Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 I still do not have a clear distinction between paroxsymal Afib and SVT. I know there is a difference and I understand that Afib is a form of SVT by definition. But...where is the difference..when is SVT not Afib for example. Thanks, Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2003 Report Share Posted January 9, 2003 > > >I still do not have a clear distinction between paroxsymal Afib and SVT. I know there is a difference and I understand that Afib is a form of SVT by definition. But...where is the difference..when is SVT not Afib for example. > Dear Ken, As I understand the terminology, Superventricular Tachycardia (SVT) is different than A-Fib. The heart rate in SVT is usually regular, whereas A-Fib is very irregular. The two most common varieties of SVT are Atrioventricular (AV) nodal re-entrant tachycardia and atrioventricular re-entrant tachycardia. But both are effectively treated by RF catheter ablation. A-FibFriendSteve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 Steve, is the RF catheter ablation the same as a pva? Thanks, Ken Re: AFIB/SVT > > >I still do not have a clear distinction between paroxsymal Afib and SVT. I know there is a difference and I understand that Afib is a form of SVT by definition. But...where is the difference..when is SVT not Afib for example. > Dear Ken, As I understand the terminology, Superventricular Tachycardia (SVT) is different than A-Fib. The heart rate in SVT is usually regular, whereas A-Fib is very irregular. The two most common varieties of SVT are Atrioventricular (AV) nodal re-entrant tachycardia and atrioventricular re-entrant tachycardia. But both are effectively treated by RF catheter ablation. A-FibFriendSteve Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 I'm not an expert, but one shouldn't rule out parox AFIB if the heartbeat is regular. I think vice versa, when the heartbeat is very irregular, the chance that it is SVT is small. But I have a very regular heartbeat when in an episode , stupendously fast but regular, and it's parox AFIB...not SVT. Take care, Willem. >At 21:51 9-1-2003 -0800, a-fibfriend wrote: >Dear Ken, >As I understand the terminology, Superventricular Tachycardia (SVT) >is different than A-Fib. The heart rate in SVT is usually regular, >whereas A-Fib is very irregular. The two most common varieties of SVT >are Atrioventricular (AV) nodal re-entrant tachycardia and >atrioventricular re-entrant tachycardia. But both are effectively >treated by RF catheter ablation. >A-FibFriendSteve > > >>I still do not have a clear distinction between paroxsymal Afib and SVT. I know there is a >difference and I understand that Afib is a form of SVT by definition. But...where is the >difference..when is SVT not Afib for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Dear Ken, A Pulmonary Vein Ablation is a type of RF Catheter Ablation. A Catheter is used to ablate the Pulmonary Vein openings with RF energy. A-FibFriendSteve schw9883@... wrote: >Steve, is the RF catheter ablation the same as a pva? >Thanks, Ken > Re: AFIB/SVT > > > > > > > >I still do not have a clear distinction between paroxsymal Afib and SVT. I know there is a difference and I understand that Afib is a form of SVT by definition. But...where is the difference..when is SVT not Afib for example. > > > Dear Ken, > As I understand the terminology, Superventricular Tachycardia (SVT) > is different than A-Fib. The heart rate in SVT is usually regular, > whereas A-Fib is very irregular. The two most common varieties of SVT > are Atrioventricular (AV) nodal re-entrant tachycardia and > atrioventricular re-entrant tachycardia. But both SVT and A-Fib are effectively > treated by RF catheter ablation. > A-FibFriendSteve > > > > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport > FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm > For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af > Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 if your heart rate is regular when in afib how do you know you are having an afib episode vs. let's say flutter? Ken Re: AFIB/SVT Hi Victor, I've had this thing for over 12 years now and believe me, when in paroxysmal Afib my heartbeat is regular. It does vary...standing up/moving around will increase the bpm...sitting will decrease it. But apart from that it is very regular. And except for when in an episode my heartbeat is totally normal and no irregularities. Had a few ECGs and nothing ever showed up when in sinus. Lemme note here that for me it was never diagnosed. But a causin who has exactly the same thing, same symptoms, same triggers, same sensations ended up in ER...very fast bpm aswell..not noticably irregular...the monitor she was was on also showed a regular 220bpm as long as she didn't move. But according to the docs the ECG showed Afib nonetheless. take care, Willem At 19:56 14-1-2003 -0500, victor wrote: >I thought that by definition the hearbeat is irregular in AF. It may seem >regular to you but in AF it isn't. Perhaps as you get more experience you >will be able to detect the irregulatiry. >Victor wllem wrote: >> But I have a very regular heartbeat when in an >>episode , stupendously fast but regular, and it's parox AFIB...not SVT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 In a message dated 1/12/03 5:52:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, wsazooi@... writes: > I have a very regular heartbeat when in an > I thought that by definition the hearbeat is irregular in AF. It may seem regular to you but in AF it isn't. Perhaps as you get more experience you will be able to detect the irregulatiry. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Hi Victor, I've had this thing for over 12 years now and believe me, when in paroxysmal Afib my heartbeat is regular. It does vary...standing up/moving around will increase the bpm...sitting will decrease it. But apart from that it is very regular. And except for when in an episode my heartbeat is totally normal and no irregularities. Had a few ECGs and nothing ever showed up when in sinus. Lemme note here that for me it was never diagnosed. But a causin who has exactly the same thing, same symptoms, same triggers, same sensations ended up in ER...very fast bpm aswell..not noticably irregular...the monitor she was was on also showed a regular 220bpm as long as she didn't move. But according to the docs the ECG showed Afib nonetheless. take care, Willem At 19:56 14-1-2003 -0500, victor wrote: >I thought that by definition the hearbeat is irregular in AF. It may seem >regular to you but in AF it isn't. Perhaps as you get more experience you >will be able to detect the irregulatiry. >Victor wllem wrote: >> But I have a very regular heartbeat when in an >>episode , stupendously fast but regular, and it's parox AFIB...not SVT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 << Lemme note here that for me it was never diagnosed. But a causin who has exactly the same thing, same symptoms, same triggers, same sensations ended up in ER...very fast bpm aswell..not noticably irregular...the monitor she was was on also showed a regular 220bpm as long as she didn't move. But according to the docs the ECG showed Afib nonetheless. take care, Willem>> Hi Willem, are saying you've never been officially diagnosed with AFib? I know that it is true that AFib can look quite regular for periods of time but this is very much the exception rather than the rule. It's also possible to go from a sinus tachycardia into Atrial Flutter and into AFib. For you to have a regular rhythm the AV node must be passing impulses down to the ventricles at a regular pace, because AFib is so chaotic it's very unusual for the AV node to receive regular impulses. I'm not a Doctor but if your rate is ALWAYS regular and fast then another SVT is more likely to be the culprit. (like AV node re-entry or WPW). The SVT from Wolffe Parkinson White can be life-threatening so I can't stress enough that if you have not been officially diagnosed when you are having problems take yourself to a hospital then next time you have an episode. It's a real bad idea for you to assume you have the same thing as your cousin without under going some testing. -- D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Hi , Yep...never been diagnosed. I did have a load of ECGs, heart echos, holter minitor, and x-rays.(all while in normal sinus) and those all turned out ok...no strange things in the ECG when in sinus and no Anatomical faults. I could be wrong here but WPW can be diagnosed while in sinus aswell? As for the rythem, it isn't regular as in the general speed...1 minute it will be 200...the next it can go up to 240..but while the speed varies the beat itself is a steady thumb thumb thumb like a clock..and never noticably longer or shorter pauzes between them. I did always have my doubts between it being SVT or Afib. After that ER trip of my causin i lean towards Afib. I'm not sure about going to the ER, i hate hospitals in general, and after hearing the horror story from my cousin i'm even less likely to get myself there when i get an episode...but it would be the wise thing to do. The cardiologist i saw laughed in my face when i told him i was getting bpms of close to and sometime over 240...yay for the medical establisment...gggg. And of course they could have mis diagnosed my cousin, i'm not sure if there was a cariologist present there or if they were 'just' doctors with general knowledge. From what i can recall there are subtle differences in ECGs between various types of arrythmias...so who knows.. take care, Willem >Hi Willem, are saying you've never been officially diagnosed with AFib? >I know that it is true that AFib can look quite regular for periods of time >but this is very much the exception rather than the rule. It's also possible >to go from a sinus tachycardia into Atrial Flutter and into AFib. >For you to have a regular rhythm the AV node must be passing impulses down to >the ventricles at a regular pace, because AFib is so chaotic it's very >unusual for the AV node to receive regular impulses. > >I'm not a Doctor but if your rate is ALWAYS regular and fast then another SVT >is more likely to be the culprit. (like AV node re-entry or WPW). >The SVT from Wolffe Parkinson White can be life-threatening so I can't stress >enough that if you have not been officially diagnosed when you are having >problems take yourself to a hospital then next time you have an episode. It's >a real bad idea for you to assume you have the same thing as your cousin >without under going some testing. > >-- > D At 13:44 15-1-2003 +0000, willem wrote: << Lemme note here that for me it was never diagnosed. But a causin who has exactly the same thing, same symptoms, same triggers, same sensations ended up in ER...very fast bpm aswell..not noticably irregular...the monitor she was was on also showed a regular 220bpm as long as she didn't move. But according to the docs the ECG showed Afib nonetheless. take care, Willem>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Hi , For me it always strike from out of the blue... Nothing wrong...steady 60 bpm....and then bam...180-240 bpm. That's when i know i'm having an episode which i think is Afib. Apart from the speed the heart beat feels different aswell...compared to a normal fast rate...sorta like floppy fish inside chest....it's so powerfull i physically move with each beat...even other people can see it if they look closely. also see my reply to . take care, Willem At 09:02 14-1-2003 -0500, you wrote: >if your heart rate is regular when in afib how do you know you are having >an afib episode vs. let's say flutter? >Ken > >willem wrote: > I've had this thing for over 12 years now and believe me, when in > paroxysmal Afib my heartbeat is regular. > It does vary...standing up/moving around will increase the bpm...sitting > will decrease it. > But apart from that it is very regular. And except for when in an episode > my heartbeat is totally normal and no irregularities. > Had a few ECGs and nothing ever showed up when in sinus. > > Lemme note here that for me it was never diagnosed. But a causin > who has exactly the same thing, same symptoms, same triggers, > same sensations ended up in ER...very fast bpm aswell..not noticably > irregular...the monitor she was was on also showed a regular 220bpm > as long as she didn't move. > But according to the docs the ECG showed Afib nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Willam I can see you hate hospitals, so do I. But sometimes they are necessary. Can I suggest you get yourelf a good EP and ask for a King of Hearts monitor that you take home for a month or so. I take it you would probably have an episode once a month. If not... How long do your episodes last? If they are generally hours rather than minutes, then could you not go to ER or a Dr's surgery with an ECG and get a recording of what is happening. There are so many arrhythmias that you should really get it diagnosed properly. You don't need to do as they suggest. If it is AF then you are probably ok doing what you are doing. But you really should find out for sure. That way you will know what it is you are fighting and be able to make informed decisions about your best way forward. Let us know what you decide. Fran Re: AFIB/SVT > Hi , > > Yep...never been diagnosed. > I did have a load of ECGs, heart echos, holter minitor, and x-rays.(all while in > normal sinus) and those all turned out ok...no strange things in the ECG when > in sinus and no Anatomical faults. > I could be wrong here but WPW can be diagnosed while in sinus aswell? > As for the rythem, it isn't regular as in the general speed...1 minute it will be > 200...the next it can go up to 240..but while the speed varies the beat itself > is a steady thumb thumb thumb like a clock..and never noticably longer or > shorter pauzes between them. > > I did always have my doubts between it being SVT or Afib. After that > ER trip of my causin i lean towards Afib. > I'm not sure about going to the ER, i hate hospitals in general, and after > hearing the horror story from my cousin i'm even less likely to get myself > there when i get an episode...but it would be the wise thing to do. > The cardiologist i saw laughed in my face when i told him i was getting > bpms of close to and sometime over 240...yay for the medical > establisment...gggg. > And of course they could have mis diagnosed my cousin, i'm not > sure if there was a cariologist present there or if they were 'just' doctors > with general knowledge. From what i can recall there are subtle differences > in ECGs between various types of arrythmias...so who knows.. > > take care, > Willem > > > > >Hi Willem, are saying you've never been officially diagnosed with AFib? > >I know that it is true that AFib can look quite regular for periods of time > >but this is very much the exception rather than the rule. It's also possible > >to go from a sinus tachycardia into Atrial Flutter and into AFib. > >For you to have a regular rhythm the AV node must be passing impulses down to > >the ventricles at a regular pace, because AFib is so chaotic it's very > >unusual for the AV node to receive regular impulses. > > > >I'm not a Doctor but if your rate is ALWAYS regular and fast then another SVT > >is more likely to be the culprit. (like AV node re-entry or WPW). > >The SVT from Wolffe Parkinson White can be life-threatening so I can't stress > >enough that if you have not been officially diagnosed when you are having > >problems take yourself to a hospital then next time you have an episode. It's > >a real bad idea for you to assume you have the same thing as your cousin > >without under going some testing. > > > >-- > > D > > At 13:44 15-1-2003 +0000, willem wrote: > << > Lemme note here that for me it was never diagnosed. But a causin > who has exactly the same thing, same symptoms, same triggers, > same sensations ended up in ER...very fast bpm aswell..not noticably > irregular...the monitor she was was on also showed a regular 220bpm > as long as she didn't move. > But according to the docs the ECG showed Afib nonetheless. > > take care, > Willem>> > > > > > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport > FAQ - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm > For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af > Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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