had wanted my son, there were ways he could have gotten him.

When someone has that kind of power, it's scary.

I don't know how strong I was in sticking up for my son. I did what I

did because I didn't have a choice. I knew about Prozac and I wasn't

going to approve it, not after all I've read and heard. I figured if

the doctor would prescribe that, he'd probably prescribe other things

equally as dangerous. I looked up Geodon and found out about it. I

could not sleep at night if I gave permission for those drugs to be

given to my son. I want no part of that. If they were to over ride me,

then they were responsible. It would not be on my conscious. I really

didn't know what was going to happen. I just knew I couldn't sign those

papers and I knew I couldn't say anything that would tick this doctor

off.

>Anyone who has children (myself included) would

> probably classify the threat of them being taken away as one of the

> worst things that could ever happen.

It was the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I believe this

doctor, being in the business of mind manipulations, well knew the

effects of this verbal psychology on a mother with her only son in his

hands. I felt very much like my son was in the hands of the terrorists.

I kept telling myself just what I knew from countries dealing with

terrorists--you cannot give in to the terrorist, even if they carry

through on their threat. I believe that strongly. Once you give in,

you've lost. You can't give in.

Now that's not to say that I wasn't terrorized. I felt extreme fear

while this was going on. I ceased to be able to eat. The fact that

something like this can and did happen, scares me and is making it hard

for me to feel safe now. If they'll do it to a child, they'll also do

it to an adult. There isn't anything to stop them. Anyone of us could

have something go wrong with our brain ( an accident or some sudden

illness) and end up there. Then what will they do to us? We have no

more say so nor do those that love us.

>Well done for standing up and

> fighting. I live in the UK and I can't believe the doctors over there

> have such power. It is frightening.

This wouldn't happen in the UK? I don't know. I only know the US. We

have child agencies here that have tremendous power. They say it's all

in the name of the child and with that power they 'protect' children.

> I want to say that you've come to the right place though.

> will ask you to make some changes in your son's diet and overall

> nutrition, and it sounds to me like you are prepared to do what it

> takes to help him get well. There is a lot of hope here. It helps that

> your son has not taken the drugs; I imagine he'll be able to heal

> faster without that to deal with as well. Trust , she can

help.

I keep thinking that because my son has not taken any drugs, that he

will heal faster once we find out what he needs for healing. My son

likes good quality food. It's hard to laugh at a time like this, but

you'll probably find this story amusing. While my son was at this

hospital, he told the doctor that he wasn't getting enough vegetables

and said to the doctor, " Don't you know that I need good nutrition in

order to get well? " My son said it took a while, but they finally gave

him some vegetables. My son has eaten at some vegetarian resturants

where they serve Indian food, so he assumed that this doctor, being

Indian (from the country of India), would understand that. He was very

surprised that this doctor wasn't like his vegetarian Indian friends.

My son is a little innocent. This really shocked him.

> Please let us know how you and your son are getting on, I feel for you

> in this difficult situation.

> Take care,

> .

Thanks, . I will keep posting here. I'm having fits where I'm

just crying and at times just screaming, just to release the feelings

that are around me. It's so intense and my son is so much worse.

As for the help of , I'm supposing that I need to study the

files. I'm going to read what was sent to me when I joined and then

check for what is at the site.

Merrie

[Guest guest]

Dear Merrie,

You said:

<<Thanks, . I will keep posting here. I'm having fits where I'm

just crying and at times just screaming, just to release the feelings

that are around me. It's so intense and my son is so much worse.

As for the help of , I'm supposing that I need to study the

files. I'm going to read what was sent to me when I joined and then

check for what is at the site.>>

** In order to avoid repeating oursselves 10x a day 7 days a week,

we've put some of our most basic information in our files. We expect that a

person will read these and then present a detailed history, a 4 day food and

drink diary, and any questions they may have.

All I've seen so far are general statements from you that give me nothing

to go on to make any suggestions yet other than the one I made in my first

response to you. I asked you if you had done that and you have yet to reply

to me. It is post #25226 posted to the list 31 hours ago. It is titled For

Merrie.

[Guest guest]

" We have never tried drugs because I believe they would harm him "

Your belief is right, they will harm him, please I know this is hard

when you have obviously trusted so many people, but is the

only person on earth I would trust.

I am just so glad you found us and that you have managed to keep your

son off the drugs.

Things truly will get better for you both.

Love

[Guest guest]

I have to say that I was forced into one of these stupid places too by the authorities and they cold turkeyed me off Klonopin and Seroquel. I fought with them for 3 days and finally they said they had no reason to keep me there. It didn't dawn on me till several days later that was wrong to go off these drugs like this because they were doctors. I also am learning I hate to say this but to distrust them now.

I thought very seriously about sueing them because I went into bad bad withdrawal and had a mild seizure and hallucinated and also ran a fever. Finally I called my doctor and said I had to have these drugs back I wasn't going to get over it. He did give me one back at a lower dose. Then I had some my husband had kept that I could use for the other one. Well, 2 visits later I had to tell that doctor the truth. Here is what he said. He could no longer see me I had to find another doctor.

I am so sick of all this mess and cannot see my way out of it.

Sorry for butting in and I hope your son will get the help he needs.

Sandy

-- Re: 16 yr old freed from Psych Hospital

Hi Merrie,

Welcome to the group. If anyone can help your son can.Your son is fortunate to have you for his mother and i would like to say well done for going up against these assholes that know nothing about what they are doing to people. These drugs are all poison and should be wiped off the face of the earth for the damage they do.

Hugs Ros