Re: nutrition degree / was nutrition books

[Guest guest]

i agree, its disappointing and actually scary to see what many

nutritionists and dieticians recommend for their clients.

until we moved here to europe, i had my own business as a personal

chef/caterer/cooking instructor, and specialized in working with

clients who have been put on special diets by their doctor, dietician,

nutritionist or alternative health care provider. eek! sometimes i

would be trying not to argue with them as we would be planning their

menus. i've worked with numerous clients who have cancer,

fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue etc, and its heartbreaking to see them

going " gung ho " on some nutritional program that most likely isn't

going to do much to help them heal.

that's why i would like to get some sort of degree to hang on the

wall. maybe people would listen with more of an open mind, than the

reactions i often have gotten in these past few years since adopting a

wapf diet. and there's only so much i can say, without any official

nutrition degree.

for example, i know a girl who is dietician. she hired me to teach a

cooking class about soy foods to a group of about 25 dieticians as

part of their continuing education program. i talked about the

differences between crappy foods like boxed soy milk and something

like traditionally fermented miso or tempeh - i got comments

like " come on, lets be real. soy is soy. the ADA says soy is good for

my clients, and its much easier to get mrs. jones to put soy milk in

her Special K than it is to get her to eat tempeh. "

and when i did a vegetable fried rice, demonstrating organic wheat-

free tamari as a soy-seasoning, i lightly fried the vegetables in

coconut oil -- their jaws dropped! i explained that it's a great

cooking oil, because it stands up to higher heat, bla bla bla, and

they were mostly shaking their heads with a disapproving look. so i

asked - " oh, you guys don't use coconut oil? " and they all started

chattering amongst themselves - " no no, its a saturated fat. its

terrible for you " . i showed them my jug of virgin c.o., explaining

that it wasn't hydrogentated, just pure coconut oil. they were not

convinced. they told me i should be using canola oil for cooking and

that it was dangerous to eat any kind of c.o. in anything larger than

very minute amounts.

we agreed to disagree. but i put in a few plugs for the wapf website

and strongly urged them to check it out and read some of the articles.

a few of them came to me afterwards and said i had intrigued them, so

hopefully at least one or two of them actually did check it out and

may be self-educating to compensate for what they are taught at most

hospital seminars.

since beginning my culinary practice i've been a supporter/promoter of

organic/sustainable farming practices, eating locally, etc.

someday i hope to continue with it, i really do love the work,

especially when i've got clients who are into real food.

years back when i started being interested in nutrition i was a chef

in a vegan cafe (and was vegan myself for 7 years). i trained in

macrobiotics, i've experimented with juicing, cleansing, raw foods,

etc... but honestly i have seen the best health improvements for

myself since i learned about wapf.

meanwhile, once my husband finishes his schooling and hopefully finds

a job in his related field, then we would have the money to spend for

me to get a nutrition degree. the chinese medicine idea is a good one

too, i will look into it as well.

yowee, that turned into a long post, but anyhoo - i look forward to

resuming my search for degree programs that follow the wapf teaching,

where i can actually become " certified " . i think it would be a

great addition to my cooking practice, as i could be

considered 'qualified' to offer nutritional counseling.

and what a breath of fresh air it would be to have more nutrition

counselers in the world who recommend bone broths and kimchi!

i'm grateful that josephina brought it up, and also to haecklers and

others who have answered.

i'd like to find out about the courses that elaine, a wapf chapter

leader is following. i couldn't e-mail her through the link that was

posted. so, elaine if you're here, can you comment?

thanks so much, everyone, this is a great group.

~ susan

> I've thought about the same thing, but judging by the people I know

> who go to nutritionists, it may be a disappointment. The ones

> around here are really into the juicing thing and acid/alkaline, but

> otherwise seem to pretty much tow the SAD party line - avoid salt,

> fats, etc... It may be more brainwashing than actually

> illuminating. Maybe if it doesn't look like it will work out

> look at one of the Chinese Medicine schools instead? I hear that

> diet is a big part of their training, but they often give up on

> advising people about diet as Westerners don't want to change their

> lifestyles, just get " fixed " by someone else or some drug.

[Guest guest]

> i'd like to find out about the courses that elaine, a wapf chapter

> leader is following. i couldn't e-mail her through the link that was

> posted. so, elaine if you're here, can you comment?

susan,

it's on WAPF local chapter page:

http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/locallist.html#or

go to " oregon " , then scroll down to Elaine's contact info.

I also emailed it to you. I hope the program info will be helpful to you.

B.

[Guest guest]

From: " susan " thenaturalkitchen@...

Date: Sun May 21, 2006 6:26am(PDT)

Hello :

Just wondering what you recommend for folks other than

boxed soy milk for dairy intolerance.

Thanks

Sue

for example, i know a girl who is dietician. she hired me to teach a

cooking class about soy foods to a group of about 25 dieticians as

part of their continuing education program. i talked about the

differences between crappy foods like boxed soy milk and something

like traditionally fermented miso or tempeh - i got comments

like " come on, lets be real. soy is soy. the ADA says soy is good for

my clients, and its much easier to get mrs. jones to put soy milk in

her Special K than it is to get her to eat tempeh. "

~ susan

[Guest guest]

On 5/21/06, don_n_sue@... <don_n_sue@...> wrote:

> Just wondering what you recommend for folks other than

> boxed soy milk for dairy intolerance.

Not eating boxed cereal would be a good start!

Chris

--

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[Guest guest]

Wow, that sounds terrible. Yes, I think it's the only way people will

isten to you in these days, if you have a degree.

Where in Europe are you? I'm from Sweden, and long to go back to

Europe some day.

fina.

>

>

> i agree, its disappointing and actually scary to see what many

> nutritionists and dieticians recommend for their clients.

>

> until we moved here to europe, i had my own business as a personal

> chef/caterer/cooking instructor, and specialized in working with

> clients who have been put on special diets by their doctor,

dietician,

> nutritionist or alternative health care provider. eek! sometimes i

> would be trying not to argue with them as we would be planning

their

> menus. i've worked with numerous clients who have cancer,

> fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue etc, and its heartbreaking to see them

> going " gung ho " on some nutritional program that most likely isn't

> going to do much to help them heal.

>

> that's why i would like to get some sort of degree to hang on the

> wall. maybe people would listen with more of an open mind, than the

> reactions i often have gotten in these past few years since

adopting a

> wapf diet. and there's only so much i can say, without any official

> nutrition degree.

>

> for example, i know a girl who is dietician. she hired me to teach

a

> cooking class about soy foods to a group of about 25 dieticians as

> part of their continuing education program. i talked about the

> differences between crappy foods like boxed soy milk and something

> like traditionally fermented miso or tempeh - i got comments

> like " come on, lets be real. soy is soy. the ADA says soy is good

for

> my clients, and its much easier to get mrs. jones to put soy milk

in

> her Special K than it is to get her to eat tempeh. "

>

> and when i did a vegetable fried rice, demonstrating organic wheat-

> free tamari as a soy-seasoning, i lightly fried the vegetables in

> coconut oil -- their jaws dropped! i explained that it's a great

> cooking oil, because it stands up to higher heat, bla bla bla, and

> they were mostly shaking their heads with a disapproving look. so i

> asked - " oh, you guys don't use coconut oil? " and they all started

> chattering amongst themselves - " no no, its a saturated fat. its

> terrible for you " . i showed them my jug of virgin c.o., explaining

> that it wasn't hydrogentated, just pure coconut oil. they were not

> convinced. they told me i should be using canola oil for cooking

and

> that it was dangerous to eat any kind of c.o. in anything larger

than

> very minute amounts.

>

> we agreed to disagree. but i put in a few plugs for the wapf

website

> and strongly urged them to check it out and read some of the

articles.

> a few of them came to me afterwards and said i had intrigued them,

so

> hopefully at least one or two of them actually did check it out and

> may be self-educating to compensate for what they are taught at

most

> hospital seminars.

>

> since beginning my culinary practice i've been a supporter/promoter

of

> organic/sustainable farming practices, eating locally, etc.

>

> someday i hope to continue with it, i really do love the work,

> especially when i've got clients who are into real food.

>

> years back when i started being interested in nutrition i was a

chef

> in a vegan cafe (and was vegan myself for 7 years). i trained in

> macrobiotics, i've experimented with juicing, cleansing, raw foods,

> etc... but honestly i have seen the best health improvements for

> myself since i learned about wapf.

>

> meanwhile, once my husband finishes his schooling and hopefully

finds

> a job in his related field, then we would have the money to spend

for

> me to get a nutrition degree. the chinese medicine idea is a good

one

> too, i will look into it as well.

>

> yowee, that turned into a long post, but anyhoo - i look forward to

> resuming my search for degree programs that follow the wapf

teaching,

> where i can actually become " certified " . i think it would be a

> great addition to my cooking practice, as i could be

> considered 'qualified' to offer nutritional counseling.

>

> and what a breath of fresh air it would be to have more nutrition

> counselers in the world who recommend bone broths and kimchi!

>

> i'm grateful that josephina brought it up, and also to haecklers

and

> others who have answered.

> i'd like to find out about the courses that elaine, a wapf chapter

> leader is following. i couldn't e-mail her through the link that

was

> posted. so, elaine if you're here, can you comment?

>

> thanks so much, everyone, this is a great group.

>

> ~ susan

>

>

>

> > I've thought about the same thing, but judging by the people I

know

> > who go to nutritionists, it may be a disappointment. The ones

> > around here are really into the juicing thing and acid/alkaline,

but

> > otherwise seem to pretty much tow the SAD party line - avoid

salt,

> > fats, etc... It may be more brainwashing than actually

> > illuminating. Maybe if it doesn't look like it will work out

> > look at one of the Chinese Medicine schools instead? I hear that

> > diet is a big part of their training, but they often give up on

> > advising people about diet as Westerners don't want to change

their

> > lifestyles, just get " fixed " by someone else or some drug.

>

[Guest guest]

Do you have the program info, ? If so could you email it to me

also?

fina.

>

> > i'd like to find out about the courses that elaine, a wapf

chapter

> > leader is following. i couldn't e-mail her through the link that

was

> > posted. so, elaine if you're here, can you comment?

>

> susan,

> it's on WAPF local chapter page:

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/locallist.html#or

>

> go to " oregon " , then scroll down to Elaine's contact info.

>

> I also emailed it to you. I hope the program info will be helpful

to you.

> B.

>

[Guest guest]

first - thanks teresa for putting me in contact with elaine, and

second - josephina, its the nutritional therapy program you mentioned.

she highly recommends it, she says she has learned so much.

and yes, degrees do mean a lot, don't they. its the very reason my

husband is completing a masters right now.

we're in belgium until further notice (i have always wanted to visit

sweden, one of my best friends from childhood is swedish!)

~ susan

> Do you have the program info, ? If so could you email it to me

> also?

>

> fina.

[Guest guest]

-Hello Chris:

Yes, being gluten intolerant there are few boxed

anything I can eat. Hot cereal is fresh ground

organic brown rice. I will admit however that I

do enjoy some of the boxed soy milk on it.

What I meant by my question was what do you recommend

as a substitute to the boxed soy milks for one

who can have no dairy.

Thanks

Sue--

In , " Masterjohn "

<chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

>

> On 5/21/06, don_n_sue@... <don_n_sue@...> wrote:

>

> > Just wondering what you recommend for folks other than

> > boxed soy milk for dairy intolerance.

>

> Not eating boxed cereal would be a good start!

>

> Chris

>

> --

> Dioxins in Animal Foods:

> A Case For Vegetarianism?

> Find Out the Truth:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

> What I meant by my question was what do you recommend

> as a substitute to the boxed soy milks for one

> who can have no dairy.

And I would recommend minimizing one's intake of any of the

alternatives, except maybe the coconut milk and egg-based one that was

suggested. I wish there was something that tasted just like milk that

wasn't but was still good for you, but I don't think soy milk

qualifies in that department. I don't think rice or nut milks are a

good idea either, but if they're used sparingly, I'd take them over

soy. If you can make something coconut or egg-based, I would consider

that ideal.

Chris

--

Dioxins in Animal Foods:

A Case For Vegetarianism?

Find Out the Truth:

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

[Guest guest]

>-----Original Message-----

>From:

>[mailto: ]On Behalf Of don_n_sue@...

>

>

>

>

> From: " susan " thenaturalkitchen@...

> Date: Sun May 21, 2006 6:26am(PDT)

>

>

>Hello :

>

>Just wondering what you recommend for folks other than

> boxed soy milk for dairy intolerance.

>

Coconut milk blended with egg yolk. Delicious! Add a little nutmeg and it

tastes just like coconut egg nog.

Suze Fisher

Web Design and Development

http://www.allurecreative.com

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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[Guest guest]

Not sure if anyone sent you the link yet....

http://www.nutritionaltherapy.com/

This is VERY WAPF friendly. I will be starting this one in the fall.

Legal practicing with this degree just depends on which state/country

you are living in.

yowee, that turned into a long post, but anyhoo - i look forward to

resuming my search for degree programs that follow the wapf teaching,

where i can actually become " certified " . i think it would be a

great addition to my cooking practice, as i could be

considered 'qualified' to offer nutritional counseling.

and what a breath of fresh air it would be to have more nutrition

counselers in the world who recommend bone broths and kimchi!

i'm grateful that josephina brought it up, and also to haecklers and

others who have answered.

i'd like to find out about the courses that elaine, a wapf chapter

leader is following. i couldn't e-mail her through the link that was

posted. so, elaine if you're here, can you comment?

thanks so much, everyone, this is a great group.

~ susan

[Guest guest]

thanks renee - yes, i've been looking into it!

i'd probably not be able to start until sometime in 2007, but that

will be here before we know it... where are you based out of, to do

the on-site testing & seminars, and where will you practice once you

have the certification?

i hope it goes well for you!

~ susan

> Not sure if anyone sent you the link yet....

>

> http://www.nutritionaltherapy.com/

>

> This is VERY WAPF friendly. I will be starting this one in the fall.

> Legal practicing with this degree just depends on which state/country

> you are living in.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm really excited about this program. It seems great, plus it's one

of the cheaper ones out there. Could it get any better?

Do visit Sweden. Especially the northern and central part. I'm from

the area between our two " great " lakes. Belgium sounds like fun.

fina.

>

> first - thanks teresa for putting me in contact with elaine, and

>

> second - josephina, its the nutritional therapy program you

mentioned.

> she highly recommends it, she says she has learned so much.

>

> and yes, degrees do mean a lot, don't they. its the very reason my

> husband is completing a masters right now.

>

> we're in belgium until further notice (i have always wanted to

visit

> sweden, one of my best friends from childhood is swedish!)

>

> ~ susan

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm hoping MN is one of those states.

fina.

>

> Not sure if anyone sent you the link yet....

>

>

> http://www.nutritionaltherapy.com/

>

> This is VERY WAPF friendly. I will be starting this one in the

fall.

> Legal practicing with this degree just depends on which

state/country

> you are living in.

>

>

>

>

> yowee, that turned into a long post, but anyhoo - i look forward to

> resuming my search for degree programs that follow the wapf

teaching,

> where i can actually become " certified " . i think it would be a

> great addition to my cooking practice, as i could be

> considered 'qualified' to offer nutritional counseling.

>

> and what a breath of fresh air it would be to have more nutrition

> counselers in the world who recommend bone broths and kimchi!

>

> i'm grateful that josephina brought it up, and also to haecklers

and

> others who have answered.

> i'd like to find out about the courses that elaine, a wapf chapter

> leader is following. i couldn't e-mail her through the link that

was

> posted. so, elaine if you're here, can you comment?

>

> thanks so much, everyone, this is a great group.

>

> ~ susan

>

>

>

>

>

>