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Lana,

> Could you elaborate a little more on why rice and nut milks are not

> optimal?

They are basically nutrition-less sugar-water.

> I have been trying to find a suitable non-dairy substance for my kefir - and

> while coconut milk is good, there is only so much coconut milk kefir you can

> drink at any one time.

Donna Gates uses kefired young coconut *water* (or " juice " ) for

intestinal healing. Have you tried that? I wonder if you can mix the

two together?

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They are basically nutrition-less sugar-water.

>

Wouldn't that depend on whether they were strained or not? I like to leave

the nut pulp in my milks.

Donna Gates uses kefired young coconut *water* (or " juice " ) for

> intestinal healing. Have you tried that? I wonder if you can mix the

> two together?

>

That actually sounds fairly good - thanks for the suggestion!

-Lana

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On 5/22/06, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> Wouldn't that depend on whether they were strained or not? I like to leave

> the nut pulp in my milks.

I suppose homemade nutmilk could be nutritious, if you're soaking the

nuts. I was thinking of the stuff that comes in the box in the store,

which is usually loaded with sweetener. I'd imagine the nut milk would

top the rice milk pretty easily in nutrition.

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On 5/23/06, susan <thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote:

> FWIW my original suggestions for nut/seed or grain milks were intended

> to be homemade preparations, from properly soaked & prepared nuts,

> seeds or grains. i wouldn't recommend the boxed varieties for anyone.

> and i agree with chris that the rice milk (and probably the oat cream)

> would be the least nutritious choice.

I knew yours was because you said to soak them, but unless someone

stated explicitly they were doing so, I'd assume they were using the

boxed varieties.

> i've sustained good energy on soaked nuts & seeds as part of raw foods

> diets in the past, they've got some good stuff in them. and they make

> a tasty pate!

Unfortunately, I appear to be allergic to nuts. After I did a 2-week

fast at the end of the summer, I added foods in slowly. When I added

(unsoaked, roasted) nuts, even taking HCl and enzymes, they gave me

horrible gas and then came out the other end untouched.

I realized a few months later that I totally forgot about soaking

nuts, having not eaten them for so long. So I bought a bag of raw

nuts intent on soaking them.

I was stupid enough to eat a handful of them raw before I had a chance

to soak them while I was making dinner because I was so hungry. Big

mistake. For quite some time I felt like I had a brick in my chest

that was pushing forward and pushing backward into my back, and had a

lot of burping and some other symptoms.

Then I tried soaking them and roasting them after I soaked them -- I

could tolerate them fine!

So I started eating lots of well-soaked, roasted nuts every day. In

less than a week, I got a similar reaction from the soaked, roasted

nuts as I did from the raw nuts. These were almonds I believe.

So I think that I can tolerate nuts under certain conditions, but that

it needs to be in strict moderation. I'm going to wait until I feel

like I've thoroughly fixed all of my intestinal and other issues

before I try nuts again.

Chris

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I'm surprised you are in favor of nuts and seeds, as most are somewhat high in

omega 6's.

jafa

Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: On 5/23/06, susan

<thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote:

> FWIW my original suggestions for nut/seed or grain milks were intended

> to be homemade preparations, from properly soaked & prepared nuts,

> seeds or grains. i wouldn't recommend the boxed varieties for anyone.

> and i agree with chris that the rice milk (and probably the oat cream)

> would be the least nutritious choice.

I knew yours was because you said to soak them, but unless someone

stated explicitly they were doing so, I'd assume they were using the

boxed varieties.

> i've sustained good energy on soaked nuts & seeds as part of raw foods

> diets in the past, they've got some good stuff in them. and they make

> a tasty pate!

Unfortunately, I appear to be allergic to nuts. After I did a 2-week

fast at the end of the summer, I added foods in slowly. When I added

(unsoaked, roasted) nuts, even taking HCl and enzymes, they gave me

horrible gas and then came out the other end untouched.

I realized a few months later that I totally forgot about soaking

nuts, having not eaten them for so long. So I bought a bag of raw

nuts intent on soaking them.

I was stupid enough to eat a handful of them raw before I had a chance

to soak them while I was making dinner because I was so hungry. Big

mistake. For quite some time I felt like I had a brick in my chest

that was pushing forward and pushing backward into my back, and had a

lot of burping and some other symptoms.

Then I tried soaking them and roasting them after I soaked them -- I

could tolerate them fine!

So I started eating lots of well-soaked, roasted nuts every day. In

less than a week, I got a similar reaction from the soaked, roasted

nuts as I did from the raw nuts. These were almonds I believe.

So I think that I can tolerate nuts under certain conditions, but that

it needs to be in strict moderation. I'm going to wait until I feel

like I've thoroughly fixed all of my intestinal and other issues

before I try nuts again.

Chris

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On 5/23/06, jafa <jafasum@...> wrote:

> I'm surprised you are in favor of nuts and seeds, as most are somewhat high in

omega 6's.

I was specifically discussing almonds, which are mostly

monounsaturated, but in any case there's nothing wrong with omega-6

fats in moderation. I don't think a diet based on omega-6 nuts and

seeds as staples is a good idea, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't

consume any at all.

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Actually I was thinking more in terms of nuts and seeds being polyunsaturated.

Actually omega 3's are polyunsaturated also, for that matter!! I'm sure in

moderaton it's fine, but many people who are trying to cut off grains, switch

over to nuts/seeds for satiety, which can cause other problems related to being

polyunsaturated.

I suppose it comes down to picking the best of the worst! grains=high carb and

most have gluten or nuts/seeds=carbs and polyunsaturated.

jafa

Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: On 5/23/06, jafa

<jafasum@...> wrote:

> I'm surprised you are in favor of nuts and seeds, as most are somewhat high

in omega 6's.

I was specifically discussing almonds, which are mostly

monounsaturated, but in any case there's nothing wrong with omega-6

fats in moderation. I don't think a diet based on omega-6 nuts and

seeds as staples is a good idea, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't

consume any at all.

Chris

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Jafa,

> Actually I was thinking more in terms of nuts and seeds being

>polyunsaturated. Actually omega 3's are polyunsaturated also, for that

>matter!! I'm sure in moderaton it's fine, but many people who are trying >to

cut off grains, switch over to nuts/seeds for satiety, which can cause >other

problems related to being polyunsaturated.

Well I don't recall endorsing any particular quantity of nut use.

Actually, my main comment was that I would minimize the need for a

milk replacement before I'd use a nut or seed or rice milk, and that I

would opt for something coconut-based or egg-based instead.

I can't imagine why on earth anyone would ever eating nuts for

satiety. Nuts and chips are notorious for being high calorie with

little satiety value.

For satiety I would recommend Purity Farms ghee (100% casein-free),

extra-virgin olive oil, red palm oil, coconut oil, and bones or bone

meal powder (for calcium, which promotes satiety).

This is the most filling thing I eat, which is casein-free and gluten-free:

I put some ghee at the bottom of a saucepan and a frying pan. I heat

tomato sauce in the saucepan, cut up broccoli, and simmer the broccoli

in it with spices and three pinches of salt. I sautee onions in the

frying pan until cooked through, and add them to the sauce. Then I

lighly brown crumbled hamburger in more ghee in the pan, and add it

into the sauce. When everything is done I add 2 or 3 tbsp to the

sauce in the form of olive oil and palm oil.

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Thank you for your great response!

Why do you use ghee over butter? Can you use a higher heat with it before it

burns?

jafa

Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: Jafa,

> Actually I was thinking more in terms of nuts and seeds being

>polyunsaturated. Actually omega 3's are polyunsaturated also, for that

>matter!! I'm sure in moderaton it's fine, but many people who are trying >to

cut off grains, switch over to nuts/seeds for satiety, which can cause >other

problems related to being polyunsaturated.

Well I don't recall endorsing any particular quantity of nut use.

Actually, my main comment was that I would minimize the need for a

milk replacement before I'd use a nut or seed or rice milk, and that I

would opt for something coconut-based or egg-based instead.

I can't imagine why on earth anyone would ever eating nuts for

satiety. Nuts and chips are notorious for being high calorie with

little satiety value.

For satiety I would recommend Purity Farms ghee (100% casein-free),

extra-virgin olive oil, red palm oil, coconut oil, and bones or bone

meal powder (for calcium, which promotes satiety).

This is the most filling thing I eat, which is casein-free and gluten-free:

I put some ghee at the bottom of a saucepan and a frying pan. I heat

tomato sauce in the saucepan, cut up broccoli, and simmer the broccoli

in it with spices and three pinches of salt. I sautee onions in the

frying pan until cooked through, and add them to the sauce. Then I

lighly brown crumbled hamburger in more ghee in the pan, and add it

into the sauce. When everything is done I add 2 or 3 tbsp to the

sauce in the form of olive oil and palm oil.

Chris

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On 5/23/06, jafa <jafasum@...> wrote:

> Why do you use ghee over butter? Can you use a higher heat with it before it

burns?

The purpose of the ghee (specifically Purity Farms, which is 100%

casein-free) is to avoid the milk protein if one is allergic to it,

since the discussion was in the context of non-dairy milk

replacements. You can also use higher heat with it.

Chris

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