Re: need reassurance please?

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, Thanks for the sharing about depression. I really appreciated it. I also looked up Neale Walsh on google and found his blog, for anyone interested. http://www.nealedonaldwalsch.com/blog.cfmshortstorygal wrote: <GREAT I feel eating well and would NOT go back to old ways, then, I had to take a day off work yesterday due to feeling depressed. I haven't had these feelings in a LONG time. I spent the day in bed, eating ice cream and potato chips for meals. My apartment is an absolute pig sty, and I feel I am starting to act like a depressed person again (although I am going to try to eat well today and I did

get my butt to the gym first thing this morning and worked on the eliptical for an hour). I am really scared and need reassurance. I feel like I am buying into the BS that I am depressed naturally so getting off these meds is just going to bring that out again.Any BigPharma-brainwash-BS zappers out there? I need to rid myself of this thinking!!!Is it true that because my brain lived with the seratonin for so long that taking it out will mean depression until it figures out how to do it without meds again?Could I be depressed for life now because of permanent damage from taking the drugs?Med withdrawl status: came off last dose of cipralex one week ago - reduced it 10% at a time, as recommended. still have 300 wellbutrin and 75 effexor to go.Thanks to anyone who is listening,>>** , what you're experiencing is an adjustment in your chemistry. It's not all going to be

comfortable each time. This is ther backlash of soing another reduction. Give it time to even out. You'll be fine.As far as being depressed for life because of all the drugs you've taken, no, this won't happen if you eat properly and pay attention to the way your body communicates with your spirit regarding your life choices.The drug industry wants you to believe depression is all about serotonin. I could address depression in anyone by giving them a few drinks which enhances the effects of GABA. I could also give some opiates which raises dopamine. The reality is that no onehas ever estasblished an optimal range of serotonin in a person's brain and you won't find this being done formally because it will destroy the drug industry's myth of"low serotonin" causing depression.You can break down depression into two categories (with a few exceptions) -- exogenous and endogenous. Exogenous depression is the depression people experience in

response to life's events. Feeling this way for short periods of time is perfectly normal. It is self-resolving as people process through the events that are at the root of the depression. In some situations a person needs to make changes in their lives (examples -- a job they hate, a relationship that is not working). In other situations, it calls for acceptance (acceptance -- the death of a loved one, or the loss of a job or relationship). By far, the most common of these causes of depression in this category is people who engage in wishful thinking. They want things the way they want them and refuse to accept the way things are and begin moving forward again. For all intents and purposes, they are frozen. They keep waiting for the situation to become more pleasing when what is really called for is for them to create a more pleasing situation for themselves. Until they decide to make the necessay changes or come accept the situation with which they struggle,

they will remain depressed. This is how the body prompts you to take notice and make changes. You can take all the antidepressants you want, and whern you're done, the problem will still be there. The problem lies in how many of us in industrialized nations view discomfortEndogenous depression is chemical in origin. It is almost always he result of a poor diet. This is very easy to address. It used to be that this type of depression was least common. I believe it is now most common. Amino acids create neurotransmitters. To create healthy neurotransmitters, other vitamins and minerals are necessary. People who are eating processed foods are not getting these substances. You need whole, fresh foods for this. Also contributing are fresh air and sunshine.More often than not, when a person begins a healthy diet it takes just a week or two for profound differences to occur.Most people today who have been depressed have

been told they have a disease that needs to be treated. This leads people to be wary of any feelings of depression. They respond in ways that people who are ill respond. For example, you felt depressed so you did not go to work. That is a conditioned over-response to feeling depressed. It would never occur to me not to goto work if I felt depressed. I would note how I was feeling and then continue my day. I might be more thoughful about lunch and dinner, giving myself really high quality foods, and I might even decide that after work I will go home and just chill out to a movie or take a nap instead of meeting friends for dinner. In other words, I would not worry about how I was feeling. But the difference here is that I accept periods of depression as a normal part of life and those who have been brainwashed think of it as a disease. If thid feeling was to continue for more than a few days I would ask myself what I find unsatiasfactory in my life and I would

also look at whether I've recently endured a major shock (someone's death, a break-up, a lost job, etc.) If I found some dissatisfaction that I could change in my life, I'd make a plan to change it. If I was grieving a loss, I'd allow myself to grieve it, knowing that one of these days soon, I willexamine it with my heart and spirit and rely on my foundational spiritual beliefs. A brief overview of these are:-- Nothing is an accident; everything happens for a reason. I may not be able to fathom that reason now, but I KNOW that the Universe is infinitely wiser than I and always brings me what I need at any given time in my journey here (in most cases, it is just a matter of a few hours to a few days until I figure out why something is happening in my life).-- Further reinforcing this is my trust that I will always be guided in the direction I need to be going. If I ignore this guidance, it will come to me in forms more difficult to ignore. This makes

me feel very safe because I know I can trust this. -- I remind myself of how many times something that felt bad yurned out to be good for me -- a present of sorts.Getting to this point was a process. My commitment to it got me there. Books by Deepak Chopra, Neale Walsch, and M. Peck helped. Being tired of running around in circles helped.I think what you're experiencing is the effects of your last reduction. This is a time to support your body, not assault it. It will pass.Regards,To subscribe to our off-topic Social list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/ To subscribe to our Truth-in-Health list go to:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/truth-in-health

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, I remember feeling those sorts of fears myself when I was

starting out on this list. Trust and it will be OK. Love and

look after yourself. We're here for you.

, I think I should start a little library called 's

Words of Wisdom. I appreciate the time you are taking to give guidance

here right now and I've printed out your message to . I will refer

to it when I am feeling unbalanced, panicky, or prone to doing

something stupid.

.

[Guest guest]

, thank you for the clear and vivid explanation. When things

are put this way--clear, direct, backed up by factual statements--I

am less likely to forget, and more likely to integrate, and thereby

live much healthier. (this is how I find most of your posts by the

way - so effective and powerful!)

Great point about comfort level. Today our tolerance for discomfort

is 0-none given the instant, immediate-gratification nature of

society. I have been practicing increasing my tolerance of discomfort

with headaches since I read this and it has really worked. I lay down

for a bit and eliminate all stimulation in my environment and 9/10

times it is gone within 15 minutes or so. Amazing!

My other favourite line of wisdom in this post: " ...pay attention to

the way your body communicates with your spirit regarding your life

choices. " Well put and very wise! No wonder I've started clipping and

pasting favourite quotes/sections from posts here and carrying them

around with me everyday! I also share with colleagues who are dosed

heavily with antidepressant in my field.

Interesting about the cognitive contribution to exogenous depression.

I like your proactive stance. Reminds me of a quote I read: " our

conscious mind is only able to hold one thought: make it a positive

one. "

worrying about how I was feeling - my mother has been trying to tell

me this my whole life. funny how I think it wise enough advice to

adhere when someone else says it....I'll have to share this with mom,

she'd enjoy this email and share the wisdom as well. she's a nurse

who has a VERY interesting perspective, because part of her job is

(unfortunately) doling out this anti-depressant medication according

to doctor's orders! she watches people turn from alive to zombie

daily.

thank you for sharing your spiritual beliefs in such depth - you are

a wonderful role model and a vital source of information that will

make all of our lives vibrant and full again, . Truly!

Namaste,

> <<Funny how things can change: just Tuesday I was writing about how

> GREAT I feel eating well and would NOT go back to old ways, then, I

> had to take a day off work yesterday due to feeling depressed. I

> haven't had these feelings in a LONG time. I spent the day in bed,

> eating ice cream and potato chips for meals. My apartment is an

> absolute pig sty, and I feel I am starting to act like a depressed

> person again (although I am going to try to eat well today and I did

> get my butt to the gym first thing this morning and worked on the

> eliptical for an hour). I am really scared and need reassurance. I

> feel like I am buying into the BS that I am depressed naturally so

> getting off these meds is just going to bring that out again.Any

> BigPharma-brainwash-BS zappers out there? I need to rid myself of

> this thinking!!!

>

> Is it true that because my brain lived with the seratonin for so

long

> that taking it out will mean depression until it figures out how to

> do it without meds again?

>

> Could I be depressed for life now because of permanent damage from

> taking the drugs?

>

> Med withdrawl status: came off last dose of cipralex one week ago -

> reduced it 10% at a time, as recommended. still have 300 wellbutrin

> and 75 effexor to go.

>

> Thanks to anyone who is listening,

> >>

>

>

> ** , what you're experiencing is an adjustment in your

chemistry. It's not all going to be comfortable each time. This is

ther backlash of soing another reduction. Give it time to even out.

You'll be fine.

>

>

> As far as being depressed for life because of all the drugs

you've taken, no, this won't happen if you eat properly and pay

attention to the way your body communicates with your spirit

regarding your life choices.

>

>

> The drug industry wants you to believe depression is all about

serotonin. I could address depression in anyone by giving them a few

drinks which enhances the effects of GABA. I could also give some

opiates which raises dopamine. The reality is that no onehas ever

estasblished an optimal range of serotonin in a person's brain and

you won't find this being done formally because it will destroy the

drug industry's myth of " low serotonin " causing depression.

>

>

> You can break down depression into two categories (with a few

exceptions) -- exogenous and endogenous. Exogenous depression is the

depression people experience in response to life's events. Feeling

this way for short periods of time is perfectly normal. It is self-

resolving as people process through the events that are at the root

of the depression. In some situations a person needs to make changes

in their lives (examples -- a job they hate, a relationship that is

not working). In other situations, it calls for acceptance

(acceptance -- the death of a loved one, or the loss of a job or

relationship).

>

>

> By far, the most common of these causes of depression in this

category is people who engage in wishful thinking. They want things

the way they want them and refuse to accept the way things are and

begin moving forward again. For all intents and purposes, they are

frozen. They keep waiting for the situation to become more pleasing

when what is really called for is for them to create a more pleasing

situation for themselves. Until they decide to make the necessay

changes or come accept the situation with which they struggle, they

will remain depressed. This is how the body prompts you to take

notice and make changes. You can take all the antidepressants you

want, and whern you're done, the problem will still be there.

>

>

> The problem lies in how many of us in industrialized nations

view discomfort

>

>

> Endogenous depression is chemical in origin. It is almost always

he result of a poor diet. This is very easy to address. It used to

be that this type of depression was least common. I believe it is

now most common.

>

>

> Amino acids create neurotransmitters. To create healthy

neurotransmitters, other vitamins and minerals are necessary. People

who are eating processed foods are not getting these substances. You

need whole, fresh foods for this. Also contributing are fresh air

and sunshine.

>

>

> More often than not, when a person begins a healthy diet it

takes just a week or two for profound differences to occur.

>

>

> Most people today who have been depressed have been told they

have a disease that needs to be treated. This leads people to be

wary of any feelings of depression. They respond in ways that people

who are ill respond. For example, you felt depressed so you did not

go to work. That is a conditioned over-response to feeling

depressed. It would never occur to me not to goto work if I felt

depressed. I would note how I was feeling and then continue my day.

I might be more thoughful about lunch and dinner, giving myself

really high quality foods, and I might even decide that after work I

will go home and just chill out to a movie or take a nap instead of

meeting friends for dinner.

>

>

> In other words, I would not worry about how I was feeling. But

the difference here is that I accept periods of depression as a

normal part of life and those who have been brainwashed think of it

as a disease. If thid feeling was to continue for more than a few

days I would ask myself what I find unsatiasfactory in my life and I

would also look at whether I've recently endured a major shock

(someone's death, a break-up, a lost job, etc.) If I found some

dissatisfaction that I could change in my life, I'd make a plan to

change it. If I was grieving a loss, I'd allow myself to grieve it,

knowing that one of these days soon, I willexamine it with my heart

and spirit and rely on my foundational spiritual beliefs. A brief

overview of these are:

>

>

> -- Nothing is an accident; everything happens for a reason. I

may not be able to fathom that reason now, but I KNOW that the

Universe is infinitely wiser than I and always brings me what I need

at any given time in my journey here (in most cases, it is just a

matter of a few hours to a few days until I figure out why something

is happening in my life).

>

>

> -- Further reinforcing this is my trust that I will always be

guided in the direction I need to be going. If I ignore this

guidance, it will come to me in forms more difficult to ignore. This

makes me feel very safe because I know I can trust this.

>

>

> -- I remind myself of how many times something that felt bad yurned

out to be good for me -- a present of sorts.

>

>

> Getting to this point was a process. My commitment to it got me

there. Books by Deepak Chopra, Neale Walsch, and M.

Peck helped. Being tired of running around in circles helped.

>

>

> I think what you're experiencing is the effects of your last

reduction. This is a time to support your body, not assault it. It

will pass.

>

> Regards,

>

>