Re: Dr. Greger and Atkins research ...

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I guess I don't see how researching the Atkins diet, which to me is

different from South Beach, has any bearing. What is wrong with giving up

white flour, sugar and other sweets, and substituting vegetables, nuts,

whole wheat flour, etc. that are higher in fiber and healthier. After the

short Phase 1 you can add back fruits and even some reasonable desserts

(like the Pistaschio bark). He recommends low fat cheeses, low fat meats,

low fat dairy, etc. Sounds quite sensible to me. He doesn't tell you to

eat your fill of bacon, pork rinds, or high fat meats and steaks. I'm no

doctor, but the book made sense to me. I don't consider myself a dummy and

I do have some common sense.

What am I missing?

aztecjan@...

Jan Crandall

in NW New Mexico (the Four Corners)

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At 11:02 PM 6/24/2004, you wrote:

> I'm no

>doctor, but the book made sense to me. I don't consider myself a dummy and

>I do have some common sense.

I checked into a lot of diets before I started SBD and I thought it made

the most sense from a nutritional pov. I have also done a lot of reading

on nutrition and healthy ways of eating. Seems to me that SBD is mostly

common sense eating.

I really don't think this Dr. Greger read the book or looked into it at all.

BTW - last week was my birthday and I cheated quite a bit <g>. I had

lasagna, white wine, a bit of possibly non-whole wheat bread, and very

non-SBD birthday cake. I didn't lose last week, but I didn't gain either.

I'm back on Phase 2 and behaving <g> - but it was nice to know that I can

indulge now and then, and not gain back all I've lost.

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At 11:02 PM 6/24/2004, you wrote:

>>  I'm no

>>doctor, but the book made sense to me.  I don't consider myself a dummy

>>and

>>>I do have some common sense.

>I checked into a lot of diets before I started SBD and I thought it made

>the most sense from a nutritional pov.  I have also done a lot of reading

>on nutrition and healthy ways of eating.  Seems to me that SBD is mostly

>common sense eating.

Aside from phase 1 - which I found sort of odd - SB seems to me to be

nothing but common sense. When I was put on a diabetes diet when I had

gestational diabetes 6 years ago, the advice was *so* similar to SB only

back then they didn't know about trans fats and I had no cholesterol

concerns so they didn't tell me to cut saturated fats. Everything he says

about grains and potatoes and fruits vs juices, the stuff about having some

fat or protein with your carbs, having 3 main meals and 3 snacks (including

a bedtime snack aka desert), etc, all very similar to what I was told to do

then. And I gained very very slowly (remember I was pregnant) and had very

well controlled blood sugars on the diet I followed back then. I know for a

*fact* that when I quit that diet after my son was born I was roller

coastering with my blood sugars. Sure, I didn't have diabetes level blood

sugar but I most definitely had blood sugar crashes. I said back then that

I wanted to follow that diet to lose my pregnancy weight but I didn't want

to give up pasta (back then there were no whole wheat pastas widely

available) and I was just too busy with 1 kid and then 2 kids to deal with

the learning/menus/changes. I am very, very happy on this 'diet'. I

'cheat' at least once a week but if it's a small cheat (like going to the

local ice cream place for a small premium ice cream) it doesn't seem to

bother me. If it's a big cheat (like the breakfasts at the B & B after I

forgot to warn them that we were doing SB), then I get that same old awful

carb-overload feeling that I used to get and I noticeably bloat. For

someone like me - someone already prone to diabetes and already well-aware

of what a carb overload will do to me or even a carb-rich but protein-poor

meal will do to me - SB is perfect. I read that article posted by the

tufts-educated doctor and I suspect that it probably is true. What the book

said *is* common sense and there are inconsistencies in it (which I think

Dr. A explains - this is not a hard-and-fast-slip-once-and-your-done kind of

diet and cheats and exceptions are expected and allowed) and perhaps for the

general population there is no blood-sugar roller-coaster but it's not going

to hurt to keep the natural variations in check and for some (like me) a

diet like this just may save me from typeII diabetes and sure does make me

feel better!! I am glad that the book was out there available to the

general public. I am glad that I didn't have to *get* diabetes to learn

about the diet from my endocrinologist.

>BTW - last week was my birthday and I cheated quite a bit <g>.  I had

>lasagna,  white wine, a bit of possibly non-whole wheat bread, and very

>non-SBD birthday cake.  I didn't lose last week, but I didn't gain either.

You're luckier than I :-) Of course, I cheated for 3 days. I had a huge

Guinness with an otherwise SB-friendly meal, had 2 horrendously forbidden

breakfasts (pancakes w/ fresh fruit and syrup and cinnamon and sugar;

waffles with custard and fresh fruit, fresh squeezed OJ, coffee with cream

and sugar), a deep-fried appetizer with DH, and lots of wine that had to be

too sweet to be 'allowed' (funny how he never talks about the carbs in

wine... some have none, lots are very low, but a lot top 5g carbs per

glass). Even so, I only gained 2 pounds and I could feel that I was

bloated. A week later, on phase 2 with an ice cream cheat along the way,

I'm down those 2 pounds and 1 more. Key for me is that I am much more aware

of what I'm eating. When I'm being 'bad' I know it and enjoy it more :-)

And then just get back on the wagon.

156/145/135... for now, although I'd like to be 115 again some day

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How is this for sort of odd, I was on the "Medical Weight Loss" plan. The first "detox" phase was to eat ONLY red meats and green veggies AND THAT WAS ALL! What is up with that? Another one of those I lost 40 lbs and gained it all back. That's why 5 yrs later I am here.

>> I'm no>>doctor, but the book made sense to me. I don't consider myself a dummy>>and>>>I do have some common sense.Aside from phase 1 - which I found sort of odd - SB seems to me to benothing but common sense.

156/145/135... for now, although I'd like to be 115 again some dayReminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones-and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this WOE please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8 __________________________________________________